Whats happening with Savage Conclave?

[old.Ayam Ganbatte]

This guild is a farce, they do not live up to their name.

'Savage'? More like 'Well Behaved'. I feel cheated by their lack of general savagery and flesh flaying and because of that I'll hold a grudge against Dozigden until the skinned cows come home.

 

[von_war]

The other side of this story !!!

It was a nice friday evening, about 2200 hrs CET. and i decided to get a little closer to the magical lvl 50. I logged on to my main char that was parked at Yar, only to find out that the Yar list at that moment was counting 35+ people.

Some of the guys that was waiting on the hill suggested that we made 2 groups and moved to lair, or at least 1 group and moved on to see if anything was happening there. US style was suggested concidering the very long list, at the present time.

We gathered 6 ppl lvl 47+ from 6 different guilds and ran to lair. When we came to lair we were shouted at, in the most uncivilised matter just for being there, standing there without doing anything else but to talk on our own group chat.

I will quote what was said: You f u c k e r s piss off we have a guild thing going on here get your ugly bodies away from lair NOW.

and:

Lair belongs to savage conclave you bastards piss off, shitheads, you leeching pigs !!!!

and i could carry on, but i see no reason for doing so.

Well our group decided to move in, and stop this nonsence of childish and unethical behaviour, as it seemed that they really had crossed a line.

I have neither in the beta game, nor in the retail version of DaoC seen or heard such language from players in midgaard, and i am really offended and sad that i heard it at that time.


First we told them to calm down, then that this place THE LAIR in malmo was a strange place to own for a guild event, as they were blocking for 35+ colleagues and their possible xp but of cause the SC members would not listen to any sence.

Then we moved on to the stone and suggested that they would let everyone play this game, so nobody would waste their time that evening, and they acted as nothing. (if they would not listen to sensible arguments this was the only solution).

They pulled (a double pull) and approx 12 drakulvs came towards the stone, and suddenly the SC members ran off with sprinting speed, after letting the 6 persons group getting the aggro. So finally we died, after having been fighting the overpower of a double pull.

After a minute when the monsters had gone, the SC heros came back an had the laugh of a lifetime, they we incredebly arrogant in their behaviour, and of cause they did not even rezz our shaman. They were just waiting for the total dominans i.e. to see us release and waiting for us to run back from galpen or somewhere else. But no we did not do so, as our backup in form of a friendly Danish shammy (not from my guild) had heard it and of cause out of normal gentlemanship came and rezzed us. Normal behavior i would say.

We went back to lair only to find out that the SC hunt ended less than 30 minutes later, but of cause they had both done some PvR against Drakulvs and some RvR against their own realm mates, from 6 different guilds.

My actions here after was to ask our own guild members to avoid SC members on any level at least until i could talk to the GM from SC, and of cause inform our Alliance leader about this outrageous behavior towards fellow realm mates.

Then the next night i was contacted by Dozigden the GM of SC, and we had a discussion about it. I am utmost sorry to tell that his language was only a little cleaner/better than the language spoken at lair on friday night. This discussion ended without any solution, we decided to end the discussion before one of us exploded and might say something uggly that we could regret later (that was a civilized decision), and what i was after was no money, no items, just an APOLOGY from SC but that never came. So we still have status quo on this matter, i am sad to say.

Then why do i make so much fuss about it:

Well, as i was the only GM present in lair at that time, i think it is my job to stop unjustice, and to keep midgaard as clean as possible from un-ethical play, and fun killing play. As a grown up i cannot and do not accept such childish behavior from players, i am just happy that i am neither in guild nor in alliance with them.

Further more i cannot understand why their GM is not MAN enough to give an appology, to get this affair out of the world, i mean an appology does not cost XP nor money or ?? does it ?

I am supported by my entire guild, as we from DH dont go around and kill own forces

I would compare the SC hunt with the fact that if we would like to have a hunt, let us say in varulvhamn we would put 1 char at the entrance telling all others to stay out for 5 hours just to keep, those levels that normally go there from xp'ing and we could own the cave for the time we wanted. I would not dream to do so. When we have guild hunts in DH where we have taken others into our groups that could not find a group at the present time and place. Gentlemanship that is, but this word or term might be unknown to SC, i fear.

As i have seen SC and DH is about the same size in player numbers, not in lvl 50'ies. I dont mind, I would rather play with sensible and intelligent grown ups than with crazy and unpolite kids. But i wonder why the SC board of directors did not learn their guildies some decent manners. I can just hope for the better in the future.


Morale: You never know what will happen here in life, neither in DaoC, some days are bad days and some days are good days. Let us hope for the latter.

cya online, for good and fair play i hope.

vonwar
GM-DH

 

[von_war]

Another version to the story part 2

As a matter of fact i forgot in my anger to write about the last similar thing that happened.

On friday the 6th of December the guild United Warlords were pulling the same stunt at lair. They must have learned about this from somewhere or it is a coincidence

BUT:

A BIG DIFFERENCE HERE:

1). They nicely told ppl that they had a guild think going on there.

2). They told ppl to start 2 groups more so that 2 spots cold be pulled from within the lair.

3). They informed rest of us in malmo when they stopped playing at lair, so that new groups could go and xp there.

I am really happy to see such responsible and good behavior, politeness and gentlemanship. I am happy to have such a guild amongst us, I salute you United Warlords, you have found out what this is all about !!!

looking forward to seeing you online

vonwar
GM-DH

 

[Glyph_mid]

Ok, didnt think it should come down to lying like that , so i guess the log with Vonwards and Dozigdens conversation have to be posted...a sad man indeed

[23:16:35] @@You send, "lo, are you vonwars alt?" to Vigdis
[23:16:49] @@Vigdis sends, "hello, yes it is me "
[23:17:51] @@Vigdis sends, "how can i help you, are you the guildmaster of Savage Conclave ?"
[23:18:19] @@You send, "I am yes. you obviously know what im talking about then" to Vigdis
[23:18:3 @@Vigdis sends, "yes indeed i do"
[23:19:34] @@Vigdis sends, "what i saw from your guys yesterday towards colleagues from 6 other guild was outrageous, i have neither in the beta game or after the release seen that behavior from anybody in the realm of Midgaard"
[23:19:47] @@You send, "well dont know what to say really - you obviously have a big problem with sc letting you die" to Vigdis
[23:19:51] @@Turmio says, "hyvä viitta"
[23:20:07] @@You send, "why theres been plenty of guild only groups before" to Vigdis
[23:20:38] @@Vigdis sends, "so i have merely drawn the concequence to ask our members to avoid yours for the time beeing until you and i have discussed this matter and settled it"
[23:22:02] @@Vigdis sends, "not letting me die but a group die there, a mixed group from 6 guilds, i can inform you that we saw it like a provocation to normal lair behavior to let more and more ppl go there to fight especially when it is a friday night in prime time"
[23:22:54] @@You send, "Everybody there was told repeatedly it was guild only - we only let the leeching group die after 5 pulls with them leeching" to Vigdis
[23:23:08] @@You send, "im afraid i dont see the problem" to Vigdis
[23:23:5 @@You send, "why should our group suffer leechers?" to Vigdis
[23:24:07] @@Vigdis sends, "that is a lie, we died in the second pull, secondly the same could occur if another guild, ours or another, found it funny to take spindel for 5 hours just from preventing others from xp"
[23:25:07] @@Vigdis sends, "we were not leechers down there, it was clearly told to your ppl, that yar and h stones are 1 thing, lair when there is a list of more than 30 ppl in yar and it is prime time, is no guilds private property"
[23:25:15] @@You send, "SC said several times if people put together a group that could do the spot we'd leave" to Vigdis
[23:25:54] @@Vigdis sends, "what happened as i saw it, a double pull wás made by SC and they then ran like hell, from the stone area"
[23:27:02] @@You send, "yes - i've seen that used many time to get rid of leechers" to Vigdis
[23:27:32] @@You send, "at one point we had the yar spot - we left when enough others turned up to do it" to Vigdis
[23:27:45] @@Vigdis sends, "but it is very simple, either you give an apology to us, or we just stay as much out of your way as possible, and we will try to make our alliances 20 guilds to do the same, not for the benefit of midgaard, but to prevent other guilds, from"
[23:28:03] @@Vigdis sends, "doing such unethical behavior"
[23:28:15] @@Vigdis sends, "and for the third time Nobody were leeching"
[23:28:29] @@Vigdis sends, "there were enough wolwes for all "
[23:28:33] @@You send, "you were leeching from our guild only group" to Vigdis
[23:28:53] @@Vigdis sends, "one thing is to leave a spot, another is to get other ppl killed on purpose"
[23:29:18] @@You send, "50% of our group was made up of lvl50 characters giving their time to help our yonger members 0 why should you benefit from that? bring your own lvl50s if thats what you want" to Vigdis
[23:29:27] @@Vigdis sends, "listen this is a game not our life, why make the game bad for others"
[23:30:31] @@Vigdis sends, "we may not have as many lvl 50 in our guild as you hav in yours, but ours do help out too, it is never a wasted time to help out guild mates"
[23:31:11] @@You send, "you were leeching the effort our lvl50s were putting in to help our members - i would never expect YOUR lvl50s to level OUR members if they didnt want to" to Vigdis
[23:31:13] @@Vigdis sends, "i merely just try to ask you nicely not to get realm mates killed for no reason, next time it could be the other way around"
[23:31:43] @@Vigdis sends, "well as a matter of fact they have done so several times"
[23:31:44] @@You send, "MY guild would never try to steal XP from a guild only event" to Vigdis
[23:31:53] @@Vigdis sends, "in raumarik, and in malmo"
[23:31:59] @@Vigdis sends, "we are not so greedy "
[23:32:4 @@You send, "last night YOU PERSONALLY displayed amazingly greedy behaviour." to Vigdis
[23:32:47] @@Vigdis sends, "we are grown up men, minimum age are 18 years of age you know for our guild, i think it is the only guild that have such rules"
[23:32:53] @@Vigdis sends, "no we did not"
[23:33:25] @@You send, "you took XP from our group. you cant dispute that." to Vigdis
[23:33:26] @@Vigdis sends, "it was agreed to move in by all 6 of us, and as i was the only GM there, i reported it to the alliance immediately"
[23:33:54] @@Vigdis sends, "no we did not, we started up us style as you normally do when malmo is too crowded"
[23:34:31] @@Vigdis sends, "now i am just making some action on this matter, the other guys were ordinary members of their guilds"
[23:34:43] @@Vigdis sends, "and therefor it is me who is talking to you now"
[23:34:48] @@Vigdis sends, "and not the others"
[23:34:58] @@You send, "if you were running your own US style then you wouldnt have died - as we said, if you had enough people for the spot we would have left it - as we did the yar spot" to Vigdis
[23:35:31] @@Vigdis sends, "we would not have died if SC had not made a double pull and run away afterwards it is as simple as that"
[23:35:43] @@You send, "talking of others; we told prehaps 30 people over the course of the night and YOU were the only person who had a problem with that." to Vigdis
[23:36:0 @@You send, "no - leechers rarely die while leeching cos they dont do much damage" to Vigdis
[23:36:27] @@You send, "we were doing double pulls all evening - becasue our group of lvl50s could handle it" to Vigdis
[23:37:11] @@Vigdis sends, "do you know what our group concisted of, it was 5 lvl 48 and 1 lvl 47"
[23:37:19] @@Vigdis sends, "so no rookies there"
[23:37:32] @@You send, "then they should have all known not to leech" to Vigdis
[23:38:33] @@You send, "infact we got apologies from some of them afterwards because they didnt realise - from that i can only conclude that YOU put that group together, and hence got hem killed with your own leeching" to Vigdis
[23:38:47] @@Vigdis sends, "we did not think so, and you know what the double pull and the running off was not even the worst part, that was that you came back and looked disgustingly at the bodies without doing something about it"
[23:38:57] @@Vigdis sends, "i was NOT the group leader"
[23:39:13] @@Vigdis sends, "i did NOT put the group together"
[23:39:47] @@You send, "then i suggest you complain to whoever it was who seemed to think leeching was a good idea" to Vigdis
[23:39:48] @@Vigdis sends, "i was JUST a member there, but i refuse to keep my mouth shut because a guild like yours think you own a spot like lair"
[23:40:13] @@You send, "as said many times - we'd move if a group came along" to Vigdis
[23:40:15] @@Vigdis sends, "i cannot and you know why, i did not get the chat log saved, if i had i would have done so"
[23:41:01] @@Vigdis sends, "i am sorry this cannot be redone, so i can only say i hope that it will never happend again"
[23:42:38] @@You send, "Yup, i hope youve learnt not to leech." to Vigdis
[23:42:59] @@Vigdis sends, "yup i have learned that i will avoid your guys in the future"
[23:43:16] @@Vigdis sends, "and i hope that many others will follow my decision"
[23:43:26] @@You send, "lol" to Vigdis
[23:43:27] @@Vigdis sends, "until you learn to play fair game again"
[23:44:03] @@You send, "i dont thin youll find many people will avoid us, but if all the people who do are leechers too ill be glad of it." to Vigdis
[23:44:57] @@Vigdis sends, "stop that leeching speak, it is not true and you know it you are killers of realm mates in battle, and i would not trust you in a real battle, that is for sure"
[23:45:29] @@Vigdis sends, "and one thing more, let us end the discussion now so we will not say things we might regret later"
[23:45:59] @@You send, "im sorry the truth obviously hurts you. agreed im logging now." to Vigdis


Notice how Vonwar COMPLETELY ignores the fact that actually did offer several times if they got enough people we would be outta there. And notice how Dozigdens badmouths all the time

 

[Mikal]

I have to respond to this

I cannot believe anything Vonwar states in his post
I was down exp'ing at yar 30 mins prior to this guildevent, and that friday was exceptionally quiet, at that time there where not enough people to do US style and infact I was the very first person on the list at yar. And normally the list doesn't grow from 1 to 35+ people in 2 hours

Also, such bad language will never come from a member of SC, people in our guild will most likely be reproached for saying "fuck" on /gu.

and here's an important fact
It was shouted repeatly that SC were on a guildevent, and should any normal malmo exp'ers gather enough people to exp at lair, we would gladly move to give them the spot
And notice how vonwar manages to ignore this fact everytime dozigden brings it up in their conversation

I had a nasty LD leading to my death, so at the time of the incident with vonwar and his group, I was working my way back into malmo. However I refuse to believe that all of SC's members suddenly change behaviour while I wasn't there (I have no important position in the guild) especially if Dozigden was there, he's the most behaved and levelheaded troll I know

As for DH not having having to do with SC, since that day I have grouped with several DH's and even you Vonwar, their Gm, who have issued the order, have no problem with accepting my res in rvr

as for malmo etiquette, it is NOT normal malmo bahaviour to make your own group and just butt in where you feel like it, without getting approval first, or at least not against the present group's disapproval

 

[von_war]

what ever you say you have demonstraded a very bad behavior and you (sc) is too snobbish to give any appology, i am merely a messenger as no other from the group did have the energy to complain.

As a GM it is my duty to lead men, to train them, and to make them survive. like in real life in my job, so i dont want to argue. I have one opinion you have another.

Sad thing happend and you obviousely dont want to settle things only make the things worse.

I dont have to write here, actually i normally hardly look in theese forums, I have a life, and a guild to see to, best thing about this is that we surely can manage without SC, i hardly met them anyway on my way around midgaard, so why should that be a problem now. You go your way and i go mine,

but you could learn a lot from a guild like united warlords, they know how to behave. (see part2) of the saga.

vonwar
GM-DH

 

[von_war]

Originally posted by Mikal
I have to respond to this

I cannot believe anything Vonwar states in his post
I was down exp'ing at yar 30 mins prior to this guildevent, and that friday was exceptionally quiet, at that time there where not enough people to do US style and infact I was the very first person on the list at yar. And normally the list doesn't grow from 1 to 35+ people in 2 hours

Also, such bad language will never come from a member of SC, people in our guild will most likely be reproached for saying "fuck" on /gu.

and here's an important fact
It was shouted repeatly that SC were on a guildevent, and should any normal malmo exp'ers gather enough people to exp at lair, we would gladly move to give them the spot
And notice how vonwar manages to ignore this fact everytime dozigden brings it up in their conversation

I had a nasty LD leading to my death, so at the time of the incident with vonwar and his group, I was working my way back into malmo. However I refuse to believe that all of SC's members suddenly change behaviour while I wasn't there (I have no important position in the guild) especially if Dozigden was there, he's the most behaved and levelheaded troll I know

As for DH not having having to do with SC, since that day I have grouped with several DH's and even you Vonwar, their Gm, who have issued the order, have no problem with accepting my res in rvr

as for malmo etiquette, it is NOT normal malmo bahaviour to make your own group and just butt in where you feel like it, without getting approval first, or at least not against the present group's disapproval

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We Rammster and Vonwar are sorry to have said yes to your rezz, we did not notice until after the rezz, and well a rezz of realm colleagues is a normal thing to do in the frontier isnt it ?

Rammster said to me afterwards: if i had seen who rezzed me i probably should have said no.

so i am very sorry to have received a rezz from you, but thanks for your generous act. I will remember you as a friendly person.

You at least demonstrate civilized and polite language.

best regards

vonwar
GM-DH

ps. Normally after 11 months of playing i have not exprienced anything like this. not at all.

The only thing i have done here is to dare to write my side (the 6 ppl group's) of this story. I am sorry for opening my mouth, but i thaught that it should be open for all to say their opinion here.

 

[Toran Ulfvenson]

talking bout childish behavior...

In other games you guys'd been kicked or banned from a server for similar behavior. At no point you had enough people to do on your own at that spot and all this flaming doesn't help with putting yourself in a righteous light either.

Getting you guys killed was the only way to keep you from leeching on after fruitless and numerous attempts to stop you with words.

With a normal multi-guild Yar group you hadn't tried that since a) they might handled the situation the same way as us and b) you'd pissed off not one but several guilds with your behavior.

I think any further discussion is futile and people got a good enough picture of what happened and what to think of SC and what not.

 

[-dewey-]

Vonwar, why don't you post screenies/logs of what happened then you will have some hard evidence. I would personally be astounded if you showed some proof of what you claimed happened regarding the language and behavior of SC members. I for one would definatly start a chat log and take screenies if I saw behavior like that from ANYONE, not to prove what happened but to laugh at it afterwards with friends.

 

[von_war]

Hey again,

To answer the last article here, i can only regret that i did not take any screenshots and i did not tape any chat logs. Really a fault of me, as for what i can see from here, unfortunately it is not popular to be the single person with another opinion than 99 % of the readers here.

So i cannot prove anything, no it is bad luck for me, i would wish i could, it would have been a lot easier then.

To correct some assumptions i have read, after i dared to write inhere in public, my guys in guild were not ordered to keep themselves away from SC, I have informed them about the happening and as they are grown ups, (we have hardly no members below the age of 18 years) they for themselves can decide how/who/where to group, with or without SC, simple as that. If i have mentioned the word ordered, i am sorry my english is not good enough.

vonwar
GM-DH

 

[Gerta Ugbash]

never had a problem with SC, good set of people, always been fun and helpful,

/em cheer (from an on looker who doesn't play)

keep it up

 

[Irgil]

OMFG this is so silly....

SC you got my support on this issue, what DH´s GM is doing is making a complete fool of himself, if they hadent leeched they wouldnt have got killed, since you only get aggro if u have caused some damage to the mob.

every member of SC i have met are great players and have never badmouthed or said anything offensive as long as i have known them.

that is all from me at this moment....

/salute to Savage Conclave

 

[ImLestat]

I have to agree with my fellow guildmate Irgil here. This is indeed silly. You are waiting for an apology from someone that has done nothing wrong? You yourself said that you started up US style at lair, without the consent of those at that spot at that time. That means that you did deal damage to the mobs and got aggro in the so many times mentioned double pull, and of course died of it. I'm sorry, but I'm switching between being upset at this behaviour, and giggling at the stupidity of it. The death that you got there can't be blamed on anyone else but yourself, YOU (as in your group) got aggro yourself. Had you not been leeching the drakulvs would have ran after the SC's instead. Nah, you are just a cry baby thinking that everyone should abide by your rules. And then issuing an order that guild members should have nothing to do with SC members, that's even more silly. As a Gm of a guild (yes, I've been Gm of another guild some time ago) I would never tell anyone in my guild who they can and can not spend their time with. Well, this just goes to show how silly this really is.

Aside from that I also have to agree with what has been said. SC as I know them are one of the most fair guilds I know in our realm. They've got to my knowledge some strict rules in their guild limiting bad behaviour very effectively. I really do have a hard time picturing them standing at lair shouting insults, espescially if Dozi was present.

Wouldn't at all surprise me if you now issued an order that your members can't ever get near to any members of guilds that had members that posted their opinions in favour of SC in this thread. Careful though, you might end up with a guild that can only interact with yourselves. Lol.... Well, this thread is so silly that I've got to add something silly myself.

Edit: Spelling.

 

[old.Ozird Rinfut]

I cant add much really than my guildies added here...

But what makes me sad is that DH members is sad that SC rezzed them in RvR? OMFG what is this bullshit? We are one realm, you intruded on a SC guild event. Get over it, you messed up, dont try to drag the SC's down just because of this.
As you said you died in the 2nd pull, well then its yer own fault.

Yes I was in malm that night, sat by the stone at lair and chatted with the SC, and a few people jumped up on the stone got told that this is a guild event, and were told to please stop leeching.

This whole discussion is silly, please drop it before you make a complete fool of yerself.

[edit: spelling]

 

[dozigden]

To be honest looking at Vonwars posts above I dont know what to say - His posts arent even consistant with themselves. There are so many holes I dont not which ones to point out!

Not least of which is his attitude that he seems to approve of another guild running guild hunts in malmo but he was adament when we were there that we shouldnt be allowed to!

However the absolute worst part of this post (ignoring the personal attacks on myself - the above post of our log disproves what vonwar claims) is his claiming of foul language from SC members, SC as a guild has _very_ strict language rules, as im sure members will attest - people will generally be asked to keep it clean even if theyre just using common internet abbreviations like "ffs" etc.

Lair belongs to savage conclave you bastards piss off, shitheads, you leeching pigs !!!!

Language such as this would result in (something i have never had to do in the history of our guild) instant demotion, or even further disciplinary messures. As people above have pointed out i was present during the entire event.

Vonwar you repeatedly make comments about how youve played since beta - I find it hard to believe that if youre so experienced (AND a GM) you havent learnt to turn on the log and take screen shots. Until I see evidence (or compelling arguement) as to what SC did wrong I will not be continuing this discussion as I do not believe youre capable of discussing this in a reasonable manner.

I'm sorry but I feel compelled to post the following

[22:20:00] @@Shabish yells, "DO NOT PULL"
[22:20:02] @@Terror says, "you cant reserve this spot m8s, its rediculous"
[22:20:03] @@Wyrm yells, "LIKE A GUILD CAN TAKE THIS SPOT FROM OTHERS?"
[22:20:14] @@Shabish yells, "ANY ONE NOT SC SHOULD NOT BE HITTING"
[22:20:18] @@Vonwar says, "since when does ANY guild own a malmo spot ???"
[22:20:18] @@Anja says, "ok, let them pull then?"
[22:20:19] @@Terror says, "lllllllloooooooooollllllllllll"
[22:20:25] @@Toran says, "well then build up a group or 2 and pull?"
[22:20:26] @@Lothiel says, "noone was here when we came and we moved from yar when other wanted it"
[22:20:33] @@Terror says, "its us style for heavens sake"
[22:20:40] @@Shabish says, "its a guild hunt!"
[22:20:41] @@Terror says, "so ???"
[22:20:48] @@Vonwar says, "this place and yar are very official for all guilds i assume"
[22:20:49] @@Shabish says, "guild only"
[22:20:51] @@Lothiel yells, "when you got enough for US - you can have the spot"
[22:20:52] @@Grimstone yells, "we are a group of 5"
[22:20:52] @@Toran says, "As soon you bring enough people to get hunt with you the place is yours"
[22:21:01] @@Vonwar says, "i could not find that rule in the manual sorry"
[22:21:09] @@Terror says, "so all who comes her eif its us style is entiteld to be here"
[22:21:11] @@Vonwar says, "now you are acting quite stupid"
[22:21:25] @@Lothiel says, "if you want the spot - get the groups together"
[22:21:35] @@Vonwar says, "well we can sit here till tomorrow morning at 06.00 hrs i dont care"


And in conclusion one final word: Libel

 

[svendoc]

A savages View, apologies boss man I tried not too :/

I have been fighting with myself not to post and fuel this pathetic argument, but unfortunately I went out and got drunk so find it harder to stop myself ( really sorry Doz, oh excellent GM lvl headed person that you are)

I am sorry but Von_war you either
1) suffer from amnesia
2) are too junvenile to comprehend the situation
3) are a plan out and out liar

I do not care which to be honest, your perception as you wrote it of the Malmo incident is so far from what Savage Conclave stands for and how we behave as a community its laughable, then to go on and issue Guild commands to cease all contact with Savage Conclave just goes to prove what a reactionary character you trully are.

I wish you well in the future and hope you mature somewhat to see anotherts perspective as you do not appaer to have this ability.

NB: Dozigden Is the farest Player GM or not I have ever met in the game and whilst all around him lose there heads ( ie, Savages wanting to lash out at you [ me included ] he keeps his head, as usual)

Savage Conclave are the luskiest guild in midgard thanx again and again Doz (and we have Shabish )

My sig may change to Very very proud to be a member of SC

 

[ImLestat]

Lol, I forgot to add one thing in the above post.

Its MIDGARD not MIDGAARD.

 

[old.Gromnir]

Maybe if I close my eyes this silliy thing will go away

 

[Glyph_mid]

I keep getting invited by DHs in emain so thats great
Last one who invited me was Rammster, so i guess its only VERY few, if not hidden people, who dont want to have contact with us

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

<--- Shamelessly sits on fence

I've quite openly said before that Savage Conclave are the guild other guilds want to be when they grow up. SC is a fine guild with many fine players and a thoroughly professional attitude when it comes to relieving enemies of hitpoints. And a bloody good laugh too. Kinda feel sorry for Albs and Hibs when I see the SC cloak in the frontier.

Dozi, a secret: it isn't your cloak that makes your ass look big. Sorry mate. If you ever move on, a career in Tokyo wearing strange looking nappies awaits.

Danish Huscarls are also a fine guild. I've grouped with many of their people, Vonwar too, and had a blast and a nice time. I've known some of these guys since the orginal guild peeps. In the early days I was beginning to think that every Dane on the server played a dwarf and use to think there was some national fetish about dorfs. You got no idea how relieved I was to finally see a troll in Danish Huscarls. (I remember grouping with a full group of DH around level 20ish. All dorfs. 1 of them roleplaying being drunk while he was sober. Bizarre and extremely funny - he would stop hitting a mob because he needed to pee and doing other fun stuff).

Its been really heartening to see DH rebuilding and growing again and starting to have a larger presence once more and a very noticable effect when they show up for alliance hunts and stuff.

It would be a shame to have a couple of fine guilds fall out about something which is, I'm sorry to say, fairly trivial.

I'm disappointed this thread even exists. Its not my place to say what people should do, this is between SC and DH. However, I really hope you guys can work this out.

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
[B (I remember grouping with a full group of DH around level 20ish. [/B]

Haha I actually did that once with my dwarf thane when I was in DH. It was in yggdra if I remember correctly.

 

[dozigden]

Ok I've just spoken to Vonwar in game, the one thing we can agree on is that this whole situation has just gotten out of hand.

Vonwar and myself have decided that its best to just forget about this whole subject - a lot of people are getting involved here who shouldnt be, and one way or another this could get damaging to the whole realm.

If SC is the sort of guild Vonwar believes then he will have logs and screen shots in abundance in no time at all from future events, given our size. At which time he can have as many apologies from me as he likes.

I am of course convinced that will not be happening

Vonwar is going to be posting here to confirm sometime later - in the mean time I'd like to ask that people just let this thread die - as it should have done a long time ago.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Thats right Gombur, hunting Ettins along the lake shore and stuff. Was fun

 

[[SC]Tzikas[Mid]]

Re: The other side of this story !!!

First of all, I am sorry to go against your wishes like this Dozigden, but I cannot leave the lies and insults von_war chose to throw in our faces just die away without answering them.

The main problem I see, disregarding the lies and insults for now, is that von_war obviously thinks that if 20ish or so people are pulling at either spot in Malmo, and another group grows tired of waiting, that second group can simply decide that "Lets pull US style from now". Personally, I disagree. It is up to the group(s) allready pulling to decide wether or not they wanna switch from the conventional style and into US style or not. Ofc, I do hope that most groups care enough about their fellow realm mates, and their own xp, to cease any opportunity they have to pull US style, as it is both faster and to some extent safer. However, I assure you von_war, and I think I speak for almost every player out there when I say, bossing a organized group about and DEMANDING that they change to US style isn't going to get you anywhere.

Then again, you didn't even demand that the SC group in Malmo should change to US style. You just took it for granted that because you wanted XP, even though you didn't have enough people with you to get it for yourself, everyone else in Malmo should do everything in their power to provide you with it. As it clearly shows from the logs, SC members, several different members, said more than once that once you got enough people to pull on your own, you could have the pull spot.

And then, after all this, you come onto the forums, and you "quote" stuff that SC members supposedly said. Many people in Malmo that night had chatlogs on, and neither of the logs show anything that even resembles what you claim was shouted at you, so I am asking you right now, edit your post, remove the lies aimed at SC members, and apologize for being childish enough to post them in the first place.

This game is, after all, just a game, and I don't see any reason to become angry with, or pissed off at, other players for their actions. If someone is a jerk, ok, then that guy is a jerk, end of story as far as I am concerned. If he thinks I am a jerk and says so, fine, moving on, he's allowed to think that. But when someone, in this case you von_war, goes onto a public forum and posts blatant lies about friends of mine, insults those same friends of mine gravely, and at the same time preaches about how "mature" he himself and his guild is, then I think I should let you in on one of lifes many secrets. Your age does not make you mature, your behaviour does. So take your lies, your insults and your childish, immature behaviour and sod off. To me you are nothing but a sad, pathetic liar.

[EDIT: Some typos]

 

[von_war]

End of discussion

Hello folks,

Well this, i recon will be my last post in this thread. I have discuseed the matter with Dozigden and we have sorted things out among us. So the same night i informed my guild that the DH/SC "crisis" had been solved and was ended.

Now if you still want to shoot at me here, i will probably not even see it, as i earlier on wrote, that i am a very rare reader of this forum. So you are welcome to let the thread die for my sake too.

Just want to state one thing here: There is no hate, bad or harsh feelings from my side towards Dozigden, and i feel after our conversation online, sunday night that he feels the same.

RGDS

Von War