Whorelocks unite(d)!

[Maleg]

Quit whining i beat you to it

one funny thing is a Warlock whine thread has turned into a Mentalist whine thread

bet mythic never saw that comeing

Nerf Thanes!

 

[Elitestoner]

lol mentalist is like a watered down sorcerer in every way possible. You got mezz? I got AE-mezz. You got a pet? I got a ML9 pet. You got crack3? I got crack4. You got DD209? Gosh me too! You can heal yourselves? LOL i heal myselves while doing damage. You got baselinestun? lol I got baseline mezz and baseline root. Oh and I got speed, dex/qui debuff, str/con debuff, amnesia, and my pet-charm dont cost mana. Oh wait I know! Mentalists got a baseline DoT... ah damn sorcs got that too. I got demezz in a worthless line! I got it in an useful line!

Seriously; the only thing a mentalist has over a sorc in essence is the baseline-stun; everything else the sorcerer has in a better way.

But guess what, Manisch is too dumb to comprehend all that and keeps making retarded topics about how OP the mentalist is. Grow a clue and stfu in the mean-time.

dammit someone nerfsorcs 209 dd lifetap!!1

 

[Dorin]

dammit someone nerfsorcs 209 dd lifetap!!1

puppet will explain that you have just said something silly and what he said is true.

/runs off for some popcorn

 

[Lcea]

Conveniently left out the fact that ments get Static tempest ;p

 

[Stunned]

puppet will explain that you have just said something silly and what he said is true.

/runs off for some popcorn

Well acctually he did since Puppet posted 209dd not lifetap.

 

[Dorin]

Well acctually he did since Puppet posted 209dd not lifetap.

hence my post

 

[Killerbee]

hence my post

Nah, you just post cause like to see your names :< Tbh, give answer on SG!

 

[Puppet]

dammit someone nerfsorcs 209 dd lifetap!!1

Well, I did say DD209 and sorcs can spec for that. And like everything else; sorcs spec for most their toys. But its not like sorcs need to gimp 'something' to get everything really. Contrary to mentalists btw; if they want the DD209 (which sorcs; dont get; but they get a faster casting DD179 lifetap with 5% dmg bonus baseline) and demezz; they got POM1 for example. If they want better POM; no demezz etc.

Sorc = mentalist on steroids; no two ways about it; hence why I found the whine about mentalist so silly coming from a sorc. And where menta gets conveniently ST; sorcs get Ichor, MOC-lafjtap, SoI etc. Sorcs are (imo) superiour to menta's in every way possible :O

 

[xenia-]

hi xenja,
fix your template cuz u hit like a little girl
: )

come over here and say that again

anyways unless im totally wrong you had to use an insta!11one (before guardzerg + merc beat me down)

and my temp rox! i hit fast at least

 

[Bhalage]

come over here and say that again

anyways unless im totally wrong you had to use an insta!11one (before guardzerg + merc beat me down)

and my temp rox! i hit fast at least

i hope its not a sin i used 1 isnta, dont know if u did see that but i was just teasing you running around and i let you hit me so it was on purpose...
well sorry for the guardzerg+that pally who was soo honorable to save my a**
i was solo and was just bored and i kept running here and there healing randomz and rezzing for the very strong rps.
: )
u hit very fast but dps is oO, i used to grp with skalds and those guys hit your damage*2(or *3 *4)
but you know what

forget this

 

[Shike]

lol mentalist is like a watered down sorcerer in every way possible. You got mezz? I got AE-mezz. You got a pet? I got a ML9 pet. You got crack3? I got crack4. You got DD209? Gosh me too! You can heal yourselves? LOL i heal myselves while doing damage. You got baselinestun? lol I got baseline mezz and baseline root. Oh and I got speed, dex/qui debuff, str/con debuff, amnesia, and my pet-charm dont cost mana. Oh wait I know! Mentalists got a baseline DoT... ah damn sorcs got that too. I got demezz in a worthless line! I got it in an useful line!

Seriously; the only thing a mentalist has over a sorc in essence is the baseline-stun; everything else the sorcerer has in a better way.

But guess what, Manisch is too dumb to comprehend all that and keeps making retarded topics about how OP the mentalist is. Grow a clue and stfu in the mean-time.

hahahahaha, best post you ever made I think

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

lol mentalist is like a watered down sorcerer in every way possible. You got mezz? I got AE-mezz. You got a pet? I got a ML9 pet. You got crack3? I got crack4. You got DD209? Gosh me too! You can heal yourselves? LOL i heal myselves while doing damage. You got baselinestun? lol I got baseline mezz and baseline root. Oh and I got speed, dex/qui debuff, str/con debuff, amnesia, and my pet-charm dont cost mana. Oh wait I know! Mentalists got a baseline DoT... ah damn sorcs got that too. I got demezz in a worthless line! I got it in an useful line!

Seriously; the only thing a mentalist has over a sorc in essence is the baseline-stun; everything else the sorcerer has in a better way.

But guess what, Manisch is too dumb to comprehend all that and keeps making retarded topics about how OP the mentalist is. Grow a clue and stfu in the mean-time.

Start playing the class before you talk about it. The pet charm costs mana.

Every form of sorc CC breaks upon initial damage. Unlike the stun.

Furthermore I was not saying Mentalists are overpowered and Sorcs suck, I am not even comparing them unlike you, my opinion is just that stun nukers are easy moders, you can ignore the opinion or live with that or scream like a baby like you do it now.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Its funny a sorc calling a Mentalist Easy Moder
tbh if your solo fighting a Mentalist and he gets a non insta cast spell off you fooked up.

No, I call all hib nukers and shroomers easy moders. Not a specific class. Lots of respect to other classes though.

And yeah, my OP Mind ROG sorc beats them all. Not.

 

[Bubble]

Start playing the class before you talk about it. The pet charm costs mana.

Funny stuff
Incase you didn't know (which i guess is the case) Mentalist Charm is a pulsing effect like a chant that costs Mana each tick = constant mana drain.

Every form of sorc CC breaks upon initial damage. Unlike the stun.

Furthermore I was not saying Mentalists are overpowered and Sorcs suck, I am not even comparing them unlike you, my opinion is just that stun nukers are easy moders, you can ignore the opinion or live with that or scream like a baby like you do it now.

So we don't have baseline stun.....we instead have Con debuffs, 2x dex debuffs, Convoker, AoE Mez and AoE root(+ a whole host of things i'll not bother mentioning), If anything i think they should give ments a massive boost. (give them back stt )

 

[Bubble]

No, I call all hib nukers and shroomers easy moders. Not a specific class. Lots of respect to other classes though.

And yeah, my OP Mind ROG sorc beats them all. Not.

Even if you cast at normal speeds theres no reason for you to lose, lets take you through a battle-

You win the mez due to having extra range.
While he's mezzed you Debuff his dex twice(spec and baseline dex debuffs) and then debuff his str/con.
You send you pet in and start lifetaping.
Even if he MoC's your still out damage him since his cast speed will be crapper than yours.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Funny stuff
Incase you didn't know (which i guess is the case) Mentalist Charm is a pulsing effect like a chant that costs Mana each tick = constant mana drain.

The spell costs mana. EOD.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

Even if you cast at normal speeds theres no reason for you to lose, lets take you through a battle-

You win the mez due to having extra range.
While he's mezzed you Debuff his dex twice(spec and baseline dex debuffs) and then debuff his str/con.
You send you pet in and start lifetaping.
Even if he MoC's your still out damage him since his cast speed will be crapper than yours.

Yes, it works in theory like this and if you manage to fight someone 1 vs 1 like this the outcome is kinda predetermined.

Then again I don't use any artifacts (yet), run with 4% casting speed and 333 dex when fully buffed, only MoC2, high Mind spec and I cba to get a new pet each time I die and I certainly don't double-triple-shot others.

I know the Sorc is a strong class but at least my opponents have a possibilty to do something about being attacked. Often not the case with stun. That's all about it from my point of view.

 

[Bubble]

The spell costs mana. EOD.

Really!?
What next Sorcs need a boost because there Self AF buffs cost mana?

 

[Bubble]

Yes, it works in theory like this and if you manage to fight someone 1 vs 1 like this the outcome is kinda predetermined.

Then again I don't use any artifacts (yet), run with 4% casting speed and 333 dex when fully buffed, only MoC2, high Mind spec and I cba to get a new pet each time I die and I certainly don't double-triple-shot others.

I know the Sorc is a strong class but at least my opponents have a possibilty to do something about being attacked. Often not the case with stun. That's all about it from my point of view.

But he killed loads of you solo
Did he catch you off guard with his uber mentalist speed

 

[Maleg]

The spell costs mana. EOD.

LOL, sorry one off mana cost to charm pet (that can't break charm) vs pulsing charm with constant mana drain (that can break charm). Only advantage pet wise is Mentalists can charm above level 50.

Sorry Manisch but you're debate here is laughable. I won't deny that Mentalists are a nice class - they are. However a Sorc is superior on multiple fronts and as I read it just because <you> can't be bothered to fix your spec or get decent equipment others are easy moders.

I hate shrooms, baseline stun on casters is annoying also but if you can't see / exploit the potential of a Sorc you should maybe quit or re-roll a warlock.

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

But he killed loads of you solo
Did he catch you off guard with his uber mentalist speed

Hmm... Dunno, he prolly killed me over and over again.

Then again some people kill me while I am going backwards on a bridge with triple sickness on or when I am busy watching some porn inside/outside a keep and afk.

One funny encounter I remember was me mezzing a bunch of hibs the day the albs had a keep there in Hibernia and then running away like a little girl cause the albs didn't attack. Moved back then under water only to see a healer healing next to the other side of a bridge (mids attacked albs and albs were busy) and I thought okay, mezz him (resisted), mezz him again (feedbacked) only to have that mentalist with his uber speed (guess they can sprint too) kill me from behind.

It's all good and stuff but stun-zzz-nuke-/rel-nuke certainly isn't. Kudos to Maeloch for using a mezz sometimes, very refreshing to be mezzed by a green con mezz .

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

LOL, sorry one off mana cost to charm pet (that can't break charm) vs pulsing charm with constant mana drain (that can break charm). Only advantage pet wise is Mentalists can charm above level 50.

Sorry Manisch but you're debate here is laughable. I won't deny that Mentalists are a nice class - they are. However a Sorc is superior on multiple fronts and as I read it just because <you> can't be bothered to fix your spec or get decent equipment others are easy moders.

I hate shrooms, baseline stun on casters is annoying also but if you can't see / exploit the potential of a Sorc you should maybe quit or re-roll a warlock.

Uh yeah, getting personal now, aren't we? Did I blame a particular player on sucking in the way he plays? Did I say Maeloch is a bad player? Do you take it so personal for me calling baseline stun easy mode? Relax, shrug and move on.

Each 10-15 minutes my Mind Sorc is on 50% mana while recracking 8 people and redoing buffs. My lifetap damage is so laughable compared to other specced people that I have to nuke more times and the 3 purple debuffs I have use a lot of mana too. I run with a lot of potions and red con crack and a mana charge on a staff. So don't tell me anything about Sorcs and mana issues, when I die I need mana to recharm my pet. Don't know if Mentalists have the same problems as a Mind Sorc but the argument Sorc pet charm doesn't cost mana is superficial if you check the mana use of a Mind Sorc a bit deeper.

I will not go into the comparison of Mentalist to Sorc fully, never played a Mentalist to 50, never RvR'ed with one, but on paper it looks like a caster with less utility than a Sorc.

My intermediate template is about fine for now with decent items, thank you for your offer to help by suggesting to get all the stuff I need to beat a fully ToA'ed RR10 caster. I'll get the remaining arties and scrolls when I am not busy with actually playing the game and when I can get some people to help me with them and actually I want to hit RR5 w/o any artifact activated.

If you think it is a problem for me or for someone else to make a caster with a frontload damage that takes others out in 2-3 spells then it's not my fucking fault. I actually like to play the game a different way and in my opinion the probability of survival in this game should be vastly increased to allow way longer fights than stun-nuke-nuke. I never compared a Sorc with other classes and I never whined about my class not being able to do this and this to kill this and this.

And FYI I don't RvR for long, since February 2005 maybe but that has nothing to do with the common sense I use to see base line stun as overpowered and easy mode in certain situations (especially in siege taking and 1 vs 1).

The game has a lot of good sides and some serious issues, base line stun is one of the serious issues.

As for the decent items comment, how about you go to Molvik as a caster and try to survive an Eld at Level 35 stunning you and one shooting you for around 600 damage. Try to get your CB with stun feedback there. Easy mode.

 

[Bubble]

LOL, sorry one off mana cost to charm pet (that can't break charm) vs pulsing charm with constant mana drain (that can break charm). Only advantage pet wise is Mentalists can charm above level 50.

Sorry Manisch but you're debate here is laughable. I won't deny that Mentalists are a nice class - they are. However a Sorc is superior on multiple fronts and as I read it just because <you> can't be bothered to fix your spec or get decent equipment others are easy moders.

I hate shrooms, baseline stun on casters is annoying also but if you can't see / exploit the potential of a Sorc you should maybe quit or re-roll a warlock.

Bonedancer is more simple tbh
Nerf Mentalist Speed

 

[Bubble]

Each 10-15 minutes my Mind Sorc is on 50% mana while recracking 8 people and redoing buffs. My lifetap damage is so laughable compared to other specced people that I have to nuke more times and the 3 purple debuffs I have use a lot of mana too. I run with a lot of potions and red con crack and a mana charge on a staff. So don't tell me anything about Sorcs and mana issues, when I die I need mana to recharm my pet. Don't know if Mentalists have the same problems as a Mind Sorc but the argument Sorc pet charm doesn't cost mana is superficial if you check the mana use of a Mind Sorc a bit deeper.

more like 25% Mana to rebuff 5 or 6 people. Your lifetap damage is laughable because its a baseline spell and i guess your not ToAed, got passive RAs, got 51 modifyed Body, fix these problems and your damage will go up. This will also help your mana issues. When you die your pet go's back to its spawn point and you rebuff next to a FoP in castle sauvage, no mana problems here. Sorc pets cost very little mana compaired to a Mentalist pet etc.

If you think it is a problem for me or for someone else to make a caster with a frontload damage that takes others out in 2-3 spells then it's not my fucking fault. I actually like to play the game a different way and in my opinion the probability of survival in this game should be vastly increased to allow way longer fights than stun-nuke-nuke. I never compared a Sorc with other classes and I never whined about my class not being able to do this and this to kill this and this.

If you wanted frontload damage, respec your sorc to Body or even get ToAed A firewizard/theurgist/Cabbie would be a better class to play.

The game has a lot of good sides and some serious issues, base line stun is one of the serious issues.

And seriously unbalance the game? are you so nearsighted to not see that albion more than makes up for this (same with midgard)

As for the decent items comment, how about you go to Molvik as a caster and try to survive an Eld at Level 35 stunning you and one shooting you for around 600 damage. Try to get your CB with stun feedback there. Easy mode.

Playgrounds discussions belong in another forum, hows a Mentalist supose to stop a Wizard from Oneshoting him?

 

[Belomar]

This Manisch guy is outputting a lot of crap, I'm impressed!

 

[Aragyn]

One funny encounter I remember was me mezzing a bunch of hibs the day the albs had a keep there in Hibernia and then running away like a little girl cause the albs didn't attack. Moved back then under water only to see a healer healing next to the other side of a bridge (mids attacked albs and albs were busy) and I thought okay, mezz him (resisted), mezz him again (feedbacked) only to have that mentalist with his uber speed (guess they can sprint too) kill me from behind.

First, when you came, both you and him were alone under the bridge? If so you should be able to kill him without mezzing him, as im thinking you were now going to mezz, then nuke? And any caster that gets the jump will win most of the time, if you were to jump the ment you would stand a good chance of killing him...

Each 10-15 minutes my Mind Sorc is on 50% mana while recracking 8 people and redoing buffs. My lifetap damage is so laughable compared to other specced people that I have to nuke more times and the 3 purple debuffs I have use a lot of mana too. I run with a lot of potions and red con crack and a mana charge on a staff. So don't tell me anything about Sorcs and mana issues, when I die I need mana to recharm my pet. Don't know if Mentalists have the same problems as a Mind Sorc but the argument Sorc pet charm doesn't cost mana is superficial if you check the mana use of a Mind Sorc a bit deeper.

Hmm? Havent you got focuses on your staff? Do the same on my sorc, and dont lose that much power, also you should think about getting some mcl, even just mcl1 helps alot as it's up all the time Additionally tart helps alot, esspesially after a rezz in combat for example when mcl is down (or unusable because of combat), but as your not going to get that...

Ohh, and nerf warlocks :/

 

[Shike]

Uh yeah, getting personal now, aren't we? Did I blame a particular player on sucking in the way he plays? Did I say Maeloch is a bad player? Do you take it so personal for me calling baseline stun easy mode? Relax, shrug and move on.

Each 10-15 minutes my Mind Sorc is on 50% mana while recracking 8 people and redoing buffs. My lifetap damage is so laughable compared to other specced people that I have to nuke more times and the 3 purple debuffs I have use a lot of mana too. I run with a lot of potions and red con crack and a mana charge on a staff. So don't tell me anything about Sorcs and mana issues, when I die I need mana to recharm my pet. Don't know if Mentalists have the same problems as a Mind Sorc but the argument Sorc pet charm doesn't cost mana is superficial if you check the mana use of a Mind Sorc a bit deeper.

I will not go into the comparison of Mentalist to Sorc fully, never played a Mentalist to 50, never RvR'ed with one, but on paper it looks like a caster with less utility than a Sorc.

My intermediate template is about fine for now with decent items, thank you for your offer to help by suggesting to get all the stuff I need to beat a fully ToA'ed RR10 caster. I'll get the remaining arties and scrolls when I am not busy with actually playing the game and when I can get some people to help me with them and actually I want to hit RR5 w/o any artifact activated.

If you think it is a problem for me or for someone else to make a caster with a frontload damage that takes others out in 2-3 spells then it's not my fucking fault. I actually like to play the game a different way and in my opinion the probability of survival in this game should be vastly increased to allow way longer fights than stun-nuke-nuke. I never compared a Sorc with other classes and I never whined about my class not being able to do this and this to kill this and this.

And FYI I don't RvR for long, since February 2005 maybe but that has nothing to do with the common sense I use to see base line stun as overpowered and easy mode in certain situations (especially in siege taking and 1 vs 1).

The game has a lot of good sides and some serious issues, base line stun is one of the serious issues.

As for the decent items comment, how about you go to Molvik as a caster and try to survive an Eld at Level 35 stunning you and one shooting you for around 600 damage. Try to get your CB with stun feedback there. Easy mode.

baselinestun is nice sure, but tbh, if you are a sorc and loose vs a mentalist, you are doing something seriosly wrong or you simply got jumped.

Mez on crazyrange, debuff and just pet+LTs and you should win pretty easy. If Menta catch you offguard and stun then you have about 2 seconds to react and purge2+moc and LT him to hell before you die. If you lack purge2 then you die, if you lack moc you die. And same goes for the Menta if Sorc get jump..

Sorc overall is a helluvalot better caster than Menta overall. SoI, debuffs, LT, Convoker, speed, root, mez.. etc.. if you suck as sorc.. no caster will be good in your hands tbh.

and 333 dex.. my wifes cleric have 323 dex buffed without any aug dex, that kinda says how shit your stats are.

 

[Killerbee]

my opinion is just that stun nukers are easy moders

Happy to hear that my cleric is easy moder!

 

[Killerbee]

my wifes cleric have 323 dex buffed without any aug dex, that kinda says how shit your stats are.

How, how? Guess she isnt a highlander with 0 +dex at start then :< Have 343 dex with ad4 :<

 

[Maleg]

How, how? Guess she isnt a highlander with 0 +dex at start then :< Have 343 dex with ad4 :<

Celt with +10 dex at creation and semi decent TOA +dex