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old.gitski
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And as for latest USA patch , you really need to be a scout now , cos rangers and hunters r just assasin fodder espesh hunters with there evade 1 .
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Madonion Slicer
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lol Gitski 
Guess i will roll a Ranger, nice to have a change of scene, if any of you come a across a guy called Hawken give him a helping hand if you can.
Even if the Ranger is "Nerfed" in 1.50 with GOA record that gives me about a year of play time, before that happens.
Thanks everyone
Guess i will roll a Ranger, nice to have a change of scene, if any of you come a across a guy called Hawken give him a helping hand if you can.
Even if the Ranger is "Nerfed" in 1.50 with GOA record that gives me about a year of play time, before that happens.
Thanks everyone
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Another quick question.
Which Race makes the best rangers and whats the best way to spec them first 30 points at creation?
Which Race makes the best rangers and whats the best way to spec them first 30 points at creation?
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Lonewolf your scout templates suck. 42 shield is a must for scouts (slam).
As for more dmg it's called carrying a longbow. Longbows hit harder than hib bows, it's the way they are.
As for more dmg it's called carrying a longbow. Longbows hit harder than hib bows, it's the way they are.
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old.Trapp|Uberleech
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Lonewolf you are a joke. Scouts are the best archer class by far. they hit ALOT harder. For example arken lvl 50 scout oneshots me for 970 damage. When I crit him I shoot for 300-400 damage, and once I have done that I can't hurt him anymore because of engage shield abbility.
The blue con scouts arround shoot me for 400 damage with regular shots etc etc.
And your scout templates lmao, why spec 50 bow? 42 shield is no problem at all to attain.
The blue con scouts arround shoot me for 400 damage with regular shots etc etc.
And your scout templates lmao, why spec 50 bow? 42 shield is no problem at all to attain.
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check us.boards and see what they say about scouts
they do plenty of dmg, got shieldspec- enough said?
they do plenty of dmg, got shieldspec- enough said?
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old.TheAussie
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i do critical for ±700 dmg on red elfs
399 with normal shot
and i love their rp's
399 with normal shot
and i love their rp's
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old.Trapp|Uberleech
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any archer can deal massive damage on a caster tho...
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old.Lonewolf
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Ok let me clarify this for the slow people out there, they were test templates they were not meant seriously they were there to make a point.......
And I will say what I said before, seeing as most of you don't understand the term sarcasm and most of my jokes and innuendos just simply flew over your heads......
There are alot of people screaming Scouts this, Assassins that and Rangers this.....anyhow DAoC is not about how powerful classes are because knowing Mythic they will change it all again, because Hibernia is underpowered anyway. Anyhow the point I am trying to make is that it isn't how powerful the class is its how u play them...
Alot of people are going errrrr being killed here being killed there imo its just that they are not playing their class how they were meant to be played.....if everyone followed what you guys are claiming then Hibernia may as well pack their bags and give up now, because Albion has the best archers, and Midgard the best fighters and what does Hibernia have.....nothing....
I am going to ignore all the haters and try my best to play my ranger to the best ability that I can, and yeah if I die to a couple of shots from a scout then so be it...thats life
But once again everyone ignores my question AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLS ANSWER IT!!!!
Scouts can get max Dex at about 180 with items and thats pushing it....Rangers can get max Dex at 280-300 with items
Bow dmg is determined by Dex so how on earth by the Game physics and my pure logic, how can Scouts hit harder than Rangers?!?!? It makes no sense at all
Pls pls pls someone clarify this for me, because it totally bemuses me, we have the same armour as scouts same % protect and armour factor anyhow and we have higher str due to buffs, so how the hell can they hit harder and take more off??!?!!?
Obviously they can by what everyone is proclaiming, but how I would love to be told
And there is no need to personally abuse me
I don't know everything about DAoC like some people claim to
And I will say what I said before, seeing as most of you don't understand the term sarcasm and most of my jokes and innuendos just simply flew over your heads......
There are alot of people screaming Scouts this, Assassins that and Rangers this.....anyhow DAoC is not about how powerful classes are because knowing Mythic they will change it all again, because Hibernia is underpowered anyway. Anyhow the point I am trying to make is that it isn't how powerful the class is its how u play them...
Alot of people are going errrrr being killed here being killed there imo its just that they are not playing their class how they were meant to be played.....if everyone followed what you guys are claiming then Hibernia may as well pack their bags and give up now, because Albion has the best archers, and Midgard the best fighters and what does Hibernia have.....nothing....
I am going to ignore all the haters and try my best to play my ranger to the best ability that I can, and yeah if I die to a couple of shots from a scout then so be it...thats life
But once again everyone ignores my question AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLS ANSWER IT!!!!
Scouts can get max Dex at about 180 with items and thats pushing it....Rangers can get max Dex at 280-300 with items
Bow dmg is determined by Dex so how on earth by the Game physics and my pure logic, how can Scouts hit harder than Rangers?!?!? It makes no sense at all
Pls pls pls someone clarify this for me, because it totally bemuses me, we have the same armour as scouts same % protect and armour factor anyhow and we have higher str due to buffs, so how the hell can they hit harder and take more off??!?!!?
Obviously they can by what everyone is proclaiming, but how I would love to be told
And there is no need to personally abuse me
I don't know everything about DAoC like some people claim to
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old.Trapp|Uberleech
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*feels bit stoopid* sorry bout flaming honestly I did not get that it was sarcasm
Anyway I totally agree on that it does not matter much that scouts hit harder and is the best archer class, like you said depends on the player to 99.9%
About scout hitting hard, here is just a thought. Take warden and a hero, can both spec blunt (I think), but they are simply on different damagetables even if they spec equal and use same weapons, same comparison is valid for many other classes as well. Might also be valid for scouts/rangers, longbows are on a different damagetable than recurvebows.
Just my theory
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old.Lonewolf
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No no no, wardens have less str and do not spec as highly in blunts due to heal and regrowth etc etc
Now a ranger has max bow and scout max bow or not even max bow naturally
So dex can be the only dmg variable and if scouts don't have as higher dex then how can they hit harder?!?
And they are both on the same dmg class tables as they are the same class in each realm??! Yes no?
Even if that wasn't the case ur saying they can crit shot u 700dmg and u them 300-400dmg how is that possible?!?!? when u have far more Dex have u gimped your ranger or summin?
If it was a 100dmg less then yeah maybe but even if recurve bow hit for less the massive difference in Dex would make up the difference not too mention make it harder for them to hit us and easier for us to hit them?!
Wait a minute are u a Lurikeen ranger?
There must be something I am missing here
Now a ranger has max bow and scout max bow or not even max bow naturally
So dex can be the only dmg variable and if scouts don't have as higher dex then how can they hit harder?!?
And they are both on the same dmg class tables as they are the same class in each realm??! Yes no?
Even if that wasn't the case ur saying they can crit shot u 700dmg and u them 300-400dmg how is that possible?!?!? when u have far more Dex have u gimped your ranger or summin?
If it was a 100dmg less then yeah maybe but even if recurve bow hit for less the massive difference in Dex would make up the difference not too mention make it harder for them to hit us and easier for us to hit them?!
Wait a minute are u a Lurikeen ranger?
There must be something I am missing here
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Flimgoblin
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A scout uses a 5.4 or 5.7 bow (or something like that).
A ranger uses a 4.0 bow.
Hence the first shot from a ranger is less than that of a scout.
As for 'Scouts are the only good snipers in 1.50 because of shield spec' I've been hearing rumours that slam ain't as great as it used to be - with all these resistances people have to combat mezz/stun your 9 seconds has dropped to about 4-5.
Archers either have to be afraid of assassins or get a group like the rest of us
(cue whines from archers about not being able to get groups - myself I'll take archers in my groups, PvE or RvR. They're good damage dealers, and despite what people think you can still xp well with all damage dealers, no proper tanks and no healer.)
Edit: btw - a group doesn't necessarily mean get a caster a healer a tank a paladin etc..
Two scouts and an infiltrator, or a scout/infil/minstrel will do fine. If an assassin attacks the scout or minstrel, the infil splats him with the help of the third.
A ranger uses a 4.0 bow.
Hence the first shot from a ranger is less than that of a scout.
As for 'Scouts are the only good snipers in 1.50 because of shield spec' I've been hearing rumours that slam ain't as great as it used to be - with all these resistances people have to combat mezz/stun your 9 seconds has dropped to about 4-5.
Archers either have to be afraid of assassins or get a group like the rest of us
(cue whines from archers about not being able to get groups - myself I'll take archers in my groups, PvE or RvR. They're good damage dealers, and despite what people think you can still xp well with all damage dealers, no proper tanks and no healer.)
Edit: btw - a group doesn't necessarily mean get a caster a healer a tank a paladin etc..
Two scouts and an infiltrator, or a scout/infil/minstrel will do fine. If an assassin attacks the scout or minstrel, the infil splats him with the help of the third.
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actually i think scouts can get higher than 180 dex
assuming he chooses saracen - 80 dex ... puts 10 points on character creation - 90 dex ... at level 50 - 135 dex ... the cap on +stats from items is 75 AFAIK and that'll give the scout 210 dex ... find yourself any 48+ cleric to buff your dex with just his base-line dex buff (+72) - 282 dex
also keep in mind that the most dextrous race in midgard is a kobold - only 70 dex at the start
assuming he chooses saracen - 80 dex ... puts 10 points on character creation - 90 dex ... at level 50 - 135 dex ... the cap on +stats from items is 75 AFAIK and that'll give the scout 210 dex ... find yourself any 48+ cleric to buff your dex with just his base-line dex buff (+72) - 282 dex
also keep in mind that the most dextrous race in midgard is a kobold - only 70 dex at the start
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old.Lonewolf
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Yes but I have 220 Dex now with my natural buff, so think about when I get to lvl 50 I will have 280+ possibly even more
So that Dex thing is out the window and with the recurve bow there are Great Recurve Bows which can go upto 5.0dps
We really need to resolve this lads, I mean a lvl 50 vs lvl 50 whats the score exactly?!?!
And surely Rangers have higher str due to the buff they have?
So that Dex thing is out the window and with the recurve bow there are Great Recurve Bows which can go upto 5.0dps
We really need to resolve this lads, I mean a lvl 50 vs lvl 50 whats the score exactly?!?!
And surely Rangers have higher str due to the buff they have?
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old.Verata
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I think the reason most people didn't spot the sarcasm, LoneWolf, is that you're not very good at it.
Regardless, don't shout down melee spec on Rangers. That's actually another reason to play Ranger. At the moment, a melee/path specced Ranger will out-damage a BladeMaster. They get the same styles, same weapon abilities, same armour type, Evade III instead of BM's Evade II, a damage table almost identical to a BM and on top it if they get the path buffs. Add to that enough points into Recurve to get Crit 9 and you got a great melee char with shit hot bow skills.
How about this for a template:
Blade: 44
CD: 29
Path: 48
Recurve: 27
Sure you're not a stealther, but it's gonna make you a wicked melee char, especially after putting a crit into your opponent before going hand to hand.
I know a lot of people wouldn't like this as it's not a traditional role, but it's something to think about. As Keri said, beware the Ginsu Ranger. Mine's specced out and will be rolled soon.
Edit: Incidentally, LoneWolf, Trapp is right about the damage tables. Heroes who are lower lvl than my Warden and who have less strength, but the same blunt or blade spec level as me, do around double the damage that I do. It's because Wardens sit on the Naturalist damage table and Heroes are on the Guardian damage table. This has been one of the biggest complaints about the Warden class since inception.
Regardless, don't shout down melee spec on Rangers. That's actually another reason to play Ranger. At the moment, a melee/path specced Ranger will out-damage a BladeMaster. They get the same styles, same weapon abilities, same armour type, Evade III instead of BM's Evade II, a damage table almost identical to a BM and on top it if they get the path buffs. Add to that enough points into Recurve to get Crit 9 and you got a great melee char with shit hot bow skills.
How about this for a template:
Blade: 44
CD: 29
Path: 48
Recurve: 27
Sure you're not a stealther, but it's gonna make you a wicked melee char, especially after putting a crit into your opponent before going hand to hand.
I know a lot of people wouldn't like this as it's not a traditional role, but it's something to think about. As Keri said, beware the Ginsu Ranger. Mine's specced out and will be rolled soon.
Edit: Incidentally, LoneWolf, Trapp is right about the damage tables. Heroes who are lower lvl than my Warden and who have less strength, but the same blunt or blade spec level as me, do around double the damage that I do. It's because Wardens sit on the Naturalist damage table and Heroes are on the Guardian damage table. This has been one of the biggest complaints about the Warden class since inception.
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old.Lonewolf
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Thanks for the info but have u read my post??!
I said Scouts and Rangers must be in the same dmg table they are the same class, I was looking for an answer to why they out dmg us seeing as we have such higher Dex than them thats all
As for Ginsu Rangers good for u, but I think they are redundant in RvR and good luck to them, I think they are rangers who lost their way
Still haven't received a decent explanation for why Scouts out dmg Rangers, when Rangers have better Dex buffed and similar dmg based bows....anyone? pls
I just want the knowledge its not a rhetorical question
I said Scouts and Rangers must be in the same dmg table they are the same class, I was looking for an answer to why they out dmg us seeing as we have such higher Dex than them thats all
As for Ginsu Rangers good for u, but I think they are redundant in RvR and good luck to them, I think they are rangers who lost their way
Still haven't received a decent explanation for why Scouts out dmg Rangers, when Rangers have better Dex buffed and similar dmg based bows....anyone? pls
I just want the knowledge its not a rhetorical question
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My bows bigger than yours ...
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old.Lonewolf
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Do people actually read posts or just like flit over them and then post summin which is somekind of interpretation of what their brain read?!?
I wrote that yeah the DPS on Scouts bows can go upto 5.8
But Ranger Bows can go upto 5.0 one have at mo is 4.8 my Dex is higher than urs can max out at 300 by level 50 and I want to know is how u outdmg me by such a large margin
One person quoted Scouts hit him for 700dmg while he only hits them for 300-400dmg
Probably being hit by a red or summin LOL
But seriously though this is a genuine heart felt request
I wrote that yeah the DPS on Scouts bows can go upto 5.8
But Ranger Bows can go upto 5.0 one have at mo is 4.8 my Dex is higher than urs can max out at 300 by level 50 and I want to know is how u outdmg me by such a large margin
One person quoted Scouts hit him for 700dmg while he only hits them for 300-400dmg
Probably being hit by a red or summin LOL
But seriously though this is a genuine heart felt request
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I'm telling you, it's because we have bigger bows ...
Shame it takes us forever and then some to fire ...
Shame it takes us forever and then some to fire ...
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old.Verata
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They're the same TYPE of class, but they're not the same. Hell they're not even in the same realm. That's the same as expecting Viking classes to have the same damage tables as Guardian classes. Similar classes between realms are balanced with abilities, not purely with damage output. What a scout lacks in the pathfinding skill, he makes up for with slightly higher damage and shield ability. The same with a hunter and pet/spear.
Classes with the same base class have the same damage tables, so Ranger and Nightshade will have the same.
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old.Lonewolf
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Aha all sorted thanks laters
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old.Trapp|Uberleech
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eeeeeh
my example was this:
Arken lvl 50 scout critshoots me for 970, I (lvl 50 ranger) critshoot him for 300-400....
Once you start rvring in a bout a year you will know what I mean
my example was this:
Arken lvl 50 scout critshoots me for 970, I (lvl 50 ranger) critshoot him for 300-400....
Once you start rvring in a bout a year you will know what I mean
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old.Lonewolf
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Think I will give up my ranger then and go back to my infiltrator
Thanks for making me realise what a pointless Realm Hibernia is and what pointless classes they seem to have employed
Thanks for making me realise what a pointless Realm Hibernia is and what pointless classes they seem to have employed
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Flimgoblin
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Cool, some smack talk on a board has made you given up on your char... if only all the wars were this easy to win...
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old.Lonewolf
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Sarcasm is such a looked over humour.....bah!:sleeping:
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Flimgoblin
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(well you had changed them in the sig)
Think I've been posting/reading on IGN too much.
That's it I'm off to top myself, someone did a come back on the BW forums and make me look foolish.
Think I've been posting/reading on IGN too much.
That's it I'm off to top myself, someone did a come back on the BW forums and make me look foolish.
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old.Lonewolf
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Hahaha only playin with you mate, no worries I have found all your opinions and ideas really inciteful and I can't thank u all enough
And that wasn't sarcastic!
Peace all
And that wasn't sarcastic!
Peace all
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Flimgoblin
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Heh "inciteful" is more inciting to violence, causing people to go 'raar' and kill each other... so I guess a lot of the posts fall into that.
Insightful is probably the spelling you're looking for (same pronunciation but I found the other spelling funny)
Not a flame this, just thought the mis-spelling was amusing (hey I'm a pun freak).
so I guess a lot of the posts fall into that.Insightful is probably the spelling you're looking for (same pronunciation but I found the other spelling funny
)Not a flame this, just thought the mis-spelling was amusing (hey I'm a pun freak).