whine

[censi]

SOM will proc a hell of a lot more on a ranger than an assasin for the simple fact you will evade a lot more.

mind u if u get 9 procs thats like 1800 extra HP so yer expect to loose.

I counted 15 som procs against papasan once though

it does kind of work both ways its just when its YOUR som working well for you, you tend not to give a shit about it!

 

[illu]

The fact is that Rangers will 95% win 1 run every time their timers are up (every 10-15mins). You have to get them in the 5 min WH cool off period

I don't expect to win most fights against Rangers that can see me 10 minutes before I see them, who you hit back with damage like they have SoI up, and just when you think you are going to win they IP

Just poison the hell out of them, pray for some lucky stuns, poisonspike, and pray SoM doesn't chain proc :>

Oli - Illu

 

[Ahtlehson]

Ye ye, and delete all the artifacts anyways.

Or i got an idea.. DELETE WHOLE ToA!

Mate, your whining. You think it will help ANYTHING? I mean anything.. It will just make people laugh at you, you silly little whining loser.

PS: Dont take me seriously. -.-

 

[censi]

The fact is that Rangers will 95% win 1 run every time their timers are up (every 10-15mins). You have to get them in the 5 min WH cool off period

I don't expect to win most fights against Rangers that can see me 10 minutes before I see them, who you hit back with damage like they have SoI up, and just when you think you are going to win they IP

Just poison the hell out of them, pray for some lucky stuns, poisonspike, and pray SoM doesn't chain proc :>

that really is naive. as an SB u get Phebus and SOM and access to malice and battler. So item timers are the same. You get dot spike every fight, and you can keep the ranger perma debuffed and perma lifebained with say viper 2-3 for added pwn. Peeps talk about IP but those hits you get from that once every 15 mins can be taking off so fast.

Your a decent SB oli but you shouldnt be struggling with rangers at your RR. For me at the moment Eul is setting the standards on being a pipe hitting mofo SB. That guy has ripped me a new arsehole on many occasions and he does it because he knows how to reapply and packs viper. Its scary how quickly you go down to an assasin that keeps your lifebained and debuffed sometimes.

The key factor in victory over an assaisn for me is all about what they do when I purge. If they dont reapply I can stonk them hard and reasonably consistently and suddenly without viper'd lifebain ticking on me and my PD I find I might even outdamage them. Thats in the hands of the SB though its just 90% dont reapply.

 

[Lethul]

The key factor in victory over an assaisn for me is all about what they do when I purge. If they dont reapply I can stonk them hard and reasonably consistently and suddenly without viper'd lifebain ticking on me and my PD I find I might even outdamage them. Thats in the hands of the SB though its just 90% dont reapply.

and sometimes you lose to assassins with low envenom spec who dont reapply nor have viper , KAPOW

 

[illu]

that really is naive. as an SB u get Phebus and SOM and access to malice and battler. So item timers are the same. You get dot spike every fight, and you can keep the ranger perma debuffed and perma lifebained with say viper 2-3 for added pwn. Peeps talk about IP but those hits you get from that once every 15 mins can be taking off so fast.

Your a decent SB oli but you shouldnt be struggling with rangers at your RR. For me at the moment Eul is setting the standards on being a pipe hitting mofo SB. That guy has ripped me a new arsehole on many occasions and he does it because he knows how to reapply and packs viper. Its scary how quickly you go down to an assasin that keeps your lifebained and debuffed sometimes.

The key factor in victory over an assaisn for me is all about what they do when I purge. If they dont reapply I can stonk them hard and reasonably consistently and suddenly without viper'd lifebain ticking on me and my PD I find I might even outdamage them. Thats in the hands of the SB though its just 90% dont reapply.

I re-apply everything when people purge :> They get another dose of poison and more ws/con on them usually, but I only have viper1 because I don't like to rely on one ability when I fight assassins a lot and remedy negates it in one fell swoop :> Viper3 is lovely, but 30 points is extremely painful.

And yes, SB's get timered abilities, but at the end of the day, if a melee Ranger hits the SB first (and with MoS3-5 they usually do), and we lose the PA+CD advantage, I would say most fights the Ranger will win unless the SB has PH up and he plays extremely well.

Oli - Illu

 

[censi]

And yes, SB's get timered abilities, but at the end of the day, if a melee Ranger hits the SB first (and with MoS3-5 they usually do), and we lose the PA+CD advantage, I would say most fights the Ranger will win unless the SB has PH up and he plays extremely well.

first off its one hell of a poor statement to say most fights the ranger will win if he hits the shadowblade first. In the list of factors which determine outcome that possibly wouldnt even make the top twenty (unless you elaborate and say if the ranger ice storm chains you first then it makes the top 5 maybe).

If you dont like the idea of not getting the jump versus rangers you can go higher MOS. It is viable but it costs you and its worthless versus other assasins. So you make your choice and your live with the outcome.

I take my primary spec line (bow down to zero) to be competative with assasins so maybe you can spend and extra 6 or 10 (?) points for mos3. It will help you if your concerned about the jump (you wont be concerned enough to spend the points but you will be concerned enough to use it as a reason for death)

Most of the factors are about timers to be honest and how often the assasin evades. So you have roughly a 25% chance to evade so thats 1 in 4. Sometimes I fight an assasin and like he evades like 4 on the trot etc, whereas I will sux up everysingle shot (7% evade). But I find versus every assasin I fight Im getting more timers used on me than Im burning. Ice storm openers are my trade mark I always open them and pull of some stonkers (sometimes). I find a MASSIVE amount of assasins pack purge 3 and insta purge it which heavily disrupts completing the chain for a few different reasons (ws debuff, evade potential, and movement). After than I find myself debuffed and lifebained and now we are in a battle or raw damage. In theory I should get out damaged by the SB. WS debuff imo is a tad OP, you tend to hit like a wet lettuce with it up and you miss and get evaded one hell of a lot more with it one. Ill need to purge or i could find myself burning IP or FZ and still getting pwned due to crap damage. So purge sooner rather than later = good idea (maybe). So I l'll blow purge and try and outgun the assasin. Now Im ripe for a evade chain stun (and you will evade ffs) so 7 seconds of getting pummelled at some point and I should in theory be re-debuffed and re-lifebained by now. back to square 1 versus competent assasin. So basically ill fallback on IP or FZ and prolly that will get me through with high PD. But SB can also dump PS on me which I gotta eat in its entirety. so its not really even that clear cut.

I find fights with good assasins for me can really go either way but the contributing factors is what happens when I purge. one thing is though the assains basically gets 1700 points of damage on me that I cant avoid (roughly) 400 hits from con loss maybe another 100 from malice (not counting that though). At least 800 from being perma bained with some viper and 500 from the DOT (dont dot before I purge). If the assasin isnt stupid I cant avoid that damage. So you think really how many times he has to actually hit me to take me down.

Assasins damage output with lifebain and viper is sick imo. you can harp on about melee rangers which are good assasin killers with timers but assasins will definetly be the fotm stealther for the remainder of the game if things stay as they are. They just own. If they didnt peeps wouldn't play them so heavily.

 

[Kaun_IA]

remove som , remove malice

HOW THE FUCK IS IT POSSIBLE TO LOSE TO AN RR4 RANGER AS RR9 sb

my som procs once in a fight and i go like LOL IT PROCCED OMG ! and his som procs 9 fucking times !?!? what kind of sense does that make.



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tyvm

seems the random proc generator doesnt like u....

nothing illegal here.. u can use them both.. if u dont.. ur choise

 

[Kaun_IA]

and to the asssins who whine about IP on ranger.... use disease poison u noobs i doesnt cancel ip out but its like 30% hp returned instead of the 60% odd or something... cant remember havent played my ranger of doom for a long time
only a few out there do it and it kills a noob melee ranger EASY

 

[Goku]

and to the asssins who whine about IP on ranger.... use disease poison u noobs i doesnt cancel ip out but its like 30% hp returned instead of the 60% odd or something... cant remember havent played my ranger of doom for a long time
only a few out there do it and it kills a noob melee ranger EASY

lol

 

[censi]

and to the asssins who whine about IP on ranger.... use disease poison u noobs i doesnt cancel ip out but its like 30% hp returned instead of the 60% odd or something... cant remember havent played my ranger of doom for a long time
only a few out there do it and it kills a noob melee ranger EASY

shhh ffs

 

[Raven]

bit like swinging an LW at an assasin that evades 10+ in a row, piss annoying but there is nothing you can do about it, crappy mythic random number mechanics. swings and round abouts, the next time i fight them i could parry 10 in a row etc

 

[Jeffery]

LOL aye .. som is bollox and traitors dagger ...

Got a ranger on 10% hp then im out of end .. so hes standin there im hitting with no end .. SOM proc .. .. hit him again .. SOM proc .. hit him again SOM proc .. hit him again SOM proc. . hit him again SOM proc ... by this time im on 50 % hp from him just softly tapping me cause of SOM PROC !!

Traitors dagger ... aw this is classic .. i find it hard for this to proc once wen i use it on my mincer .. proc'd 4 times in a row against a warden zzzzz ..

malice ?!?! .. well get a malice and a attack speed decrease poison on u and u may aswell just run around unbuffed cause ur ganna hit as slow as a 2 H troll with no dex buffs and no dex RA's and no stats in dex at the start

 

[Kaun_IA]

malice ?!?! .. well get a malice and a attack speed decrease poison on u and u may aswell just run around unbuffed cause ur ganna hit as slow as a 2 H troll with no dex buffs and no dex RA's and no stats in dex at the start

think u mean quick.... dex does not affect swingspeed

 

[Varna]

If you delete SoM you'll loose the melee speed though.

 

[censi]

and he was doing so well...

 

[Varna]

I think wetherspoons single handidly made Magners the 'choice' summer drink this year.

 

[Eredrin]

and to the asssins who whine about IP on ranger.... use disease poison u noobs i doesnt cancel ip out but its like 30% hp returned instead of the 60% odd or something... cant remember havent played my ranger of doom for a long time
only a few out there do it and it kills a noob melee ranger EASY

quite a long time since disease stopped working vs IP, tho the con debuff/malice debuff makes you regain alot less hits

 

[GrIrcSpammer]

ah, fresh d3f1 whine. so refreshing!

d3f1: you wanna marry me!? ingame ofc

ofc ! :E irl too !

 

[censi]

quite a long time since disease stopped working vs IP, tho the con debuff/malice debuff makes you regain alot less hits

shh ffs

 

[pip]

I think wetherspoons single handidly made Magners the 'choice' summer drink this year.

Expensive cider that stuff, but nice when glass is full of ice

 

[Raven]

its ok as far as cider goes but one swig reminds me of hanging around park benches with a 3 litre bottle it.

 

[pip]

its ok as far as cider goes but one swig reminds me of hanging around park benches with a 3 litre bottle it.

Lol the poor can't afford that stuff, you thinking of whitelightening battery acid uke:

 

[AmeinoN]

sinerthe re.

 

[Kaun_IA]

quite a long time since disease stopped working vs IP, tho the con debuff/malice debuff makes you regain alot less hits

mhm

ok, then that valk i fought had ip1 then couse i used disease whit my VW on him and he ip only lil bit of health

 

[Huntingtons]

HOW THE FUCK IS IT POSSIBLE TO LOSE TO AN RR4 RANGER AS RR9 sb

LOL ITS CALLED SKILLS MATE!

 

[Samaroon|Terracotta]

and to the asssins who whine about IP on ranger.... use disease poison u noobs i doesnt cancel ip out but its like 30% hp returned instead of the 60% odd or something... cant remember havent played my ranger of doom for a long time
only a few out there do it and it kills a noob melee ranger EASY

Disease doesn't cancel out half of IP anymore like it did in OF...

Sorreh if its already been said xE

 

[Glorien]

 

[Gamah]

remove som , remove malice

HOW THE FUCK IS IT POSSIBLE TO LOSE TO AN RR4 RANGER AS RR9 sb

my som procs once in a fight and i go like LOL IT PROCCED OMG ! and his som procs 9 fucking times !?!? what kind of sense does that make.



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tyvm

I think your lack of skill is probably a bigger factor than som.

 

[Spetsnaz]

I think your lack of skill is probably a bigger factor than som.

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