What Is The Worst Drug?

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So only educated people only smoke dope .. no scumbags.


So you self medicate general pain with cannabis?

You are clutching at straws here m8 ... are you gonna compare cannabis smoking to every dangerous activity in the world.

i didnt know only educated people smoke dope, thanks for telling me. personally ive only ever met educated dope smokers. you know, the type doing PhDs, specialist work and stuff like that.

why do you assume to know everything? its been all through my life that paracetamol and over the counter medication has never worked. one day while smoking pot with a major headache i noticed it disappeared instantly.

why do you call me a heavy smoker and make out im some kind of addict? i buy it when i went to, if i want to, if i can be arsed to go get it, if time permits, if i have the money. i dont buy it to live, i buy it because i want to.

cannabis smoking is an everyday activity, and you call it dangerous. therfore its a dangerous everyday activity, correct? so its reasonable to compare it to anything else.

it seems like you are trying to be a smart ass know it all. i pose points and advancements for the discussion and you just miss them completley. fair play to you, if you cant be arsed to discuss it propley you may aswell just fuck off and save us all the extra clicks on the keyboard.

all the time i ask you for sources for you info, you cant supply any. you claim to work as some kind of helper for drug abusers, how do i know that? just where the hell do you get your information from, where is the UNBIASED source? im tempted to believe it doesnt exist seen as you try your hardest not to show us.

People report a feeling of well being or euphoria. Like with most drugs these effects diminish quite rapidly with regular use as people start to build up a tolerance of a drug. Getting stoned or high for the first few times is very different to your 100th time.

im not even sure why you said this. if anyone over the age of secondary school education didnt know this then they are a fool. i said "being the expert you are id assume you know the mechanisms of action within the brain when you consume pot." EVERYONE knows once you take something often you will build a tolerance, its common sense. if you notice what i said, i referd directly to "the mechanisms in the brain". if you knew this, you wouldnt be coming out with some of the stuff you are coming out with.

edit: i do find it quite hillarious how you try to spin everything on to your side. i mention ive had a muscle spasm before and you spin it to say i have it all the time and it must be down to smoking pot. i mention i have headaches like everyone else, you spin it around. i mention my joints hurt now and again, like probably with everyone else, you spin it. rofl. why do you insist on spinning everything? you tell me to stop smoking for a while, how do you know how often i smoke? i said earlier i MAY spoke around 2.5grams per week if time permits. then you spin it and say im a heavy smoker, give up for a while. just FYI i bought pot this week for the first time in god knows how long.
its obvious you have a very warped view on all this and i dont blame you. only knowing a bad thing all your life is going to make you think its the only thing and the only true thing.

 

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and erm yeh, answer this without spinning it to your liking -

big deal. have you worked with people whove consumed MJ and NOT turned psychotic or sufferd any unwanted side effects? have you studied them and how they go about day to day life?

 

[Taen]

i didnt know only educated people smoke dope, thanks for telling me.

Your the one who that implied that point not me. Rememeber?

it opens up new social circles, you meet like minded people (who yes, like me will be educated and in a decent full time job, or at uni, not a scum bag),

Personally ive only ever met educated dope smokers. you know, the type doing PhDs, specialist work and stuff like that.

ha! dude no offence but you are full of shit. Stop digging your own grave.

why do you assume to know everything? its been all through my life that paracetamol and over the counter medication has never worked. one day while smoking pot with a major headache i noticed it disappeared instantly.

My point is, if you bothered to read properly, is that it is not normal for a young person to be suffering major headaches, joint pain and muscle spasms. You implied in your post that you self medicated these symptoms with MJ. My question to you was why do you need to self medicate anything? Your lame reply was that you didnt want to get addicted to over the counter pain killers. Dont you see how ridiculous that is? "I smoke dope to relieve my pain (even though there is nothing wrong with me) because I dont want to get addcited to over the counter pain killers". Dude the point is that you shouldnt get addicted to dope or pain killers. how many people do you know that are addicted to over the counter medication? Over the counter medication is perfectly safe if used responsibly .. are you incapable of using any narrcotic responsibly?

why do you call me a heavy smoker and make out im some kind of addict? i buy it when i went to, if i want to, if i can be arsed to go get it, if time permits, if i have the money. i dont buy it to live, i buy it because i want to.

Where did I say either of these things? It sounds to me like you are a regular smoker.

cannabis smoking is an everyday activity, and you call it dangerous. therfore its a dangerous everyday activity, correct? so its reasonable to compare it to anything else.

So cannabis smoking is an everday activity is it? I thought you werent a heavy smoker but you do seem to do it every day. Since when has handgliding been an everday activity?

it seems like you are trying to be a smart ass know it all. i pose points and advancements for the discussion and you just miss them completley. fair play to you, if you cant be arsed to discuss it propley you may aswell just fuck off and save us all the extra clicks on the keyboard.

Look dude stop been such a fckin idiot. You have advanced nothing. Your replies have gotten smaller and smaller since I entered this discussion. I have addressed every point you made and you have failed to retort with any degree of insight, knowledge or clarity. Your responses consist of second hand stories coupled with your own brief personal experience of drugs. Please remind me of all these points that you have advanced that I have ignored and I will address them or point you to where I already have addressed them.

all the time i ask you for sources for you info, you cant supply any. you claim to work as some kind of helper for drug abusers, how do i know that? just where the hell do you get your information from, where is the UNBIASED source? im tempted to believe it doesnt exist seen as you try your hardest not to show us.

You asked me once and I replied. I told you that journals usually cost money and are accessed in a library or online if you are member of certain sites or willing to pay for individual papers. All that is given for free is usually the abstract which only tells you the intention of the research not the result. I posted 2 links which showed that what I am claiming is public knowledge. I also posted a link earlier link from an australian website for panic disorder which detailed numerous cases of people suffering with the symptoms I am talking of. I even posted an extract of one of the case stories. I also discussed with you the nature of causal and correlational research and why it is next to impossible to establish cuasality in any psychological research.

If you bothered reading my posts or doing even a minimum of investigatiion you would find out that I not bullshitting. You accuse me of lying and fabricating stories to push some anti-drugs agenda. Are you paranoid from smoking too much weed or something? What possible agenda could i have? Why would i make this stuff up? You on the other hand have displayed little or no knowledge about anything and you do have an agenda. Your agenda is to protect your bad habit. You dont want to hear anything negative about MJ because you dont want to stop smoking it. Plain and simple.

im not even sure why you said this. if anyone over the age of secondary school education didnt know this then they are a fool. i said "being the expert you are id assume you know the mechanisms of action within the brain when you consume pot." EVERYONE knows once you take something often you will build a tolerance, its common sense. if you notice what i said, i referd directly to "the mechanisms in the brain". if you knew this, you wouldnt be coming out with some of the stuff you are coming out with.

dude you are getting more ridiculous each time you open your mouth. First of all .. all mechanisms of action within the brain are theoretical not fact. Second of all .. with your limited knowledge do you want to get into some kind of debate about neuro science and biological psychology. I dont understand what this would contribute to discussion. Do you think that neuro science is gonna back up your position or mine? I have studied this stuff at post grad level .. you obviously havent.

edit: i do find it quite hillarious how you try to spin everything on to your side. i mention ive had a muscle spasm before and you spin it to say i have it all the time and it must be down to smoking pot. i mention i have headaches like everyone else, you spin it around. i mention my joints hurt now and again, like probably with everyone else, you spin it. rofl. why do you insist on spinning everything? you tell me to stop smoking for a while, how do you know how often i smoke? i said earlier i MAY spoke around 2.5grams per week if time permits. then you spin it and say im a heavy smoker, give up for a while. just FYI i bought pot this week for the first time in god knows how long.
its obvious you have a very warped view on all this and i dont blame you. only knowing a bad thing all your life is going to make you think its the only thing and the only true thing.

I'm not spining anything dude. You are an extremely difficult person to have a coherent discussion with. You have no obvious position on the matter .. you have no experience other than your own, you have no training in any medical or medical related field. What is your point? I must have asked you ten times now. What are you trying to say to me ... what is your position on MJ. Do you thin its safe .. do you think the risk level is accpetable .. what are you basing these judgements on and why should we believe you? Say something constructive ffs.

and just on your last point. I have told you already more than once that I used drugs hard and soft for over ten years. I have not only experienced the bad .. I had some great times on drugs but i also had the most fucked up times of my life. What I am saying to you is that the good times arent worth the bad. Get it?

 

[Taen]

and erm yeh, answer this without spinning it to your liking -

Ofc I have met people who smoke pot for years and seem fine. Most of them will tell you though that the would rather not smoke. They find it extremely difficult to give up because they suffer from withdrawal. Everybody who smokes dope for a considerable period of time will tell you that it is a bad habit. Its not good for your health .. and people are extremely lethargic on it. The point I have making from the start is on about risk. How do we determine what is an acceptable level of risk to deem any drug safe for public consumption? Ofc there are many people who dont suffer with serious side effects from dope but there are also many people that do. Why take the risk?

PS .. I dont "study" anybody. I work with people who have problems .. there is a difference.

 

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Your the one who that implied that point not me. Rememeber?

Spin number 1: nope i didnt. i said I HAVE only met educated people. not that everyone who smokes pot is educated.




ha! dude no offence but you are full of shit. Stop digging your own grave.

i make a fact and im full of shit? ok....

"I smoke dope to relieve my pain (even though there is nothing wrong with me) because I dont want to get addcited to over the counter pain killers". [...
] are you incapable of using any narrcotic responsibly?

Spin number 2: just lol.


Where did I say either of these things? It sounds to me like you are a regular smoker.

Spin 3: i would class regular as everyday, every week. or at least multiple times in consecutive weeks. i do neither.

So cannabis smoking is an everday activity is it? I thought you werent a heavy smoker but you do seem to do it every day.

Spin 4: im not a heavy smoker, i never said i did it everyday.


I even posted an extract of one of the case stories.

i asked for unbiased research not stories from australia.

Are you paranoid from smoking too much weed or something? What possible agenda could i have? Your agenda is to protect your bad habit. You dont want to hear anything negative about MJ because you dont want to stop smoking it.

Spin number what ever: no im not paranoid. there you are spinning words to make me look 'bad'. i dont mind hearing anything negative about it as long as you have a way of backing up what you say. notice this bit "you dont want to stop smoking it", here you are trying to be a smart ass know it all. i couldnt give two shits if i never had it again. ive already said multiple times when and how i decide if i will make the effort to go buy it.

Do you think that neuro science is gonna back up your position or mine?

the answer here is, i dont know. thats why i ask you to backup what you say and explain this. so i can be better educated in what exactly is going on.

what is your position on MJ. Do you thin its safe .. do you think the risk level is accpetable .. what are you basing these judgements on and why should we believe you? Say something constructive ffs.

thought i explained this, hell you even quoted me saying "nothing is safe" or something to that effect. i base my judgements on research and experience, i weigh up MJ to the alternatives of using up my free time that i put aside for 'chemicals' if you will (i.e. booze). i say again, i dont smoke pot 24/7, like i dont drink booze 24/7. why do i have free time for enjoyment? i guess im just normal.

with all that spinning youd make a great MP

 

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Why take the risk?

like i said above, people like to enjoy them selves. about 10% of the time, enjoyment carries a risk of something bad happening. some people like to take the risks, others dont. btw i have no source for the 10% statistic, i just made it up from an educated guess.

 

[Taen]

with all that spinning youd make a great MP

What?? Stop avoiding the issue. Answer the points I asked you. You are spinning .. taking me out of context. I asked you questions .. answer them or bow out of the discussion. Again you have posted nothing constructive or any retorts. You dont have the ability to stay in the argument so u are resorting to smear tactics to try and save face. You are so transparent its laughable.

 

[Taen]

like i said above, people like to enjoy them selves. about 10% of the time, enjoyment carries a risk of something bad happening. some people like to take the risks, others dont. btw i have no source for the 10% statistic, i just made it up from an educated guess.

exactly what your whole position has been throughout this discussion .. a crock of shit. Your own personal bullshit ideas based on no relevant experience or education. I will give you one piece of advice .. you have to be educated to make an educated guess so leave that up to other people who know what they are talking about.

 

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lol you really are rediculous. i point out where you take me out of context, then you say im doing it to you? i asked YOU to HELP me, so i can learn a bit more, then you bad mouth. you wont even agree slightly that you are trying to be a know it all and imply im this n that. which is kinda sad tbh. btw, a differeing oppinion to your own isnt a crock of shit. its just different. surely youd know that, being almighty wise and learned in all things.

how the fuck is not spinning when i say "i buy MJ when i can be arsed, which could be once every month or every other week" and you come back saying im a heavy smoker? how can you say you havent span that out of context to make me look bad?

id sure as fuck hate to be someone you work with. someone comes in saying he loves orange juice and you set him on a program to rehabilitate.

(look i can be a smart assed bastard just like you)

oh yeh, i did answer your questions. but if you think ive missed any i will glady answer them.

 

[Gamah]

Ocational Cannabis use is a risk xD? I smoke when I go to my mates, have a laugh and a few beers. Oh noes I am the devil.

+ tris

Only people who are "educated or at uni" are not scumbags acording to you?

 

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Only people who are "educated or at uni" are not scumbags acording to you?

you been getting lessons of taen? i never said that.

i SAID i have never met/socialised with scum bags who smoke pot. though its obvious there is scum bags who do smoke pot, you can see them in the street. but not everyone who does smoke pot is a scum ba. not everryone out of work or not been to uni is a scum bag.

does that make it clear?

 

[Gamah]

(who yes, like me will be educated and in a decent full time job, or at uni, not a scum bag)

You are basicly stating either or..

 

[tris-]

You are basicly stating either or..

then i will put that down to poor construction of a sentance. i wasnt implying people out of work or not at uni are scum bags.

 

[Gamah]

then i will put that down to poor construction of a sentance. i wasnt implying people out of work or not at uni are scum bags.

Ok!

 

[Commandment]

Ocational Cannabis use is a risk xD? I smoke when I go to my mates, have a laugh and a few beers. Oh noes I am the devil.

you aint the devil, but what if "joe soap" did that, smoked one joint... fucked him up and now has severe parnanoia for the rest of his life =( you think it was worth it? its a minorty, but could happen.

 

[tris-]

you aint the devil, but what if "joe soap" did that, smoked one joint... fucked him up and now has severe parnanoia for the rest of his life =( you think it was worth it? its a minorty, but could happen.

there is many everyday things that could fuck you up from having it once which for the majority of everyone else poses no problem.

 

[Ctuchik]

there is many everyday things that could fuck you up from having it once which for the majority of everyone else poses no problem.

still illegal, end off.....

 

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still illegal, end off.....

aye so is piracy but i bet you indulge in that now and again, or even once in the past.

just because something is illegal, it doesnt make it a good argument against what ever you are talking about.

 

[Commandment]

aye so is piracy but i bet you indulge in that now and again, or even once in the past.

just because something is illegal, it doesnt make it a good argument against what ever you are talking about.

i think he ment its illegal for a reason

 

[Punishment]

ZZZzzzzz ... Such Posturing :touch: