Whats up with albs?

[Wuren]

Dont get me wrong im not here to say u suck ect, but something dont feel right when fighting u guys.

Im with a fg passing through Amg on to the hib side when 1 fg albs intercepts us and their sorc get the first mezz in. GP was down so thougt we where in trouble. What happens?

Their tanks rush to me and breake my mezz without stun, their mages start nuking another tank, a few seconds later their casters are dead and our casters nukes the tincans and we dont lose anyone.

Now i know this could be a random event with a noob grp, but this was Grhypoon (dunno how to spell) and Eagle knights, and i see this happens alot.

Alb tanks dont go for casters/bard/druids as mids do, and with their low dmg output any hib tank can have 2-3 tanks stuck and yet kill their support classes.

And having main CC on a caster is bad imo, i usually most get mezzed when i get to friendly with a cleric.

I think somewhere along the road albs got nerfed to much.

 

[Tleilax]

Yep, very true.

Albs lose rvr battles (mostly because Alb CC chars die first) --> Albs start different alts to have more fun with new chars --> Alb realm gets unbalanced in rvr because of the lack of good CCers --> Albs move over to the other realms.

We need another CCer in albion NOT wearing paper armor.

 

[-yoda-]

Imo because many alb grps dont know how to work together its just a case of rush in and try gank the nearest person to you .

ive been in a few group when we have said "casters n healers/mezzers 1st" and when it comes to the crunch they all go for the tanks or the well known hib/mid . im sure some of the better known mids/hibs who are well respected in rvr have noticed when in a grp battle all albs might rush for the likes or elesias or madeline . and same prolly goes for alpha in alb grps . im sure lots of hibs/mids set there target for him and ignore the casters/healers of alb .

maybe its down to us albs being so used to large arys "ie zerg" when ina zerg its a case of rush in and kill maybe peeps forget when they in smaller grps zerg tactics dont work

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by Wuren
I think somewhere along the road albs got nerfed to much.

no shit Sherlock!

i do wonder when i see hibs or mids charging and our scouts n casters going for the tanks instead of the bards... firbys, like trolls make nice big distracting targets tho.. when in reality its that player-model-size-exploiting lurikeen hiding in his leg u gotta worry about...

 

[Khalen]

Albs (generalizing it because it does concern most) never learn how to play. All they ever did was zerging in emain and follow the flow to get some puny rps. The only ones I've seen capable of doing some serious damage is FC/BF (almost forgot BF). By using pure and simple strategic targets.

/me thinks albs don't know how to use strategic targets

 

[old.Mousah]

Albs dont use MA command thats why they loose every battle, they just run around hitting everything that says enemy on it....
and then come here to whine and say everyone is more uber then themselfs....

 

[old.lewstherin]

mousah .. what is MA?
btw ur ghay too =)

 

[Karam_gruul]

its most probably because i no longer play. no more 1 hit kills to skalds/warriors/hero's. (well 2 hits 2 hero's, 1 for normal life, and another for moose). tanks dont have anyone to look up to anymore, theres no leader, AKA ME.

god

nuff said.

 

[Thorinn]

Originally posted by Karam_gruul
its most probably because i no longer play. no more 1 hit kills to skalds/warriors/hero's. (well 2 hits 2 hero's, 1 for normal life, and another for moose). tanks dont have anyone to look up to anymore, theres no leader, AKA ME.

LOL you are just so uber

 

[old.Sepiritz]

Id like to see how a tank duel with nothing but epic armor and DF diamond bought weapons and F6 to slug it out would turn out, no active RA's or anything, and see how balanced the different realms tanks are and then the same with their main damage styles. Just for comparison. Anyone tried it?

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
Id like to see how a tank duel with nothing but epic armor and DF diamond bought weapons and F6 to slug it out would turn out, no active RA's or anything, and see how balanced the different realms tanks are and then the same with their main damage styles. Just for comparison. Anyone tried it?

that would be interesting, i think in that sort of contests mid would win. problem is its very hard to get that kinda thing going some noob always wants to take a swing at the big kids.

e.g. last night i got naked and was flashin my stuff trying to pull a few elf birds at around 9-10GMT, got a nice croud gathered as well as i jumped around showing off my cure posion/insta heal's normal heals. suddenly i get nuked for 4

this caused some of the higher people that hadn't been watching me messing around to think i had been a naughty boy so 5 seconds later i'm lying in the dirt trying to catch a worm in my teeth. i'm in no way bitter about this, i was naked i was messing around my choice, my risk to take. but it just goes to show what noobs can do when they don't understand whats going on (oh and then the albi mega-zerg crashed through the doors )

ofcourse i'm assuming you mean no buff's as well, but thats a different issue all together. can we get a few troll's, firbolgs and high-landers to do this? it would be worth doing if it could be done right

 

[old.Mousah]

old.lewstherin btw ur ghay too =)

Im not the one that hits like a girl and transforms into a m00se when im dying ....

http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-40041/orust/algar.gif



and Karam if your not playing anymore wtf are you doing here then?

 

[Skaven]

Originally posted by Archeon
suddenly i get nuked for 4

this caused some of the higher people that hadn't been watching me messing around to think i had been a naughty boy so 5 seconds later i'm lying in the dirt trying to catch a worm in my teeth.

Heh, sounds like last night :x

 

[old.Odysseus]

Exempt from Dragon Knights guildchat tonight:

FFS!!!! NOOOO
AHMMM OMFG NOOOO
I FRIGGIN MEZZ A FG AND THE WIZZIE AOES THEM NOO!!!
MORON!!!

aoe nuke on top of aoe mez ... sigh

i think that sums up a lot of things.

 

[old.Anarki]

No leader + No leading guild +No teamwork + Not balanced groups + Nerfed classes = Chaos in RvR

 

[old.Odysseus]

In the above mentione3d case of aoe-sickness I would add Stupidity to that list - or maybe rather calculated selfishness.

 

[splash0r]

Originally posted by Karam_gruul
its most probably because i no longer play. no more 1 hit kills to skalds/warriors/hero's. (well 2 hits 2 hero's, 1 for normal life, and another for moose). tanks dont have anyone to look up to anymore, theres no leader, AKA ME.

god

nuff said.

lol u got one kill wow

 

[Khalen]

Originally posted by old.Anarki
No leader + No leading guild +No teamwork + Not balanced groups + Nerfed classes = Chaos in RvR

jup sums it up nicely..

 

[Qte Eth]

remove nerfed classes from sum and work on other points
and ull achieve smth

 

[-Lonewolf-]

Personally I think its the fact that Alb is so large and hibs and mids are more concentrated

For the slow people less people in a realm means a greater closeness and ease of information passing down

Larger amount of people means harder for information to filter down and alot of alienation

There are always going to be bad players in a realm but to label the whole realm as useless is ludricrous

First Cohort took down well over 10 fg of hibs on Saturday night and day does that mean hibs must be useless?....no of course not

We took a fg of hibs out by their portal keep early morning Sunday only for another group to jump us and they got ganked too, not one guy died in our group

Does that mean that hibs are useless? Of course not it just means that in alb there is a larger proportion of useless players due to it being the most popular realm

I am not glorifying FC's achievements I am trying to make a point

How many times have I been mezzed to just see a Thane cast an aoe spell

Lots

Every Realm has its useless people and if people would just stop knocking there realm instead of actually doing something constructive and trying to teach people then maybe it might help in a more positive fashion instead of expecting people to just KNOW that the guy with a shield and blunt is a warden or a RM is not the same as a Spiritmaster

U forget with the easier lvlling between 40-50 ur gonna get alot of people who are less RvR trained and u forget we have been here since day 1 well most of us so if we didn't know what to do then we really would have a problem

All I am saying is have some tolerance and patience with people and maybe advise that wizard when he aoe's to not do it when he sees those little Zzz's as their group is mezzed

And when ur face a Hib group head straight for that bard and casters

Just a thought

 

[Hit ^_^]

gimme pac... and i will own u all.

 

[Kagato.]

Its easy to see what happend, in the past Albion was strongest simply due to population, Mythic then boosted mid and hibs, evening things up, but then the population differance decreased a little so the numbers werent so hugely different, Mythic continued to boost mids and especially hibs and suddenly population wasn't enough to win anymore, not against that kind of CC.

And now here we are, the mediocre population advantage is no longer enough to compensate for the nerfs to albion and boosts to mids and hibs. The game is still way too centered on CC. And Alb suck at CC, and fair enough, we have way to many dumb noobs in the realm too. But even without those breaking mezz we would still lose.

Im in no way getting at hibs or mids here, this is no one fault but mythics poor balancing of the game, they have over compensated the weaker realms and tipped the scales the other way and it needs fixing. I don't want mids or hibs nerfed, nerfing is bad, but Albion does need a boost to bring us back up on a level.

But it wont happen, Mythic will probably just hope that the expansion pack will distract everyone from this problem. Unless the Albion realms lose all relics on all servers and really get into deep shit, which could happen I guess, Mythic wont pay any attention.

 

[Quasimoto]

how can alb lack in CC..? right now, ATM, in this patch alb has the advantage cuz they can QC mez (thats not including mid).. hibs still win most fight tho...

y, cause u dont have sorcs, at all....
next patch minstrels get an aoe mezz even.. heard its useless cause it has sutch a short duration cant say but still instant mezzes last as long as casted mezzes either, mez from stealth should ammount to an allmost instant mezz (prolly hard to get spotted of u just pop out of stealth for 4 secs or whatever)

so all in all, cant say I feel sorry for you

 

[gwari]

have you ever thought why there are no sorcerors tho. People dont start a sorceror in the first place for their realm, they start a char because they think the char is fun.

Somehow tho the sorceror has never been very much appealing to people, now is that the fault of people who happen to play on albion? As a main mezzer the sorceror, as a char, lacks in overall utility compared to the healer and bard, its as simple as that.

Also like ive said before: its no wonder its hard to make a group on albion for RvR, we need 5 people in a group to get the same abilities as hibs and mids can get with 3 people. This is not a flame or nerf call, its a plain fact and design flaw of mythic imo:

For speed, pbt,healing,nukes, stun and ae mezz albs need: sorc, minstrel, theurg, cleric and a wizard.
Hibs need any caster in the realm, a bard and a warden for the same
Midgard needs a skald, healer and runemaster.

World of difference in ease of groupmaking.

Stick, lvl 50 friar.

 

[gwal]

theres much u can say about this, but one thing stands as a fact. albs main CC is provided by the sorcerer, who is wearing cloth armour. now, when our main CC is provided by some1 who can get 1 shot killed ppl get awfully tired of playing that char pretty fast (well, some do). also, it´s rather hard to protect him/her at times as a beserker only needs to hit once or twice.

other realms have got mezzers that can survive a lot more dmg than this and so can be attacked and still survive to put in a mezz.
besides from that theres all that ranged insta ae crap going on in the other realms which the sorc cant.

the fact that many alb tanks are horrible at breaking mezzes, and wizzies too ya know, doesnt really help either. ppl tend to get too excited, and even though they have been "trained" not to break mezz during xpíng this is somehow forgotten on the battlefield where the f8 (read - target nearest tank) button rules, and weapons are lifted before targeting so they cant avoid hitting whatever they target.

 

[old.FIN]

=) and just now u got them all?

Dont get me wrong im not here to say u suck ect, but something dont feel right when fighting u guys.

u r right, we albs suck in rvr .

Their tanks rush to me and breake my mezz without stun, their mages start nuking another tank, a few seconds later their casters are dead and our casters nukes the tincans and we dont lose anyone.

nothing new =) and u noticed it just a while ago? i noticed it 4 motnhs ago, when i 1st time entered RVR

Now i know this could be a random event with a noob grp

lmao, nopes, 99% alb grooups r like those =)

Albs (generalizing it because it does concern most) never learn how to play.

and thats A FACT!!!

Exempt from Dragon Knights guildchat tonight:

that part of line is in every guild chat who has sorc in RVR

No leader + No leading guild +No teamwork + Not balanced groups + Nerfed classes = Chaos in RvR

well peeps have tried to lead, they get bitched or no1 listens them

we have few good RVR guilds, but read above

well peeps play good together but read 2 lines above

not blanced groups, very true, if u dont take some1 in your group who is lfg, 1. u get bitched 2. u take him/her and u find out that a) no1 follows the driver, b) they dont listen c) they hit what they wanna d) they r lost 3. u find out that u have nerfed your whole group of 8 by taking just peeps who r yelling lfg 4. your ass is at CS platform every 5 mins

nerfed classes, bah, use tactics then it goes better

how can alb lack in CC..? right now, ATM, in this patch alb has the advantage cuz they can QC mez

well if u would do /who sorc , u will find out that 40 online, 2 emain 38 lyonesse =) and those 2 r dead all the time in RVR
rest 38 r bored to be dead 24/7 in RVR

 

[K0nah]

Something else to consider is mid healer gets 2? insta heals, while the lowly bard only gets to buy IP if he so desires. Sorc get lifetap, which he cant use while a zerker is beatin the shit out of him anyway.. Sorc is the r00t of all albs woes. Needs MAJOR luvvin, or give another class insta ranged aoe mezz - suggest minstrel or cleric.

 

[hotrat]

For speed, pbt,healing,nukes, stun and ae mezz albs need: sorc, minstrel, theurg, cleric and a wizard.
Hibs need any caster in the realm, a bard and a warden for the same
Midgard needs a skald, healer and runemaster

This is exactly what i was thinking last night. I look at the NP group who is patrolling sauvage, something like 2 skalds, 2 healers, 2 runemasters, zerker and maybe a hunter. When they kill me i get a huge spam of xxxx is covered in a sheath of earth.
Thing is to make a good mid group all u need is those 3 classes, any other like thanes, warriors, shamans are nowhere near as important.
Same goes for alb but not only do we need more classes to get the speed, pbt, healing, nukes etc but we have more useless classes as well.
Why for example is theurg and wizard 2 seperate classes, theurg has the pbt and a nice single target nuke, wizard has the nice bolts and ae nuke, runemaster gets all of these and nearsight as well. Don't say but theurg gets ae root//ae mezz cus they both sux and theurg should not be used for cc in rvr.

In conclusion alb class skills are too spread, and cleric insta mezz should be 1500 range not pbae.

 

[Killgorde]

Originally posted by hotrat
I look at the NP group who is patrolling sauvage

What the hell were they doing in FS? Alb Frontier is CE turf - bugger off back to Emain; you are ruining the flora and flora with your hobnailed boots !!!

Have to confess by the time NP showed up in FS last night most of CE had done a ten hour stretch all over Alb frontier without a release and we were kinda shattered. Thanks to all the Alb and Hib would-be keep taking crews for some great fun.

On the serious issue under discussion: Yes - Alb support classes do need some loving...especially Kate (although in her case hopefully not from Mythic )

 

[Chenuba]

Originally posted by gwari
have you ever thought why there are no sorcerors tho. People dont start a sorceror in the first place for their realm, they start a char because they think the char is fun.

Somehow tho the sorceror has never been very much appealing to people, now is that the fault of people who happen to play on albion? As a main mezzer the sorceror, as a char, lacks in overall utility compared to the healer and bard, its as simple as that.

Also like ive said before: its no wonder its hard to make a group on albion for RvR, we need 5 people in a group to get the same abilities as hibs and mids can get with 3 people. This is not a flame or nerf call, its a plain fact and design flaw of mythic imo:

For speed, pbt,healing,nukes, stun and ae mezz albs need: sorc, minstrel, theurg, cleric and a wizard.
Hibs need any caster in the realm, a bard and a warden for the same
Midgard needs a skald, healer and runemaster.

World of difference in ease of groupmaking.

Stick, lvl 50 friar.

Well said m8