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Anu

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allways wanted to say OLD.. cos it is.. get over it etc.

Nerf something..
 
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Xray

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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
1) there was 2fgs of LA there. why the hell do you actually think i would bother to note the level of every person in both groups? yellow con, class needed, done. stupid? with over 100 people waiting for my instructions during the attack/lotto and everything else.. yes, thats really gonna be first thing on my mind.

2) the point is similar and explains my feelings on the matter. it is relevant. please re-read if you did not understand.

3) redo the lotto - as in, if there WAS a mistake made, i would not have put forward the time to rectify it - even if the situation was reversed.

4) understand and remember the chaos the original lottos were in, and the lack of control over each individual one.. you think you are the only one with some complaint?
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1) Well both you and fest agreed that he was in yr group, not simply in a LA group. Since most people are lvl 50 in LA, i really would have thought that you'd remember someone in yr own group that wasn't lvl 50.

2) As for you being cheated by Censi. I really do think that's a little different, atleast Censi had the integrity to stick by his Raid Rules. I think that it does sound unfair and i do feel a bit sorry for you. But you knew those rules before the Raid started and you knew that you would not be allowed to lotto. It may have been unfair, but i don’t think you were cheated.
A week or so after the Dragon Raid you posted your new Raid Rules. And at a time when other Raid organisers were allowing lvl 49 to lotto for MP, you stuck by yr lvl 50 only rule. You said that if you didn’t agree with the Rules then don’t come on the Raid. Trouble is that I did agree with the rules, but you saw fit to bend your rules in order to benefit one of your guildmates.

3) Ok so it was utterly pointless of me to contact you after the event, because you would have done nothing about it anyway. The only thing I’m still a little unclear about is whether or not you knew that Fest’s Druid was not lvl 50 b4 the lotto. My hunch is you probably did and you told him to log his Champ for the lotto, knowing that he’d probably ding 50 in the next day or so. Indeed he did and in fact I was in his group in DF when he ding’ed. I guess you were just very unlucky that one of the 4 others in the lotto CG happened to group with him the next day. Otherwise we would have been none the wiser.

4) So how many other people have you cheated? And are you just referring to the respec stones or other drops as well?
 
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old.Tzeentch

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Originally posted by Xray
1) Well both you and fest agreed that he was in yr group, not simply in a LA group. Since most people are lvl 50 in LA, i really would have thought that you'd remember someone in yr own group that wasn't lvl 50.

2) As for you being cheated by Censi. I really do think that's a little different, atleast Censi had the integrity to stick by his Raid Rules. I think that it does sound unfair and i do feel a bit sorry for you. But you knew those rules before the Raid started and you knew that you would not be allowed to lotto. It may have been unfair, but i don’t think you were cheated.
A week or so after the Dragon Raid you posted your new Raid Rules. And at a time when other Raid organisers were allowing lvl 49 to lotto for MP, you stuck by yr lvl 50 only rule. You said that if you didn’t agree with the Rules then don’t come on the Raid. Trouble is that I did agree with the rules, but you saw fit to bend your rules in order to benefit one of your guildmates.

3) Ok so it was utterly pointless of me to contact you after the event, because you would have done nothing about it anyway. The only thing I’m still a little unclear about is whether or not you knew that Fest’s Druid was not lvl 50 b4 the lotto. My hunch is you probably did and you told him to log his Champ for the lotto, knowing that he’d probably ding 50 in the next day or so. Indeed he did and in fact I was in his group in DF when he ding’ed. I guess you were just very unlucky that one of the 4 others in the lotto CG happened to group with him the next day. Otherwise we would have been none the wiser.

4) So how many other people have you cheated? And are you just referring to the respec stones or other drops as well?
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1) incorrect and no, why would i ? explained already.

2) i called the new dragon raid rules after the 3rd week, i did not bend anything, i was simply not aware.

3) slander again, no, im not like that.

4) as above.
 
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censi

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i remember full well being 'cheated' (imo) out of a bard vest from legion on censi's raid.. since at lvl 49 i was rr6.2, and some guy who was rr 2? and could not use the full potential of the vest, i was not allowed to lotto for it, and he was, even tho we both equally could not use it to its maximum potential
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I just used simple rules that everyone on the server knew. No lotting for alts. lvl 50's for lvl 51 drops. (the rr2 guy was lvl 50 :) )

You can only feel cheated if the pre-defeined rules werent adhered to imo. I guessing thats why Xray is upset.


Nowadays you have it much better. Old xfear goes to extra special efforts and keeps point score for people on his raids. I am far to lazy for all that stuff.

I do kinda feel responsible for making free for all raids a standard though on hibernia. b4 those old ffa legion raids half the good stuff used to just disapear, and you got a scalding if you dared to ask where item XXX had gone... After going on a raid where everyone had the same chance of getting an item no matter who you were, people were alot more reluctant to go on a raid where they knew chances are, they would get bugger all. I made lots of mistakes along the way but I always tried to be fair. (with maybe the odd indiscreation along the way :) )
 
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Xray

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Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
1) incorrect and no, why would i ? explained already.

2) i called the new dragon raid rules after the 3rd week, i did not bend anything, i was simply not aware.

3) slander again, no, im not like that.

4) as above.
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Ok, to be perfectly honest i actually believe you. Running a large Raid must be enourmously stressful and extremly hard to keep track of everything that's going on. In retrospect i do not actually think that you deliberately set out to cheat me, as i suggested in point number 3. And i apologise for bad mouthing your good name. Likewise with point 4, i was merely trying to get a rise out of you. As ever you have proved to be remarkably mature and merely rise above my childishness. I suppose ultimately my grieveance is with Fest. Afterall he was the one that went out of his way to make sure he could lotto.
But I am still utterly confounded as to how you could condone his cheating in the bare light of day, when you knew all the facts. Ok, redoing the lotto would have been a hasle. But dont you see the double standards here?
 
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old.Tzeentch

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Originally posted by Xray
Ok, to be perfectly honest i actually believe you. Running a large Raid must be enourmously stressful and extremly hard to keep track of everything that's going on. In retrospect i do not actually think that you deliberately set out to cheat me, as i suggested in point number 3. And i apologise for bad mouthing your good name. Likewise with point 4, i was merely trying to get a rise out of you. As ever you have proved to be remarkably mature and merely rise above my childishness. I suppose ultimately my grieveance is with Fest. Afterall he was the one that went out of his way to make sure he could lotto.
But I am still utterly confounded as to how you could condone his cheating in the bare light of day, when you knew all the facts. Ok, redoing the lotto would have been a hasle. But dont you see the double standards here?
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I know and understand what you mean.. and I see your view perfectly.. but there is/was.. no clear method to address a problem like this.. it would only be done as a mess as I went along if I tried to solve it later.

I do not condone cheating in any way or form.. but I would not also bad mouth a fellow guild member (former now), in public.. unless it's on irc ;p

Do I think it's bad what happened.. ? Yes.. I do.

Believe me, if I actually thought there was a way it could have been solved properly I would have taken that route..
 
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lauranthas

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I havent EVER won a lotto, including them old df raids :´(
 
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old.Nol

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Just to let people know how mad and stressfull some the bigger raids can be. On the weekly midgard raids I often end up stuck to Amadon who drags me around from keep to keep while I type shit in /cg. I have no idea who's in my group, I have no idea who was in it, who got replaced, who ld'd etc.

I do, however, have several notepads on my desk, I can tell you who has rams, seige engines, who is the GL of which group, which group doesn't have a claimed keep. Where any one of several groups is at any given time(but my own). Which Mid guild owns which keep, and what level it's upgraded too, How many mid groups are on their way to defend. What is the status of the amg, the mmg and dagda...and more seemingly irrelevant info.

So I can understand exactly what saadyst means when he says he has no clue about his group.
 
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Ensceptifica

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Originally posted by old.Nol
Just to let people know how mad and stressfull some the bigger raids can be. On the weekly midgard raids I often end up stuck to Amadon who drags me around from keep to keep while I type shit in /cg. I have no idea who's in my group, I have no idea who was in it, who got replaced, who ld'd etc.

I do, however, have several notepads on my desk, I can tell you who has rams, seige engines, who is the GL of which group, which group doesn't have a claimed keep. Where any one of several groups is at any given time(but my own). Which Mid guild owns which keep, and what level it's upgraded too, How many mid groups are on their way to defend. What is the status of the amg, the mmg and dagda...and more seemingly irrelevant info.

So I can understand exactly what saadyst means when he says he has no clue about his group.
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Hehe I remember going on a raid lead by you, and I ended up leading it, sticking to your plans and directions, while you were sat in some distant keep by yourself with your notes ( ; I think it's crucial that you have some people in a raid that you can rely on to support you, because I know it's a lot of work to keep everyone sharp, patient and happy.
 
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old.Nol

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Originally posted by Ensceptifica
Hehe I remember going on a raid lead by you, and I ended up leading it, sticking to your plans and directions, while you were sat in some distant keep by yourself with your notes ( ; I think it's crucial that you have some people in a raid that you can rely on to support you, because I know it's a lot of work to keep everyone sharp, patient and happy.
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:D

and a free week to motivate people, build momentum and start the war of attrition...
 
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-Lillo-

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I got a phosphorescent bracer. what's ur offer? :p
 
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Moön

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I roled a 16 and walked away with a Verdant Sword lol, /salute Xfear :D
 
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