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Madonion Slicer
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Simple one this, i fancy rolling an Archer(ie Ranger or?)
What can you recommend and why?
What can you recommend and why?
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Brennik
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There's two opinions on that and I'm not sure what the balance is like in 1.45. In 1.50 scouts claim rangers are the best archers, thanks to the selfbuffs. Likewise, everyone else is "complaining" about scouts packing the most punch. Hunters... They just don't compete.
I guess it comes down to what your primary targets are going to be. Rangers are probably the most versatile, as in, cause most trouble to all other classes. The only bane for a ranger is a scout, thanks to scouts having shields and engage.
Also, it pays off to take a look at the new realm abilities and the reduced effectiveness of stealth. Get those melee skills high enough so you can actually kill something WHEN (not IF) they get too close.
I guess it comes down to what your primary targets are going to be. Rangers are probably the most versatile, as in, cause most trouble to all other classes. The only bane for a ranger is a scout, thanks to scouts having shields and engage.
Also, it pays off to take a look at the new realm abilities and the reduced effectiveness of stealth. Get those melee skills high enough so you can actually kill something WHEN (not IF) they get too close.
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Hunters also have a rather nice dmg add called a pet.
Oh, and spears similar to those of Hibernian heros.
I'd say scouts for damage, and hunters for versatility
Oh, and spears similar to those of Hibernian heros.
I'd say scouts for damage, and hunters for versatility
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old.Halfmad
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having played a hunter I'd go for it, the pet is invaluable at times for distracting enemies and the spear damage is superb. Also got easily the best draw times.
Bit like a machine gun with arrows
Bit like a machine gun with arrows
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old.Cadwyr
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Well imo..
Scouts can be fooking scary. A scout can kill me (49 Hero) from full health to dead in 5-6 arrows. If a scout is shooting me while Im grouped and I have a healer on hand, I will make some effort to try and locate them. If Im solo/unbuffed and a scout starts hitting on me I run for cover. By the time I would have located them, I would be too low on health to charge them..
Hunters dont hit anywhere near as hard. The will set pets onto u when u persue them but u still stand a good chance of owning them as a tank.
Imo both classes are pretty cool. Ranger buffs are great if soloing but if ur grouped they will always be overwritten by better druid/warden/bard buffs. I'd ressurect my beta ranger as an alt if they weren't such a bugger to level up.
Scouts can be fooking scary. A scout can kill me (49 Hero) from full health to dead in 5-6 arrows. If a scout is shooting me while Im grouped and I have a healer on hand, I will make some effort to try and locate them. If Im solo/unbuffed and a scout starts hitting on me I run for cover. By the time I would have located them, I would be too low on health to charge them..
Hunters dont hit anywhere near as hard. The will set pets onto u when u persue them but u still stand a good chance of owning them as a tank.
Imo both classes are pretty cool. Ranger buffs are great if soloing but if ur grouped they will always be overwritten by better druid/warden/bard buffs. I'd ressurect my beta ranger as an alt if they weren't such a bugger to level up.
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old.Twiztid
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sniping - ranger
all round sniper/melee/defence - scout
pve - hunter
all round sniper/melee/defence - scout
pve - hunter
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old.gitski
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hmm had a lvl 50 hunter on US server , i can tell you with upcoming updates ect on there way, Scout is king.
Ya get engage <blocks 90% of arrow attacks>
At level 42 shield you get 6 second shield stun.
<shield stun knock arrow crit shot is murder>
Also with player made bows a Scout hits way the hardest.
Pets suck give you away in pvp , plus most people kill pets when they see them , add to this theres no pets to get in alb frontier till ya way inside it to get pet.
Rangers r nice too there 2nd on list , hunters r kinda crap till mythic fixes em up wich will be hopefully soon now, as they have aknowledge that they r not what they wanted.
Gitski
Ya get engage <blocks 90% of arrow attacks>
At level 42 shield you get 6 second shield stun.
<shield stun knock arrow crit shot is murder>
Also with player made bows a Scout hits way the hardest.
Pets suck give you away in pvp , plus most people kill pets when they see them , add to this theres no pets to get in alb frontier till ya way inside it to get pet.
Rangers r nice too there 2nd on list , hunters r kinda crap till mythic fixes em up wich will be hopefully soon now, as they have aknowledge that they r not what they wanted.
Gitski
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old.chipper
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well i have a hunter on prydwen and think the dmg suxs frankly draw time is about the best thing i found gettin a low con blue pet is a bit crap when in rvr the enemy will gnak in it 3-4 secs flat which is not enough time to take someone with a decent con out (im not into targetting grays)
dunno bout rangers
scouts omg where do u start there dmg is insane i can get reds down to 1/3rd health when buffed take oranges easy own greens/blues in 1 shot, yellows in 2-3. the melee roxs i have no trouble fighting low yellow cons imo scouts are the best archer by a long way but since i aint played ranger i cant really say for sure
dunno bout rangers
scouts omg where do u start there dmg is insane i can get reds down to 1/3rd health when buffed take oranges easy own greens/blues in 1 shot, yellows in 2-3. the melee roxs i have no trouble fighting low yellow cons imo scouts are the best archer by a long way but since i aint played ranger i cant really say for sure
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tilde
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Slam lasts for 9secs according to mythic
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Bootae
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I guess how someone chooses their realm ablities could make a fair difference.
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belth
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Well, let's get a 50 scout or 50 ranger from US here, they'll have different opinions
Slam... 42 shield spec... Kinda long way.
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old.gitski
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All rangers will tell you scouts r the hardest =P .And all hunters will too.
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Brennik
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Yepp, the most difficult target for ranges after pure tanks is scout, thanks to the shield spec. Although I know a lot of scouts who envy rangers. Still, hunters don't really compete, which is a sad fact
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Eleasias
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At times I rather go for the blue/yellow con polearmsman instead of the scout I know has engange and slam, and rangers for sniping is total bs, scouts make almost double dmg (can one shot yellow rangers), which rangers find hard to do against avg/high blues. Only things ranger is better at is a) drawtime, which doesnt matter because a scout near your level can drop you in one or max two shots, and a smart scout has engage up after the first shot b) speedbuff, which is on a 10 minute timer and rarely helps you against scouts, and is next to nothing against assassins.Originally posted by Brennik
Yepp, the most difficult target for ranges after pure tanks is scout, thanks to the shield spec. Although I know a lot of scouts who envy rangers. Still, hunters don't really compete, which is a sad fact
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old.Niljindil
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Originally posted by tilde
Slam lasts for 9secs according to mythic
I think its based on the size of your shield.
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old.Anneli
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when i was 44 red hunter did same dmg as blue to me scout
as for archers if no stealth scouts are best archers
as for archers if no stealth scouts are best archers
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old.Atrox
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Yea Hunters are not the class to play if you'r only after the "Archer" bit.
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old.Zanaa
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Looking at the raw char power, hunter might be the weakest class. BUT, one shall not forget that being a mid class, hunters have most targets since there are almost no spiritmasters and not that many runies around - runies who often have a good bubblechant and can have 70-80 base con.
Zana, Lliad Ddraig
Zana, Lliad Ddraig
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Keri
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Watch out for the new class ... the Ginsu Ranger.
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Slam is 9 sec wotever shield you use,,
Size of shield only affects Swing spd, MAX dmg and Amount of blockable targets
Size of shield only affects Swing spd, MAX dmg and Amount of blockable targets
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old.Lonewolf
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Think ur living in fantasy land imo, Rangers far outclass Scouts due to the size of the buffs, I can get over 220 dex at lvl 32 with my ranger so god knows what it can get upto at lvl 50!!, upto the cap I suppose of 300, and they spec alot more tightly than scouts ever could so much better at performing what their class is suppose to, SNIPE!
As for shield for the Scout, geeeeeee let me think Scouts get 2x exp
So let me see they are speccing in bow? Thrust/slash? Stealth? OH AND SHIELD?!?
Hmmmm geeeee let me think for a mo, Tooooooo many things to spec in
I have been on the Catacombs and these are the stats I could come up with for a scout lvl 50, check it out:
Template 1
Dex:125
Str:65
Qui:83
Stealth:50
Bow:50
Thrust: 24
Shield:15
Ok gr8 sniper crap melee!
Template 2
Dex:125
Str:65
Qui:83
Stealth:30
Bow:50
Thrust:46
Shield:15
Gr8 bow and melee, crap shield so open to arrows and Stealth is Mediocre so can be seen more easily
Template 3
Dex:125
Str:65
Qui:83
Stealth:30
Bow:50
Thrust:30
Shield:38
Best allrounder except thrust is still low as is shield so still open to high lvl bow men
Now let me get this straight Bow dmg is determined by Dex and seeing as a Ranger gets 250+ dex at lvl 50 and Scout could get MAX Dex 160-80 with items possibly 200 ifI was being nice I cannot see how a Scout out dmgs a ranger!!?!?
If he does then the coding algorithms in the game need to be addressed, imo u haven't examined all the facts and identified stats and spec points
As a ranger I am not speccing in Melee, but maximising bow and path as much as I can and then the rest in Stealth, hence maximum buffs and maximum dmg
Come back to me and tell me now who does the most dmg pls!
But don't hurt me k
As for shield for the Scout, geeeeeee let me think Scouts get 2x exp
So let me see they are speccing in bow? Thrust/slash? Stealth? OH AND SHIELD?!?
Hmmmm geeeee let me think for a mo, Tooooooo many things to spec in
I have been on the Catacombs and these are the stats I could come up with for a scout lvl 50, check it out:
Template 1
Dex:125
Str:65
Qui:83
Stealth:50
Bow:50
Thrust: 24
Shield:15
Ok gr8 sniper crap melee!
Template 2
Dex:125
Str:65
Qui:83
Stealth:30
Bow:50
Thrust:46
Shield:15
Gr8 bow and melee, crap shield so open to arrows and Stealth is Mediocre so can be seen more easily
Template 3
Dex:125
Str:65
Qui:83
Stealth:30
Bow:50
Thrust:30
Shield:38
Best allrounder except thrust is still low as is shield so still open to high lvl bow men
Now let me get this straight Bow dmg is determined by Dex and seeing as a Ranger gets 250+ dex at lvl 50 and Scout could get MAX Dex 160-80 with items possibly 200 ifI was being nice I cannot see how a Scout out dmgs a ranger!!?!?
If he does then the coding algorithms in the game need to be addressed, imo u haven't examined all the facts and identified stats and spec points
As a ranger I am not speccing in Melee, but maximising bow and path as much as I can and then the rest in Stealth, hence maximum buffs and maximum dmg
Come back to me and tell me now who does the most dmg pls!
But don't hurt me k
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Madonion Slicer
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Ok looks like i am going to go with the Ranger as a change of scene will be nice.
Which is the best class to be Race for a Ranger and what is the best way to spec my 30 points???
As for paths i will follow this path
1st Bow keep it at my lvl
2nd Path
3rd Weapon i take it that is either Peice or Blade
And then when i start to get left over points put them into stealth for later use in RVR which will be a long way off.
Which is the best class to be Race for a Ranger and what is the best way to spec my 30 points???
As for paths i will follow this path
1st Bow keep it at my lvl
2nd Path
3rd Weapon i take it that is either Peice or Blade
And then when i start to get left over points put them into stealth for later use in RVR which will be a long way off.
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old.Lonewolf
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NO NO NO NO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Never go melee NEVER EVER go melee its useless for rangers ur just gimp yaself, however thats only if u wanna be a major dmg dealer bow, stealthed man, u can of course go melee if ya wanna forget Stealth
I went like this
bow:50
Path:48 (for last speed buff as quick as the highest lvl minstrel!!)
Stealth: 31 (Just for that ickle bit of stealth needed, with items can go up to 40+ easily)
As for melee NON EXISTENT! I never played a ranger to get close and I never will stand and I fight I snipe, kill, stealth, snipe, kill, stealth
If god forgive me an Assassin gets me then well done life of a ranger I am afraid
However we were never made for melee I believe and I will speed buff my way away when I can!
Oh and 10mins on speed buff is brilliant 10mins! flys by in RvR
Oh and go Lurikeen best race for Rangers, best dex and major dmg dealers, anyone tells u elf or briton god help them poor gimped fools!
MUWHAHAHHAAHHA.....*cough* *cough*
Never go melee NEVER EVER go melee its useless for rangers ur just gimp yaself, however thats only if u wanna be a major dmg dealer bow, stealthed man, u can of course go melee if ya wanna forget Stealth
I went like this
bow:50
Path:48 (for last speed buff as quick as the highest lvl minstrel!!)
Stealth: 31 (Just for that ickle bit of stealth needed, with items can go up to 40+ easily)
As for melee NON EXISTENT! I never played a ranger to get close and I never will stand and I fight I snipe, kill, stealth, snipe, kill, stealth
If god forgive me an Assassin gets me then well done life of a ranger I am afraid
However we were never made for melee I believe and I will speed buff my way away when I can!
Oh and 10mins on speed buff is brilliant 10mins! flys by in RvR
Oh and go Lurikeen best race for Rangers, best dex and major dmg dealers, anyone tells u elf or briton god help them poor gimped fools!
MUWHAHAHHAAHHA.....*cough* *cough*
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old.gitski
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All i can say is your a lvl 32 ranger , play a char to 50 then pvp it for 5 months then come back and tell people rangers r better than scouts , and ya wont as for stats all your stats r flawed dude .)
avg stats would be
39 stealth (34 lowest to go say +5 rp bonus +11 items)
29 slash (enough to get you by in PVE and PVP)
42 shield ( shield stun crit shot , you will hardly use melee in pvp)
41 bow (rp bonus and items ya can get to way over 50)
Gitski
avg stats would be
39 stealth (34 lowest to go say +5 rp bonus +11 items)
29 slash (enough to get you by in PVE and PVP)
42 shield ( shield stun crit shot , you will hardly use melee in pvp)
41 bow (rp bonus and items ya can get to way over 50)
Gitski
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old.Lonewolf
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So what ur saying is its as everyone seems to be that its pointless playing a ranger or hunter and we all should just give up go to Albion people its pointless playing we will just get killed by assassins or scouts anyhow!
Na man I think that how u play ur class is whats makes u a good RvR person, and I believe that most people are playing their classes in America like they were still in 1.48 and it just isn't gonna happen, as long as I take down 2-3 people before I die I am more than happy!
Down with the cynics and their depression UP WITH RANGERS WOOHOO
All I read and hear from america is WHINE WHINE Mezz is useless WHINE WHINE assassins are useless WHINE WHINE stealth is cack now WHINE WHINE Eldritches are weak WHINE WHINE hunters are rubbish now WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE
Its depressing me
I mean what class hasn't been nerfed I loved to know
Cause the way things are going I don't wanna have 1.50 patch now!!
Na man I think that how u play ur class is whats makes u a good RvR person, and I believe that most people are playing their classes in America like they were still in 1.48 and it just isn't gonna happen, as long as I take down 2-3 people before I die I am more than happy!
Down with the cynics and their depression UP WITH RANGERS WOOHOO
All I read and hear from america is WHINE WHINE Mezz is useless WHINE WHINE assassins are useless WHINE WHINE stealth is cack now WHINE WHINE Eldritches are weak WHINE WHINE hunters are rubbish now WHINE WHINE WHINE WHINE
Its depressing me
I mean what class hasn't been nerfed I loved to know
Cause the way things are going I don't wanna have 1.50 patch now!!
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Eleasias
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Heh, Lonewolf's posts make me laugh :> You can get max bow, max stealth and 42 base shield, AND base 29 in melee with a scout + gear + rp bonus ...
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old.Lonewolf
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Yes I know that but I am talking pure au natural skill points I made no point of including items, so u guys jeer all u like I am off to tell my mummy that ur just a bunch of bullies
And do bonuses give u the same amount of skills as plus points is all I wanna know?
At least I still out dmg u NER NER NER!
Or do i?!!?! I don't know I am falling into a void of Nerfdom where every character is nerfed and everyone complains!!!
Heeeeeeeeeelppppppppppppppppppppp
And do bonuses give u the same amount of skills as plus points is all I wanna know?
At least I still out dmg u NER NER NER!
Or do i?!!?! I don't know I am falling into a void of Nerfdom where every character is nerfed and everyone complains!!!
Heeeeeeeeeelppppppppppppppppppppp
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Don't really know about dmg dealt by hunters/rangers ...
... but I've managed to hit a yellow conn caster for 753dmg and usually hit yellow armour wearing types for around 350+ with a 'crit shot' ... although, maybe in comparison to other scouts thats a bit crap, I've never really asked ... :/
... but I've managed to hit a yellow conn caster for 753dmg and usually hit yellow armour wearing types for around 350+ with a 'crit shot' ... although, maybe in comparison to other scouts thats a bit crap, I've never really asked ... :/
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I think putting all your bets on a stealth-archer (sniper) might be a bad idea.... Mythic's latest patch (1.50) deals a blow to that - it's still a valid tactic... just the assassins will be hunting you.
So don't expect to be god in RvR just because you have a bow and stealth
I think hunters get a bad rep because up till now most of the archers have been going stealth+bow. As a hunter is meant to have a pet to be balanced this kinda throws them out of whack - try being sneaky when you've got a pet following you saying 'HUNTER HERE'.
I might start a kobbie hunter (shame you can't be a troll hunter eh?) or possibly a dwarf as the kobbies are all to common (that and they're blue!) when the test server comes around.
So don't expect to be god in RvR just because you have a bow and stealth
I think hunters get a bad rep because up till now most of the archers have been going stealth+bow. As a hunter is meant to have a pet to be balanced this kinda throws them out of whack - try being sneaky when you've got a pet following you saying 'HUNTER HERE'.
I might start a kobbie hunter (shame you can't be a troll hunter eh?) or possibly a dwarf as the kobbies are all to common (that and they're blue!) when the test server comes around.
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old.gitski
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i dont know where ya going with this lone =p .
The guy who started this thread wanted to know what archer to play and why i explained be a scout and why , you came along and started a thread poo poo'ing ;op now your crying nerf n whine.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST ROLL A DAMN RANGER
Cya round
Gitski
The guy who started this thread wanted to know what archer to play and why i explained be a scout and why , you came along and started a thread poo poo'ing ;op now your crying nerf n whine.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST ROLL A DAMN RANGER
Cya round
Gitski