Whats up with albs?

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by old.Odysseus
Exempt from Dragon Knights guildchat tonight:

FFS!!!! NOOOO
AHMMM OMFG NOOOO
I FRIGGIN MEZZ A FG AND THE WIZZIE AOES THEM NOO!!!
MORON!!!

aoe nuke on top of aoe mez ... sigh

i think that sums up a lot of things.

Syptoms of AoE sickness..

Root causes: /effects none (needed in zergfights.. not so essential if you go elsewhere but still probably quite helpful)
"What's a mezz anyway?" syndrome - lack of sorcerors. Most wizards won't have worked with a sorc before, just be used to blasting the hell out of the enemy before they get killed.

 

[bf_kate]

Gwari has hit the nail on the head. To add insult to injury please notice that not only do we need 5 classes to get the right mix but 3 of the five are cloth wearers (compaired to one from mid or hib) and on top of that our poor cloth wearers get no stun (and our realm gets no aoe ranged stun)! In the end you really need two clerics as we are supposed to heal 3 cloth wearers and stun So we need 6 characters. Next patch only gets worse with Hib having more CC added and Alb having the decent Cleric instant pbaoe mez replaced by a gimp castable Minstrel aoe mez. Dunno how that is balanced. That is the closest I will get to whining. I do still think that an Alb group can do well if everyone is working together. Big if though.


Funny story (well wasn't funny at the time). Dunno if this is the situation that Ody was talking about, but the other day Quib landed a perfect mez down on 1FG+ of NP (we were one group). It was beautiful. Sub, Xana, Jawz all just standing there looking silly (actually don't remember exactly who is was but was all NP ppl). Then it happened. Big blue lighning raining down on all of them. The shock, the disbelief. Poor Quib was down before I could blink. Our minstrel used SoS and some of us got away. The cleric (won't name him) died, released, disbanded and logged before anyone could say a word. I think he realized pretty quickly what he had done . Gotta love smite clerics. I am sure this happens in Mid too, but you have to feel for the sorcerer with his cloth armour, no instants, no stun. Quib was very relaxed about it, dunno how he puts up with it. I couldn't play a sorcerer.

 

[Radghast]

i do belive that judicious use of the /assist macro would solve these silly breakin mezz mistakes. when a Random RvR group is formed might be a idea to assign a lead tank (PvE stlye) then have everyone make a macro /assist *insert tank name* make sure that it's a person who people know wont go break the mezz on a hero if a bard is right next to them, then it should be a case of...hit assist macro, /stick or cast DD, keep going until the nme are a lying in a heap before u...what does everyone think? anyone already using this? and if so how does it work?

 

[bf_kate]

Might be an idea to use the macro on the cleric instead. That way hopefully your sorc gets a nice mez off, the cleric targets the char he is going to stun and then all go to town on that char. I don't know if the tanks I group with go by this or just wait for the sparkley effects

The times where you have the leasure to do this are few and far between with purge/resists, but it is still a good idea.

 

[Tigerius]

There are alot of sad larger issues but although better knowing I'd almost like to say something was especially rotten in the state of Albion last night. I scrolled back in my history logs times and times over and it just didn't equate how fast people died, how fast I died. I just couldn't find enough damage in my log nor could I see enough AoE spam and enemies to explain how so many albs could die so fast. Once was fighting Wurens group at Sauvage road, and once fighting CE at Boldiam lord. I mean I know better than to say that something really was bugged but it just had a weird feeling to it like final scenes in hollywood movies when people just drop a bit TOO easy because it suits the ending of the story.

Anyway just ranting here trying to deal with it in my own little way...

 

[quinthar]

I was RvRin the other night with some guildies and I could have sworn the pally had assist on me, cuz everytime I went for a caster he was there, we got whacked a few times, but more often than not he was there.

It turned out that he did not have assist but simply went for the caster type everytime.

I always try to go for the caster types, sometimes you dont always get a chance cuz you dont have a mezzer, but we still try.

/Assist is prolly the most under utilised macro there is.
And I do agree that /macro Assist /assist tankbloke is a must.

The main problem is that we are rarely able to get sorcs on a regular basis, people use /effects self/none all the time.

 

[Tyka]

Damnit they found out our secret, /assist.....

Here is another tip, when you're going to break mez, make sure its with a stun or at least at least a 500+ dmg hit, otherwise it's better to leave the enemy mezzed.

 

[old.Laryssa]

Originally posted by old.Anarki
No leader + No leading guild +No teamwork + Not balanced groups + Nerfed classes = Chaos in RvR

you forgot the +newbie :sleeping:

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by bf_kate
Might be an idea to use the macro on the cleric instead. That way hopefully your sorc gets a nice mez off, the cleric targets the char he is going to stun and then all go to town on that char. I don't know if the tanks I group with go by this or just wait for the sparkley effects

The times where you have the leasure to do this are few and far between with purge/resists, but it is still a good idea.

It's worrying that the best tactic in RvR is 'tangler-killing' ...

mezz em all, stun em and slaughter em all one at a time.

Ahh well, Hibs get more mezz next patch - but mezz by itself gets less nasty... now all we need is the Sorcerors given something interesting to do....

Fingoniel the chain-wearing slash Pygmy.

 

[old.Zoyster]

oh Wuren how kind of u to recognise Alb crapness........

Yesterday me & crew of young emain warriors took out out about 25 Hibbs at amg...outnumbering us 2:3...then did the same with Midds....a couple of times...

So Im sick of see-ing all these posts about Albs bieng crap...coz soemtimes my crew come to emain & earn liek 10K b4 releasing !!!!!

Also all i ever hear about is FC/BF this that..but fact is the I hate to point it out myself.. but GoL is pretty handy on the battlefiel too u kno...we dont all wear our colours..but u kno who we r

 

[old.Zoyster]

P.S. Dont flame me...coz there aint a midd or Hibb out there that I havent ganked at soem stage

 

[amphetamine]

Originally posted by old.Zoyster
oh Wuren how kind of u to recognise Alb crapness........

Yesterday me & crew of young emain warriors took out out about 25 Hibbs at amg...outnumbering us 2:3...then did the same with Midds....a couple of times...

So Im sick of see-ing all these posts about Albs bieng crap...coz soemtimes my crew come to emain & earn liek 10K b4 releasing !!!!!

Also all i ever hear about is FC/BF this that..but fact is the I hate to point it out myself.. but GoL is pretty handy on the battlefiel too u kno...we dont all wear our colours..but u kno who we r

u jelous others getting recognition and GoL arent

 

[bf_kate]

GoL
:wub:
herbal
gunnerr
edelia
insur
(some I forget I am sure)

some of the best people for rvr

 

[lofff]

well... albs are plain noobs when they get to rvr scene... albs jsut get sum meleers, dmgadd and haste, couple of clerics for buffs and heals and mb theurg for bubble, dont need to taunt pallys healchant does it... 95% alb population has no idea bout pbgroups, 90% refuses joining one...

few days ago playing my minstrel found meself and another 20 albs standing at amg for half an hour cos 1fg hibs where there... bolts... stuns... couldnt go tru till middies attacked em from behind and yes, on the cg ppl said they were waiting for middies to sandwich...

sorry but imho its not alb classes/realm, its just alb comunity (and how they way to exp there teaches em)

 

[Noche]

Originally posted by old.Odysseus
Exempt from Dragon Knights guildchat tonight:

FFS!!!! NOOOO
AHMMM OMFG NOOOO
I FRIGGIN MEZZ A FG AND THE WIZZIE AOES THEM NOO!!!
MORON!!!

aoe nuke on top of aoe mez ... sigh

i think that sums up a lot of things.

OUCH... Can´t remember when it happens last time to me

Prolly coz I had /effects self

Trust me, when u see how a hib shield tank (yellow con to 50) jumps on a caster, hit with sword, then chase caster all the way down (slam = ?) u got really sickening... but well... that´s better than trying to kill an armsman with a mincer, a theurgist and a cleric by his side assisting him (still can remember that 50 hero´s name... omg... wot a nightmare)

 

[Noche]

And one more thing, u got way too many caster classes,not as mid, 2 caster class, all in one and damn versatil/powerful.

 

[<Harle>]

Originally posted by K0nah
Something else to consider is mid healer gets 2? insta heals, while the lowly bard only gets to buy IP if he so desires. Sorc get lifetap, which he cant use while a zerker is beatin the shit out of him anyway.. Sorc is the r00t of all albs woes. Needs MAJOR luvvin, or give another class insta ranged aoe mezz - suggest minstrel or cleric.

Now if that poor sorc uses his lifetap and Mastery of concentration at the same time it can be a real pain... And that's only 14 (?) points compared to the 23 for IP.

 

[Tigerius]

So Lofff if you stood there at AMG for 30 mins knowing better why did you do nothing? Oh right noone listened to you or you might not have bothered. Congratulations mate you hit the Albion problem spot on. Lots of people know better but the lack of will to listen means that short term we don't get control of single battles and yes long term that people start believing untruthful things and acting on urban myths rather than facts. And there is jack shit we can do about it short of crop these people out of Albion and it really isn't within our power or rights.

Instead the decent players crop themselves out unwillingly but eventually.

 

[Arthwyr]

Here is another tip, when you're going to break mez, make sure its with a stun or at least at least a 500+ dmg hit, otherwise it's better to leave the enemy mezzed.

Wich class should break mezz with a stun o wise one ... the castable cleric stun of the guy that has to keep the entire cloth wearing community allive or the slash and board paladin who will miss his slam 9/10. The slash and board guy is probably too busy slamming the purged incoming on the casters anyhow.

 

[Lessurl]

Originally posted by Arthwyr


Wich class should break mezz with a stun o wise one ... the castable cleric stun of the guy that has to keep the entire cloth wearing community allive or the slash and board paladin who will miss his slam 9/10. The slash and board guy is probably too busy slamming the purged incoming on the casters anyhow.

Well tbh if there are purged incoming on the casters then you shouldn't even be thinkin about breakin any of the mezzes anyway.

 

[old.Wildfire]

"and same prolly goes for alpha in alb grps"

whats that you say sonny? alpha in whatnow?

Circa 2002, the terms "Alpha" and "Group" are henceforth to be considered mutually exclusive, and may not coincide within a single sentence.

 

[old.FIN]

lol Wild =)

yes, Alpha solo only =)

but used to provide also valuable info, stoped now so i dont know if he is "changed"

 

[Khalen]

95% alb population has no idea bout pbgroups, 90% refuses joining one...

You completely leave me in the dark what that has to do with RvR and someone's attitude... And furthermore the ones who get lvled that way sometimes know jackshit about how to act in other groups... If you lvl like without pbaoe groups you get to know your class more, know what you can do and can't, know what to do in hard situations.

<- Battled 3 Nightmares and 5 Succubus at once, yes you heared me right all at the same time (and survived it thanx to the people who know what to do in hard situations and me for knowing how to tank that amount of enemies)

 

[Karam_gruul]

sux

 

[old.lewstherin]

Its nice to c the community recovering from whines etc. Imo our community pwns =). And albs bastard! u have ur moments!

 

[astas83]

u wanna know whats up with albs? the classes suck ass, even the best players can't play the shitty characters well, it seems like nearly every class in mid/hib has a stun/mezz of some sort, albion has 1 ae mezzer - sorc, not many of them about and from what ive heard they usually get resisted anyway, nice job mythic keep up the nerfing of albion, remember to upgrade all the assassins tho... like they need it.



a very bored, angry, scout

 

[Tigerius]

The best players can. Old.Veeshan and Alpha can. It's just us other sucky mediocre sods that are getting the shaft. Takes more skill to get the same RP as an Alb, and you can't deny it ner ner ner

 

[old.FIN]

damn , gotta call mythic so they make my cabby flying stealthing 4500 HP AOE rooting/mezzing/stunning Killing machine

 

[Flimgoblin]

cabbies are the most versatile alb class they rock

 

[SingerOfSoul]

Originally posted by old.Laryssa


you forgot the +newbie :sleeping:

or the +person who just bought character *cough*