What is the quickest way to kill someone theoretically with an SB?

[belth]

Originally posted by censi


RP is proportional to amount enemies killed which is also proportional to RVR experience. Sorry but thats a fact....

rr5 is the bench mark of a moderatly accomplished player...

I suspect you will still be a mouthy little twat even when u make it to rr5 though.... put your point accross by all means.... but drop the bitching, there is far to much of it on these boards for it to impress ne1 now. (even if you were right (which your not))

RP is directly proportional to how much time you spend in Emain mostly. Sitting there at the few camp spots and shooting people doesn't make you better, it makes you over-confident. Oh, you're not RR5 yourself either, hence your opinions are meaningless according to yourself What you're doing with your meaningless arguments is down-playing your class of choice. Maybe it's time to look at it from a more objective perspective, you mouthy little twat.

 

[belth]

Originally posted by Tranquil-


15 archer resistant classes, now you haven't taken all casters into consideration, so there's a few more. Also add that Hibernian casters get a 1500 range, 2.5sec casttime, 9 sec BASELINE stun, it can be quickcasted. A caster that pays attention can just /face sprint, QC stun, game over, plenty of time to use those heavy damage nukes/bolts. The rest of the classes mostly consists of Healers/buffers/CC classes which don't need to worry that much. Instaheals, instant CC etc. Classes with high absorbs/hp, instaspells are usually out of league. Also note that Nearsight is on no recast timer, no resist table. Pet classes are pure evil when considering their pet tracks through stealth and runs instantly at the attacker if set to defensive mode. Oh, and some don't even need LOS. Archers also need the range advantage which they get when shooting downhill, this pretty much shows the rest where to look for archers. There is even more to taken into consideration, with all classes, so there is no such thing as ownage(mostly atleast), it's all about situations.

Assassins need alot of time to setup an attack, aswell as archers, but they also don't need to worry that much about other classes negating their stealth specline, negating their initial attack because of BT, fumbles etc. When is the last time you fumbled your PA? Ofcourse a missed PA is common, but it's a style, one of many, there is nothing saying you HAVE to spec and play that way, archers HAVE to use Critshots, it's their main attack. Also usually assassins have a pretty high stealth spec which usually results in a swift getaway. IMO Assassins are pretty much balanced with their abilites, it's the other classes that needs balancing.

(Disclaimer: I've probably forgot something that should have been taken into consideration, but then post it here and people can add that themselves. For anyone in a flammable mood, notice the IMO? (In my opinion. There is no pressure whatsoever about anyone having to agree with me.))edit: forgot to add that this is no "more love to archers"-post. I don't have a problem playing as it is today, and I'm fine with see hidden, Stealth AND 1k ranged damage was overpowered. Even though nerfs did more than remove the uberarchers. Disclaimer still applies

I was talking about sniping, hence I excluded rest of the casters, as they have nothing with over 2k range. Can't really snipe inside targets range and expect to get away with it easily. Assassins rarely survive a (attempted) kill inside/near a group - archers have way higher survivability rate, hence they can kill more efficiently. We still have the 10 second restealth timer as the rest of the much hated stealthers and during that time it's impossible to get out of a casters range with sprint, unless there's a convenient hill, etc.

Have to agree fully there that "Assassins are pretty much balanced with their abilites, it's the other classes that needs balancing.".

Censi is too stuck up in his old ph4rm1n6 ways to see past the changes and adapt. Judging from his posts, he rolled his ganker to be über and now he's whining because it's impossible to be teh kign of pharming. Wonder what he complains about next? PA going thru BT? Assassin stealth-speed? Vanish? Dragonfang? IP? Volley? Long-shot?

 

[hotrat]

Nobody is gonna win one vs one everytime no matter what classes are involved.

Snipers are so much stronger in a battle when a caster is pre-occupied casting his spells that he doesnt notice the
The shot was absorbed by a magical barrier.
Then suddenly crit shot 500 life gone OUCH, turn run, fast cast bt, then run. No time to auto target. Very rare to spot the person sniping u to target.

Ok so snipers still own in zergs and we are talking soloing , which i agree they have maybe been nerfed a little too hard, but camouflage helps counter that a bit (at least).

And plz censi leave belth alone, he is a good player, he just doesn't play 24/7 and when he does play he thinks of guild way before thinking of going rvr. In fact he is much more knowledgable than most about general daoc gameplay. I learnt a lot from him

 

[Tranquil-]

Originally posted by hotrat
Ok so snipers still own in zergs and we are talking soloing , which i agree they have maybe been nerfed a little too hard, but camouflage helps counter that a bit (at least).

Archers own when it comes to attacking targets that are busy, the thing is that it's the same as attacking XPing targets, except now there's no chance of losing xp, and they could have just as easily been killed by anyone else as the said archer in this zerg. Thus they don't whimper about that(except the high damage ofcourse).

Camo doesn't help anything when it comes to sniping. Any offensive move that involves attacking a player or a mob sets the 10 minute timer. You can however take damage, and go straight into camo after the normal 10sec timer. But it's atleast something. It gives archers some of the ability to scout again. But it removes the snipers, that's what they wanted with that and see hidden, and that's what it did.

Though I personally think Nearsight needs tweaking(recast timer and/or resist table), and a group with pbt is practically invulnerable against any archer attack unless you use a fast bow(shorter range again and lower damage) or you get some archer friends to do coordinated fire..

 

[censi]

And plz censi leave belth alone, he is a good player, he just doesn't play 24/7 and when he does play he thinks of guild way before thinking of going rvr. In fact he is much more knowledgable than most about general daoc gameplay. I learnt a lot from him

he needs to grow up a bit first... and he doesnt know to much about Daoc judging from his comments... He is more interested in flaming....

RP is directly proportional to how much time you spend in Emain mostly. Sitting there at the few camp spots and shooting people doesn't make you better, it makes you over-confident. Oh, you're not RR5 yourself either, hence your opinions are meaningless according to yourself What you're doing with your meaningless arguments is down-playing your class of choice. Maybe it's time to look at it from a more objective perspective, you mouthy little twat.

1) you can sit in emain as long as you like, you wont get any RP though unless you kill summin.
2) archers nevercamp spots alone ( you get nailed by assasins shortly after your first kill)
3) I never said I was rr5. ( and quote me where I said if your not RR5 your comments are meaningless)
4) Im playing down the class of my choice? I am just stating that mythic have fecked up archers in general.... Which is true.

Put it this way, check the number of people that play archers on PVP.... ask yourself why that number is so low....

its a sorry state of affairs when you see how all the archers are gonna respec in 1.52..... I would imagine that the vast majority will be dropping stealth right down below 5. There just isnt to much point having it nowadays.

 

[belth]

Ofcourse I'm flaming you, with your ridiculous comments that archers never were overpowered and you down-playing your class (making it look worse than it is, if you didn't know).

1) Oh, you've noticed?
2) Still see plenty archers camping solo
3)

rr5 is the bench mark of a moderatly accomplished player...

What's that mean?
4) You really don't get it do you?

I suspect you will still be a mouthy little twat even when u make it to rr5 though.... put your point accross by all means.... but drop the bitching, there is far to much of it on these boards for it to impress ne1 now. (even if you were right (which your not))

That's exactly what you are Censi. You don't care about anything but your own class and you're willing to say anything to get it back to its prime.

 

[censi]

jesus, we are going round in circles here. lets end it now cuz u aint gonna let it go....

Ok,

Archers were way to overpowered b4 1.50.
Mythic's idea to give assains see hidden was a perfect solution to this.
Archers are still a gr8 class to play
Belth is an assasin of the highest caliber to be feared. (And knows a lot more about rangers than I do.)

I sux



"If you cant beat em, dont bother trying"

 

[hotrat]

I can't imagine playing a sniper before castable bt on all caster classes.

I also read of a trick where a sniper could shoot a crit, and restealth before the crit hit

Snipers still aren't all that bad, look at Eleasias, and if you want an example of someone who still solo's or now duo's a lot; Aussie.

 

[censi]

elea and aussie (both gr8 players) dont solo anymore.... And I know elea is respeccing his character for group play.... It it was possible to solo peeps would....There are very few archers that solo in emain nowadays.... my reasoning is that although archers can group, you would have been much better off player a nuker (light ment etc)...

Even though rangers can melee reasonably well, its still feeble in comparison to any good tank... and nukes are much better than arrow shots...

I am deeply regretting not rolling a mentalist, or possibly even a sorc...

 

[old.Finster]

i don t like SH either, though i bought it, so i m not gimped. directly to SH related is the fact that stealthers need to team to survive (at least those who re susceptible to SH), depriving me of the chance to solo hunt my primary quarry, the archer.

yes. see hidden is the primary reason hardly any stealther is every solo nowadays, because even if you can SH a sniper he ll probably not be solo (unless it s cowled of course ).

Finster, <Nolby Pride>

 

[censi]

Finster Nolby Pride 50 509,610 Shadowblade

At last some wisdon from a moderatly experienced RVR'er

 

[belth]

Censi, you suck. Hard. Maybe not as a pre-1.35 rp-farmer, but as an arguer and that's all that counts here. Why? Because you don't see beyond your own class. It's as simple as that. You don't back up any of your arguments with anything. You only say your class sucks. You should be nerfed hard as a single player, there are many classes which average RP/week is much less than yours.

To have a very shitty amount of RP like you do, 460k - which is something that a level 1 elementalist makes in a hour, makes you completely dismissable in everything. Why? You're not RR5 and RP is easy to gain, when you spend most of your time making it. Some of us don't make our primary reason to play to gain RP. We actually do something else and that is beyond your calibre to understand, unless you have everything to gain and nothing to lose from such an activity.

To put it bluntly, you are not worthy of anyones attention, simply because you are too thick in the head. Nothing will change that, no matter how hard you try, you've proved it time and time and again, with no chance to change. On top of that, you ignore everything everyone else says and hang on desperately to your own ineffective "arguments".

Any pathetic flame or a would-be-counter-argument you will or try present and have presented are nothing but empty whining with no content, only because of your hopeless inability to present any meaningful arguments towards your cause without countless repetitions in different hollow meaningless forms that shall cause nothing but laughter and ridicule towards you on the days to come, when people refer to the worst arguer ever in the history of Dark Ages of Camelot. You will not be able to wake up in the morning without crying your eyes red nor will you be able to type a single word or letter on a keyboard or any other device created for the purpose of typing words or letters without being reminded of your inability to argue without any substantial arguments except for meaningless statistics that do not include anything but one number.

Shortly put, you have lost.

 

[censi]

ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz........

jesus aint you got ne1 to talk to in RL or summin???? you dont arf talk a load of bollacks.

btw ne1 that knows me in DAOC knows I spend a lot of my time organising guild events, drop hunting for other players, helping peeps with quests, most of my DAOC play is guild orientated.... I find RP farming dull....

Shortly put, you have lost.

Fancy a dual? Ill even let you open with a PA on me??

But on the serious side you really dont have a fecking clue about archers. Let it go ffs.

 

[censi]

To have a very shitty amount of RP like you do, 460k

????

ne1 else spot a fatal flaw with this comment?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by old.Finster
i don t like SH either, though i bought it, so i m not gimped. directly to SH related is the fact that stealthers need to team to survive (at least those who re susceptible to SH), depriving me of the chance to solo hunt my primary quarry, the archer.

yes. see hidden is the primary reason hardly any stealther is every solo nowadays, because even if you can SH a sniper he ll probably not be solo (unless it s cowled of course ).

Finster, <Nolby Pride>

Well, yesterday I started becoming more of a fan of See Hidden. Made ~22k in an hour of body-guarding a scout. The perpetual stream of Shadowblades coming in for an 'easy kill' was rediculous. So keep it up guys, that was the most fun I've had in a weeks.

(PS - Still don't have See Hidden, and never will have it)

(PPS - I was using the scouts buffbot at the time, which did kinda help a lot (1600 hits and 1400 WeapSkill )... Keeping his appetite for burgers satisfied is quite expensive though)

 

[old.Arnor]

To summarize a thread I havent really read, I think the answer to your question would be:

Do lots of damage and dont get hit ^^

 

[hotrat]

Was the scout Aussie per chance?

also buffs suck arse, especially on assasins

evade evade evade hit evade evade

 

[illu]

hehe Arnor

I kinda got caught up in the who is better class war that went on in this thread

I think I've got pretty much most of the information I was looking for.

It would be nice to have a few more high level SB's to post some nice tactics, without giving the game away too much.

I think I'm going to have to practice ALL the combinations of styles on various mobs, take down the damages and average them all out, and then take into account stuns / debuffs, all the various effects the styles have.

It's currently looking like a PA then CD opening for most casters, then garotte and achilees heal (I think), and hope for a few evades to do that line of styles.

I need to experiment with more poisons, and am wondering whether it's worth opening with a slow big hitting 2h axe, then quickly changing to 2 x 1h axes for 2 more poisons, then BACK to the 2h axe - will I have time to do all that?

I probably won't be speccing Left Axe first time round, it's looking like 44CS 44AXE 36ENV and 34Stealth - then anything left over (maybe 5 points?) in Left Axe. Then I'll push the rest up through items and RR points.

If it all goes titsup.com, then I'll 5 spec, something along the lines of 39LA 34ish AXE 34ish ENV 34ish Stealth and 30ish CS. I'll work out these numbers properly if and once I respec

Back to work

Goddam - there just aren't enough hours in the day to work / play. Roll on a lottery win please god.

Oli - ILLU

 

[illu]

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Shadowblades are just the hardest characters to spec - this is a nightmare.

I started off without any information wanting to make this SB
50CS 50AXE 34Stealth
After a bit of time - it seemed Envenom was important too, so I morphed into this idea
44CS 44AXE 35Stealth 35Envenom
And now - after reading more and more and hearing about tactics and hearing about how important Left Axe is so that I stand a good chance against other Assassins, I'm tending to go towards this
34CS 34AXE 34Stealth 35Envenom 39LeftAxe

Goddam

So all I need to know now is - where to put the remaining 63 points that I have left over

Which skill would most improve / help my battle to kill and whack things / escape, and with the final remaining points - I think I'll put the 20+ or so points to get 10 in sword hehe.

Any advice from number crunchers / experienced SB's?

Oli - ILLU

 

[Zill]

Originally posted by illu
Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Shadowblades are just the hardest characters to spec - this is a nightmare.

I started off without any information wanting to make this SB
50CS 50AXE 34Stealth
After a bit of time - it seemed Envenom was important too, so I morphed into this idea
44CS 44AXE 35Stealth 35Envenom
And now - after reading more and more and hearing about tactics and hearing about how important Left Axe is so that I stand a good chance against other Assassins, I'm tending to go towards this
34CS 34AXE 34Stealth 35Envenom 39LeftAxe

Goddam

So all I need to know now is - where to put the remaining 63 points that I have left over

Which skill would most improve / help my battle to kill and whack things / escape, and with the final remaining points - I think I'll put the 20+ or so points to get 10 in sword hehe.

Any advice from number crunchers / experienced SB's?

Oli - ILLU

I suggest you place the remaining pts into Axe.

I'll probably be going down a similar path to you and continue as a Soulblade with a probable spec of Stealth 33 Env 32 CS 34 LA 39 Sword 39. I was considering rolling a SZ but I couldn't imagine going through the game without the CD style which I use for various tactics against certain classes.

 

[censi]

Korv, PA'd me for 787 damage today. He was using a LW too... Perhaps u may wanna consider not even speccing left axe. Not much you can do about that.

(think he may of been buffed though)