When are we going to get some relics?

[old.Filip]

About puppets plan ..

sry but it wont work ..

* Find 50 good Albs, dedicated to succeed (hardest part)

you need way more than that .... 1 pac healer on wall's would stop that relic force ...

consider 12+ fg the smallest relic force....

Log alts; go Odins and take a few keeps. Like 2, perhaps 3 keeps.

Even with the organised alb zergs keep taking in mid is hard .. they bring out 150+ mids if the get report of 50+ albs in odins or on a keep...

And if those 150 mids gets the slightest hint that some1 is on the str relic they will be there in less than 2 min...

and they WILL know .. cause the uberguards from the other keeps will report em..

best RR we have had was with the zerg .. (the SOS bugged relic carrier group)

second best was with only 6 guilds though the dungeon (1.5 door down) fell becuase we lacked numbers

i often get pm's with relic raid idea's which sound nice on paper but they miss two very important points...

1. Albs DONT outnumber mids in a relic attemt..

2. 10 sec after we kill the uberguards mid's are alarmed and on the move to relic keep...

Filip
GM of HB

 

[Urme the Legend]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress

* Log alts; go Odins and take a few keeps. Like 2, perhaps 3 keeps.
* Ask 50-100 random Albs to go to the keep and 'defend it' (eg. tell em free RP and everybody comes)

Haha good luck!

Originally posted by old.Filip

best RR we have had was with the zerg .. (the SOS bugged relic carrier group)

Yay! You did the exact same thing as midgard 09:00CET you brought 250albs to mjollnir broke the doors and got the alb relic.. and you wanted to prove that you could get all relics at the same time, just as Midgard did. But you failed!
And it looks like all albs forgot that your relicraid try with 250albs was even 1 hour earlier then the raid on Excalibur, when Midgard took all 3 str relics.

And I think you are the only realm to fail a relic raid at 09:00 cet with a relic force containing 250 people.

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by Arnor2
nah, imo you lost relics because you didnt give a shit

nah imo we lost the relics cos u all set your alarm clocks for 8am on a saturday morning uke:

which u could have done anytime in the previous 6months we held the relics, just noone was lame enuf to organize a raid at that time of day... tactics and teamwork my arse.

 

[Repent Reloaded]

I was there, I was watching the alb alliance chat a few hours be4 they lost all there relics, the GM of DK urged albs to take some keeps back or we wake up with no relics, no one botherd after a few hours of talks, next day no relics, Arnor is right

 

[old.CrazyMuppet]

Originally posted by acei
I've been in a few albion zergs in Emain and have asked "wanna take a keep? We'll get DF for Albion" or "Wanna take a relic?"

I've seen people shouting 'wanna take a relic' in an emain zerg soooo many times and it makes me sad...

Acei, your heart is in the right place and that's good... but have you ANY idea how much preparations and logistics go into a serious relic raid?

You can shout 'let's take relic' to the zerg.... when i hear someone saying that i ask them:

- Are you the relic raid leader?
- Do you have a zerg leader?
- Do you have a CG leader?
- Do you have 25 rams spread over 10 groups?
- Do you have an additional 5-7 groups to handle uberguards?
- Do you have a stealther group to spot enemy movement at AMG/Mjollnir/borderkeep?
- Have you chosen a method to get the zerg to the relic keep without being noticed?

The above points are a minimum requirement to do it at primetime. So please believe me when i say that shouting 'let's take a relic' to a random zerg in emain is utterly pointless and will only get you negative replies ranging from 'lol' to 'noob', which i'm sure you don't deserve.

I would advise you to join a guild that takes part in relic raids. Or maybe you are in a guild already, then go on the raids with the guild... clerics are always needed. Join a few of them and you'll see how it goes... maybe organise one?

 

[old.Ramas]

What crazymuppet said.

Also, there are long and convoluted discussions about all the strategies mentioned above and many others, going on all the time amoungst those people who have been arranging the aforementioned 2 relic raids a week for the past month. Obviously the best way to find out why they do or don't work is to start organising a relic raid. Which you should feel free to do. Only not on Barry'swhine.

Obviously, you aren't going to start a meaningful discussion about relic raid strategy on a public board .

As for whining about alb responses to downed keeps, well let's see how quick mid responds after 6 months of failed relic attempts on Mjol.

Only we won't, because before long all your relic are belong to us.

 

[dakeyras]

Relics can be taken if there are enough people determined to take them and committed enough to persist.

One of the most remarkable series of raids I have been on was whilst playing Mid/Pryd. Albs had the numbers and the relics but there was a determination that on a particular Saturday we would get the str relic from Excal.

First raid at around 10 am failed with 3rd door 50%
Second raid didn't get to doors
Third raid 1st door 50%
Fourth raid second door 50%
Fifth raid wiped in courtyard
Sixth raid brought all 3 relics home by 2100

In between these raids keeps were taken..Beno was defended for wood supplies etc.

According to BW at the time, by the sixth raid defenders were too busy arguing over which guild had spent the most plat on door repairs.

It can be done.

 

[thucram]

Albs and RvR

imho there are many of us albs who, when thy get lvl 50, do a bit RvR like to 100 rps or less and then they just go lvl an alt and another alt and so on....

imho mids,hibs lvl a lvl 50; maybe 2, they go RvR with it and stick to RvR, gaining much more knowledge of RvR than albs.....

Result : 1. 3 FG albs get whiped by 1 FG mids and hibs , saw it MANY times
2.Many albs don't have any knowledge of RvR
3.You get the mentality 'like i saw on outlawgourp' => Stay away, stop following us ! (=with the true meaning that you would leech their RPS and that some might cause whipeouts cozz they hit every mezzed guy in a range of 5000 meters)
4.It takes you days to get in a good RvR group
5.If you say RPS they look like lil kids getting a candy, but tomuch candies getting you killed, try eating 10 Fat trolls as a desert :bore:


so i think its time for us albs who know RvR very good and those who don't to come together in peace and learn from our mistakes instead of making new ones... Stazrt Recruiting ppl to get known in RvR ( i do not mean directly put em in your guild)At the end, If you lazy albs would even do that , lets say in a month about 2/3 of albion will have a Balanced kickass grp in RvR, and THEN its time to take a relic.

 

[--Eraser--]

just wanted to say :great: for your nice and calm reply, methos.
good to see this between all the "stfu noob" answers.

 

[acei]

I admit i didn't think it took so many numbers to take a relic, that's because i've only got into RvR recently *points to my level* But surely keep raids are possible with a good zerg group?

 

[old.Ramas]

Keep raids depend a lot on whther a keep is defended.

While it is possible to take a level 10 undefended keep with 1fg, they'd better all be good rr and level 50. 3-4fg is more comfortable.

Even 1fg of defenders, however, quickly makes this a job for 6-10fg attackers, depending on the skill and realm rank of the defenders. Also note, that unless you are very quick, enemy keeps wil quickly get defenders, since killing a guard notifies the huild which run the keep of your attack.

Also, if the doors have been upgraded significantly (which they almost always have) you will need pre-arranged rams, and ram operators.

Unfortuntely Mythic is determined to stamp out any worthwhile objectives for small scale RvR .

 

[StormriderX]

Half ass rr's are doomed to failure before the participants even leave the tk.

But albion has launched numerous relic raids on midgard recently so it isn't for lack of trying

 

[Vim]

Originally posted by acei
We've had our relics gone now since almost the launch of SI. Why hasn't Albion tried to take some back? I miss the bonuses but a cleric can't take back a relic alone.

Who says that we haven't tried? but maybe we failed every time because 10fg of mids popped up even before we got to 2nd door?

 

[Tigerius]

Originally posted by Repent
I was there, I was watching the alb alliance chat a few hours be4 they lost all there relics, the GM of DK urged albs to take some keeps back or we wake up with no relics, no one botherd after a few hours of talks, next day no relics, Arnor is right

This was when, 4am? So what if people choose to go to sleep instead of doorbashing at an obscene hour. We did loose the relics because noone cared to put the game over IRL, question is if it's you or us who should be proud? Twat :great:

 

[quinthar]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
Of course it's also helpful when my cleric's pets are more powerful

Erm, am I missing something ere?

 

[Belomar]

Originally posted by Urme the Legend
Yay! You did the exact same thing as midgard 09:00CET you brought 250albs to mjollnir broke the doors and got the alb relic.. and you wanted to prove that you could get all relics at the same time, just as Midgard did. But you failed!

If it hadn't been for the bug on SoS (which, btw, has happened to my groups a few times as well since the new patch), those relics would all be safely resting inside Excalibur. Bummer!

 

[Cap'n Sissyfoo]

Maybe Aligro should arrange the next relic raid. Instead of an all day raid in Caer Sidi he should arrange an all day raid to get our relics back.

 

[old.Ramas]

Of course it's also helpful when my cleric's pets are more powerful

Erm, am I missing something ere?

Clerics can get up to 7 Armsman, Paladin, Merc, Reaver, Wiz, Theurg, Cabalist, Sorc, Friar, Mincer, Scout, Infil or Necro Pets.

Some people insist on refering to them as 'other albion players'. But those people are missing the point. They all basically function as xp/rp gathering devices for the cleric, just like other pets. Only cleric pets have particularly bad pathing.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.Ramas
Clerics can get up to 7 Armsman, Paladin, Merc, Reaver, Wiz, Theurg, Cabalist, Sorc, Friar, Mincer, Scout, Infil or Necro Pets.

Some people insist on refering to them as 'other albion players'. But those people are missing the point. They all basically function as xp/rp gathering devices for the cleric, just like other pets. Only cleric pets have particularly bad pathing.