Which religion do you belong to?

[Outlander]

Could explain why people get murdered/killed or die in so many pointless way.

nah thats not god thats just stupid people

 

[Rediknight]

or maybe even enlightened people, who have already seen the futility of life, and the endless persuit of an unachievable goal...

goths, for short

not the hawt little goth chicks, they're alright, but those mopey buggers...

 

[Outlander]

sexy goth chicks are right up there with sexy asian chicks for me (2nd and 3rd after Ez ofc ofc )

 

[old.Tohtori]

where are the norse gods of ownage?

Well, for the Finnish, Turisas(can be decribed as a seamonster much like a huge squid) was often the god of war as the poisoned projectiles Turisas provided often changed the tide of war for the Finnish since they had a line of fortresses on the shores of Finland.

Turisas is often compared to Týr also, who was the god of justice(and for it to be), who for the scandic was a common god of war as they saw that injustice was brought on to them.

Turisas has also been referred to the B(|3]urs giants, who are pronounced much like Turisas. The Burs are demonic giants.

So...it's easy to say...that my god of pwnage is Turisas

Oh and Odin is also considered to be of a bad-ass at times.

 

[Ormorof]

Sods law when I die I'll end up getting port lag...

lol


aslo on the point about being forced to learn about religions surely that depends on where you learnt it and from who?

(ie you might resent being forced to go to sunday school or something, but if you learnt about different religions from an ace teacher at school you might have a better view of your learning than if you learnt it from say a heavily biased teacher)

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh yeah, about "forced" religion learning in school...did i forget to mention my teacher was a serious case of TILF?

 

[Naetha]

Well, for the Finnish, Turisas(can be decribed as a seamonster much like a huge squid) was often the god of war as the poisoned projectiles Turisas provided often changed the tide of war for the Finnish since they had a line of fortresses on the shores of Finland.

Turisas is often compared to Týr also, who was the god of justice(and for it to be), who for the scandic was a common god of war as they saw that injustice was brought on to them.

Turisas has also been referred to the B(|3]urs giants, who are pronounced much like Turisas. The Burs are demonic giants.

So...it's easy to say...that my god of pwnage is Turisas

Oh and Odin is also considered to be of a bad-ass at times.

Wonder if thats got anything to do with the Mid champ weapons being called Thurisaz?

 

[noblok]

off to school? dude, i thought you were like a 40yr old man

Not even half that age, 18 and following first bachelor in philosophy.

Can't believe I actually had to check which year we're in to calculate how old I am .

 

[Conchabar]

I don't think I agree with that either. As I think that morale is still possible without a god and that the morale in religion is nothing but the expression of a morale which was already generally accepted.

rubbish, apsolute rubbish, man would never of survived if religion had never happened.

 

[noblok]

Religion didn't stop wars from happening. Religion was even used as an excuse to start wars (note: I say it was an excuse, not the cause). Humans show some morality, even if they're not religious as well. I do realise that this may be due to our culture which is heavily influenced by religion, but I don't think that's the only reason.

Why is it impossible that the morale in religions was only the explicitation of a morale already part of a culture? Isn't it likely that people behaved in a certain way and afterwards said that this was because of some higher order. Off course, afterwards it starts developping itself and you get religious rituals, dogmatics, etc.

If religion was not the explicitation of a morale already in a culture, then where did all the moral ideas come from? There are two possibilities: either these ideas already lived in that culture or they were revealed by a god. I think the first is far more likely.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Wonder if thats got anything to do with the Mid champ weapons being called Thurisaz?

Sounds so close to it, and as we know the Mythic is a bit coocoo about scandic/nordic mythology, that it might actually be.

Hell, the bondfire signal thing used in lord of the rings evidently is from the finnish defence line

 

[Lamp]

Religion was even used as an excuse to start wars

Still is

 

[cHodAX]

I am a registered Sith on the Electoral Roll and UK Census.

 

[Yshynsin]

Regisared Christian although at 15 years in my life i have made my mind up that religeon is pointless, it serves a purpose for some people but in my eyes it causes all major problems in ze world.

 

[DocWolfe]

Think I might put myself down as a satanist on the next census

 

[DocWolfe]

rubbish, apsolute rubbish, man would never of survived if religion had never happened.

Religion was a natural progression in understanding the world, but now we have progressed beyond it. Time to give up the goose.

 

[noblok]

Religion was a natural progression in understanding the world, but now we have progressed beyond it. Time to give up the goose.

Religion serves more purposes than a pre-scientific 'science'.

 

[tris-]

thats only true because we actually have religion. if it never existed, im sure morals n shit would of come from somewhere else.

 

[noblok]

I didn't say morale was the only other purpose though. I still think religion is a way to account for a certain experience of the world. This doesn't have to contradict science. Religion covers a whole different aspect of life than science.

 

[tris-]

oh i know you didnt say morals. thats why i added n shit on it . alot of stuff from religion, imo, may have come to be without religion existing.

 

[noblok]

I don't think it can. If you experience the world as created by/full of a greater force, there's nothing but religion to account for it. This doesn't necessarily have to be an institutionalised religion though.

I think the core of religion was very well defined by my professor sociology: "Firstly: a sociological domain where every other domain gets a second, deeper meaning, conform the difference immanent/transcendent. Secondly: a sociological domain where all questions with regard to meaning can be answered."

If you take this definition the 'Great Stories' are also religions: Hegel, Marx, etc. They all give the visible world a deeper meaning, be it in terms of battle of the classes or a history which develops above us. People apprently need this kind of thing. I ticked atheist on the poll, but as you know from other threads I consider my belief in free will a sort of religion. Free will is something transcendent and it gives human actions a second, deeper meaning.

 

[Conchabar]

lol, im not gonna say to much because i could fill entire book with my oppinion, but i can just imagine tris as a cave man trying to figure out what was going on then begining to pray to the sun lol, oh wait and the leaf that got him stoned

 

[tris-]

but i can just imagine tris as a cave man trying to figure out what was going on then begining to pray to the sun lol, oh wait and the leaf that got him stoned

why me?!
why would i pray to anything? what if i had evolved in such a way that a thought like that could not possibly exist?

 

[DocWolfe]

I don't think it can. If you experience the world as created by/full of a greater force, there's nothing but religion to account for it. This doesn't necessarily have to be an institutionalised religion though.

I think the core of religion was very well defined by my professor sociology: "Firstly: a sociological domain where every other domain gets a second, deeper meaning, conform the difference immanent/transcendent. Secondly: a sociological domain where all questions with regard to meaning can be answered."

If you take this definition the 'Great Stories' are also religions: Hegel, Marx, etc. They all give the visible world a deeper meaning, be it in terms of battle of the classes or a history which develops above us. People apprently need this kind of thing. I ticked atheist on the poll, but as you know from other threads I consider my belief in free will a sort of religion. Free will is something transcendent and it gives human actions a second, deeper meaning.

I dont think religion necessarily means morals at all. People would have sussed that unless you dont want your stuff being stolen, dont steal your self, because otherwise its just a downward spiral. Even in monkey heirachies you see morals but sure they helped enforce them. The thing is with monkeys without religion, you dont see them go and suicide bomb another group of monkeys.

But now we have enforced morals, by the law etc. there isn't any need to fear a "higher" power. So cya God.

Religion is holding us back, just look at those idiots in the states that are trying to stop evolution and particle physics been taught in schools. These are also the same idiots who are trying to stop stem cell research among other things, on religious grounds. These are serious biological technologies that could help eradicate some major hereditory diseases, that plaugue many families.

We've surpassed religion, now its simple damaging us both socially and scientifically.

 

[noblok]

I'm sorry, but in the post you quoted I didn't refer to religion as a source of morale. I have made clear in this thread (or one of the other religous ones) that I believe a morale is possible without religion. What you say about the law as a source of morale is a bit odd as well. Our laws aren't all just, people can criticse the law for not being just enough.

The problems you mention are problems which don't arise from the core of religion. These problems arise when religion speaks about things out of it's reach. Religion should not speak about scientific subjects, because it covers a whole different aspect of life. Same goes the other way around: science has got nothing to do with giving a meaning to life and can't (dis)prove any of this in religion.

I'll repeat what I said before: religion is a way to account for your experience. You can't just tell people: "I'm sorry, you can no longer eperience the world like this, it's damaging socitety." How you individually experience the world is something you don't really have under control. This is why it's silly to say we should step away from religion. People will do so when they no longer need it, but as long as they need it nobody can force them to do so.