what rvr spec and why

[-Nuked-]

ok this post is to decide my elds fate basically its like this -

he is currently lvl39 with full void - when i reach 50 i was originally planing on

47void
rest light

but saying that ... is it actually worth it - i mean ... void AOE=slow...bolts dont work in a "hib zerg" and so im left with a DD

Light DD hits harder then void DD + putting full points in light would give me a longer aoe mezz and i would put mini dings and additional points into mana which should give me a higher dmg AOE then that of void! BUT would mean i dont stand a chance of getting in any kind of baf mob group from lvl40-50 (if they know my spec)

the last option i have seen is full mana spec with rest in light - problem with this is - im not a cookie cutter fan i dont want to stand on top of a mob/alb/mid to kill something - if i wanted to do that i would have made a Shade/tank. (but of course means ill get groups to lvl50 easy, at the expence of hating my final spec)

before you all post go full mana plz realise i do actually really really hate it. but if you honestly think its the best idea post it, or any additional idea's would be helpful.

if this has been posted b 4 im sorry just need some idea's
alliance tried now its your turn

 

[Novamir]

light to last DD
rest mana

 

[Lessurl]

Well, i can only comment on 2 specs i've tried.

My old spec 46 void rest light worked ok, nice bolts when they worked, with +light capped could use lvl 50 baseline light dd, nearsight and a decentish aoe mez. Gtaoe which was v-nice if you could get inside a sieged keep also handy for poppin stealthers at mg and the ranged aoe.


My current spec, 45 light mana 28 which gives best light dd, second best aoe mez, best range debuff, a pbaoe with slightly more dmg than void aoe and the first aoe str/con debuff.

i would recommend either of these specs, tho with the first one you will feel the major drain on your mana of the lvl 50 baseline light dd tho with it's faster cast than spec you can drop things about as fast, if not faster sometimes than if u had been usin the 45 spec dd.

Second spec i occasionally miss my bolts, and always miss my gtaoe in keep takes/defence but it feels good to have a decent spec dd. Second spec is definately better in your regular roam and gank grps, whereas first fits in better with keep take/defence and mg stand offs.

Experiences of differences pve, second spec is definately better in grps (bar the energy debuff that i miss) you contribute more to the dmg plus if u have one uber mob left after rest of pull has died u can back off and use the light dd to finish it.
Solo, i'm not quite sure but i think the first spec has the slight edge, tho it relies on the bolts not missing. A nice crit on the first bolt can do shed loads of dmg.

That's all i have to say really, tho if you decide to go for a light/mana spec i'd make sure and bump mana to 26 after u respec at 40 before puttin points in light so u have the pbaoe for grps.

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Nice to hear a balanced explanation of both specs from someone who has played them both at level 50

For me, theres no mage I would rather be than void around keeps and milegates and I am sure void is more efficient at soloing. In RVR Bolts are tricky to use, you need to pick targets carefully and even then most of the time you are probably better of nearsighting or DDing. AOE is virtually unusable due to our realms mezz tactics.

The light spec is widely considered more sensible for rvr, DD is what you are going to be going for in a hectic group battles most of the time, and with 45 light youll have the best, pretty important considering that everyone has capped resist these days.

Ill probably respec to light one day...

 

[Tyka]

It all comes down to your playstyle, i like light because it fits the way i play, can't say that it is a "good" spec cause most mage specs in hib are not up to par with the other classes in the other realms. I'm not saying that they should be identical but other realms mages are more viable for groups.

Back when i started a eld _everyone_ was specced in mana and i was told light is crap, nowadays alot of the mana gimps is respeccing to light, wonder why

50% resist on a 179 energy nuke won't do much damage, and you wont many people who will debuff energy for you.

 

[Kobold]

Nice described bt Lessurl there.

I have allways liked light and still does. Even though I've been told several times that I'm a "wannabe mage", special by the mana chanters that think they are so uber. My DD pwns and I'm proud of it

 

[-Nuked-]

Originally posted by Lessurl


My current spec, 45 light mana 28 which gives best light dd, second best aoe mez, best range debuff, a pbaoe with slightly more dmg than void aoe and the first aoe str/con debuff.

Experiences of differences pve, second spec is definately better in grps (bar the energy debuff that i miss) you contribute more to the dmg plus if u have one uber mob left after rest of pull has died u can back off and use the light dd to finish it.
Solo, i'm not quite sure but i think the first spec has the slight edge, tho it relies on the bolts not missing. A nice crit on the first bolt can do shed loads of dmg.

thats the best i have heard so far - i cant see myself solo'in well with this spec but on the other hand ill have the pbaoe for groups (it wont be the best but hey peeps dont usually have a clue-as long as they see it they cant usually tell the difference!

ill respec into semi mana and as i lvl mix it up with light so my final spec is

light 45
mana 28

still 10 bubs till 40 so i may still change my mind but that idea is a BIG help

 

[Chameleon]

Never had a mage over level 18 myself, but I know that I'm glad I stuck to levelling the character I wanted to play in rvr at level 50, rather than what other people wanted me to be (i.e. uber group friendly class/spec). I do think peoples attitudes are changing somewhat, realising that practically all class/specs can work well in a group if controlled by a competant player. It needn't be too difficult to get from 40-50 with some patience and if your happy to make your own groups.

 

[panzer]

Hey Nuked

If you do choose to go full light semi mana at 40 i can wholly recomend rasing mana to 26 at 40 and put the rest into light, then raise light as u ding.

This will give u a 176 pbae at 40 which will be acceptable in most pbae groups and make leveling far easier. As an a comparison, your light spec dd up till u get the 45 one is only 163.

Obviously this means you wont get ur 45 nuke till 50 but will make lvling much easier.

 

[Brennik]

Yah, either mana or light as the primary line seems to be the "best" option. There's only one small thing people might actually want to consider: speccing void as the secondary line. We need at least *some* people with GTAOE in the realm.

 

[oblivion_6]

Btw Nuked m8 if you come back to the dark side

spec void to 46 no point taking to 47

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

Originally posted by oblivion_6
Btw Nuked m8 if you come back to the dark side

spec void to 46 no point taking to 47

its an option, not a popular one as in the past people have considered more points in light to get the ghetto mezz. With reists what they are you could sacrafice this for more void which brings better debuffs... might be usefull.. 47 void means youll get the uber body debuff... could go 49 for the top energy debuff to really suck up to mana types

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by nuked_inthehead
ok this post is to decide my elds fate basically its like this -

he is currently lvl39 with full void - when i reach 50 i was originally planing on

47void
rest light

but saying that ... is it actually worth it - i mean ... void AOE=slow...bolts dont work in a "hib zerg" and so im left with a DD

Light DD hits harder then void DD + putting full points in light would give me a longer aoe mezz and i would put mini dings and additional points into mana which should give me a higher dmg AOE then that of void! BUT would mean i dont stand a chance of getting in any kind of baf mob group from lvl40-50 (if they know my spec)

the last option i have seen is full mana spec with rest in light - problem with this is - im not a cookie cutter fan i dont want to stand on top of a mob/alb/mid to kill something - if i wanted to do that i would have made a Shade/tank. (but of course means ill get groups to lvl50 easy, at the expence of hating my final spec)

before you all post go full mana plz realise i do actually really really hate it. but if you honestly think its the best idea post it, or any additional idea's would be helpful.

if this has been posted b 4 im sorry just need some idea's
alliance tried now its your turn

You know, mana isnt all about pbaoe "Elph/luri suicide bomb"™. Eldritches do have a snare DD also. The thing with that DD is that its on Energy resist, that, while common, really isnt as common as cold or heat(go check some items from mid/alb).

Cold is just silly, 2 of the items from the DF merchants have 10% cold, and those particular items happen to be VERY good compared to the options(not counting SI items). Speaking about the jewel and the ring now.

Heat is also very common, because everyone and their dogs want capped heat vs hib caster stun, so the baseline DD should be a nono really.

Lots of people would of course try and cap energy too over say, matter or spirit, but its not one of the "must have" resists imo(pbaoe hits for enormous amounts anyway, and if you are affected by it you are most likely stunned and will die anyway).

One last thing that speak for mana is the str/con debuff, which easily deducts about 200(more on primary tanks) hits from someone instantly.

Just saying that you shouldnt discard mana just because you dont like the bomb™ part

 

[oblivion_6]

Originally posted by boni_ofdavoid

... could go 49 for the top energy debuff to really suck up to mana types

hmm how much more dmg can those bombs do lol

With a debuff i can cause mana bombs to do in excess of 1000 dmg

 

[Tyka]

Uh nilji, welcome to patch 1.54 where we got SC

even without sc mana dd with the snare aint all that, the base dmg is 179 while light dd is 209, so you will do more dmg even tho most ppl have higher resists to cold than energy, then snare is fine but what does it help if the dd is crap ?

speccing mana is all about pbaoe imo, the aoe disease is good but i do get the same but with a shorter duration, wich will still last in most rvr battles, 1 thing that is great that i really miss is the aoe str/con debuff.

 

[old.Niljindil]

Originally posted by Tyka
Uh nilji, welcome to patch 1.54 where we got SC

even without sc mana dd with the snare aint all that, the base dmg is 179 while light dd is 209, so you will do more dmg even tho most ppl have higher resists to cold than energy, then snare is fine but what does it help if the dd is crap ?

speccing mana is all about pbaoe imo, the aoe disease is good but i do get the same but with a shorter duration, wich will still last in most rvr battles, 1 thing that is great that i really miss is the aoe str/con debuff.

Not everyone has capped resists you know, if you ask around your be surprised at the amount of people that arent in full SCed 99-100 qua gear.

And the reason i mentioned the DF items is because, duh, you cant SC jewels/rings/necklaces etc.

Another thing to note is that cold/heat is a more common resist buff from the different realms than energy.

In midgard energy is on the healer aug spec, and believe me, _NOONE_(less than 5% anyway) specs aug as a healer, but lots of shamen specs aug(end regen and double buffs).

In albion heat/cold is on the friar, and, well, its like with wardens, they all have top end buffs. Many clerics will have good energy buffs tho, but id think most of the actual played ones(aka non-buffbots) have high rejuv so they only get the midtier res buffs.

What i was saying wasnt that he should choose mana over light because it has a better DD, but because by judging from his first post he seemed to think mana didnt have a DD(or not one worth using _at all_ anyway). But the snare DD is very much useable and people do NOT have as high energy resists as they have cold, thats a fact.

Edit: Oh and the comment about 1.54 was uncalled for really, you know as well as me that i play this game just as much as anyone else(if not more).

Edit: One more thing, 179 base damage is NOT crap, its not great, its not good, but it sure as hell aint crap.

 

[old.Moriaana]

My little eld is going 46Void, 28Mana, 4light. Sound kinda daft? Ok lemme explain and then you can tell me what you think...

46Void : Best bolt, best gtaoe. Cant really see much point going higher than 46 for debuffs as I havent had a group yet

28Mana : Semi-ok PB, aoe disease, aoe str/con debuff and some other toys ( snarenuke, aoe attack-spd debuff etc )

4Light : dex/quick debuff.....haha just kidding. QC+aoe mezz has saved my butt quite often. So much better than QC+stun where all you want to do is RUN AWAY!!!! Yes it's only 10 seconds. Yes it sucks in rvr. I have to get to a level where I can _actually_ rvr though, yes?

So far ( lvl33 ) soloing has been reasonably fast, but its starting to slow down. Quite handy Ithil Galad owning Scathaig really, because of the +20% Outpost Bonus Oh and it's handy if albs/mids want to be naughty and try stealing a relic .....

Perhaps I should also add this is part of the Ithil Galad Keep defense team. Once she gets to 50 she is parked somewhere to annoy mids/albs who want to have fun, probably scathaig or dagda. NO WAY am I taking her to emain. yikes... pwned

 

[-Nuked-]

details getting better and better @_@ 6 bubs to go and im hearing very good points i hope it continues