What is feckin wrong with this realm??

[old.chipper]

erm well im using a lvl 35 nuke on my mentalist and hit for 300+ on most tanks my stuns land nearly every time and no one ever complains if i throw a heal in

Xanthian: this is my view of things you opened this thread i simply replied im not sayin this stuff just to start a flame war it is how i see things i have nothing against you i dont even know you all im tryin to do is put across my perspective as are you.

 

[karlophin]

This is my 2 cents on the subject;

Near enough all lvl50's would much rather group with 7 other lvl 50's, and in the most balanced group possible, I remember as a lower lvl Id always wonder why this was the case, however since reaching lvl50 I now understand.

1) LvL50's have epic armour, live longer, have better stats.
2) LvL50's are more likely to have a better grasp on how RvR works, not all, but some.
3) LvL50's have less chance of a total group wipe out as soon as you reach emain.

Although I'd rather group with 50's its never stoped me grouping with lower lvl's, especially not my friends, friends of friends, or guild members. However, imo its better for the non-yellow con characters to go get RP in odins or malke your way to upland or sauvage. Ive taken many people, from lvl30+ to these places on a number of occasions and they've always enjoyed getting a taste of what that sort of RvR is like, without having to take on the almighty alb zerge train.

Just think about guys, we lvl50's aren't grouping because we're selfish, RvR is all that keeps us in the game, so when we do play, we like to try and play to our best and have the most fun Sometimes lower levels can accidently jeopordise the group, cause us to all die early which then causes some of the gorup to disband.

I know this is a very stereotyped post as I know there are non lvl50's out there who can totally out play many 50's ive grouped with. (yes Nol thats you you gimp). I just think this is the point many 50's are trying to get across.

 

[Noche]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica


<remembers grouping a lvl 40+ shade called Noche in numerous RvR groups>

I never complained if ppl don´t invite me to their grps (u won´t find one single case), I knew I was low lvl and I knew ofc I can´t do much but leech in grp and kill orange/red casters or at least try it.

It´s pretty sickening when all the grps in DL is already fg or guild only grp but this game is for fun, a random grp dies way too easy to any experienced one. I´ve died plenty enough times in random grps that I swore load of times about never get in one but usually end up in one (some ppl make amazing random grps, but that´s usually filled with 8 lvl 50s who all know pretty well how to rvr)

 

[kameh]

I leave groups to allow a higher level bard to take over. I get hit for stupid amounts of damage at my level by lvl 50 invaders and being a bard I'm usually the number one target.

You wont realise just how fast they go for the bard unless you are one.. especially if he's blue con to them!

Insta mez makes me live another 20 secs or so but I usually end up doing the "turn end on and sprint in circles with 3 level 50 tanks chasing me" dance

 

[Alkoran]

Lol!!!! what a load a stupid lvl 50 comments!! I knew a lot of lvl 50s weren't to happy to group lower lvls, but I didn't realise they actually hated us being there!!
They don't group us because lvl50s are better? I thought we'd been over this, it's not necesary to be the best alll the time. If everyone acted like this we'd have no Shades, rangers, voidys or Blademasters in RvR and you know we want them, or maybe you don't know, maybe you just didn't think.
This is mainly aimed at Xanthian who I feel has made a complete prat of himself, any one who has the view that taking low lvls to RvR is "not doing it properly" is not really a good role model for people who have yet to reach 50 and are wondering what RvR is about, this is not the way it should be.
I've got my lvl 40 spec sorted now so I'll be turning up at DL again, if anyone feels they're being left out because they're not "leet" enough to hang with the big boys we can get a group togethere and we'll kick some gorge camper arse, lowbie style

 

[Eleasias]

I didnt read the whole post so I'd just say something from my quite extensive RvR experience

Random groups suck horribly. Druids dont heal, bards dont mezz (the bards I describe as "good" can be practically counted with the fingers in one hand), tanks break mez, casters aoe etc. etc. and you end up dying in the first battle, getting 0 rp and a bad mood , the groups suck to the point where I dont even bother joining if there isnt a few friends in the group who I know can RvR.

 

[Alkoran]

Hehe

Ever wondered why some don't know how to RvR?
Perhaps it's because people don't want to teach them?
If it's not your cup of tea, there's no obligation, but I will say there is a a better kind of fame than that which comes from having the biggest number on the XML


/random monkey
"Monkeys eat fruit? wow, cool!"

 

[old.Charonel]

ok, let's put it this way, if i was a lvl 50, in a group of lvl 50's and we had one spot left for a nuker, we had a choice between a lvl 40 nuker i KNOW can rvr without doing stupid things, and a lvl 50 nuker i've never seen before, i'll take the 40.

reason? simple, a lowbie mage can do a bit less damage than you may like, yet help anyway, a stupid one WILL get you all dead, the lowbie in this case would represent much less risk to the group in my mind.

however if both were experianced at rvr, i'd take the 50 and have no guilt about it.

point is that for the lowbie:

mezzes will be shorter duration, even though they are just as easy to land.

even though you hit as much as the lvl 50 you hit for significantly less damage (you DO).

you die a LOT faster when you come under fire, the lvl difference damage modifier comes into play combined with your lower hit points here...


basically, as a lvl 39 eld i hit for roughly 200 - 300 usually with snare DD on lvl 50's, which is good considering there's usually no resists (exept what i'd expect anyway if i was lvl 50), but at lvl 50 i've heared the snare DD can hit for around 450 - 600, now that's a LARGE difference, you just can't get past the fact that a lvl 40 can't do as much damage as a lvl 50, and can't take as much either. because you hit for less per nuke, you burn more mana on repeated nukes when you'd only need a few at lvl 50...

all of this means that you ARE less suitable, but personally i believe that it does make an even bigger difference whether the PLAYER knows their stuff, someone well versed in using /assist, /face, nearest enemy, someone who knows to not break mezz etc... is far more usefull at lvl 40 than a lvl 50 eld who just thinks that their job is to blast anything in sight and that's all...

these days we have way too many lvl 50's who are still rank 1 (meaning they've almost never been to rvr before) and who dont know what they're doing, meaning that people see those and think, well if those lvl 50's are only THAT good, the lvl 40's must have even more problems, in many cases it's true since a lot of lvl 40's havent been rvr either (WHY?!), but those that DO know their stuff are way more usefull than a stupid lvl 50.

lvl has less to do with effective ness these days without the to hit modifier, but it has a very real effect, more effect however (especially since lowbies can hit all the time now) is made by the player themselves, i mean, what would you want? someone who can hit fairly hard and get the whole group killed by hitting the wrong things all the time? or someone who can't hit quite as hard yet does it just right...

 

[squeakyfrog]

Remember when my void eld was 38 or 39, was hunting grovewoods in Mount Collory with a light spec chanter who was same lvl as me, we saw a red con troll hiding behind the tree watching. He started running towards us when the chanter's pet attacking the grovewood. After two bolts, stun and some dds, we did mange to hit him half way down and maybe if the pet wasn't attacking the grovewood, we might be able to do more damage than that. Well, of course, I dead after the troll hit me twice or 3 but the chanter got away when the pet started attacking the troll after killing the grovewood. So the lower lvls do do some damages to higher lvls.

I do understand why lvl50s don't want to group with non50s, and I do agree it needs to be certain lvls to make RvR more efficient, but when Mids or Albs zerg, all lvls will die fast anyway. How often that Albs or Mids just bring 1fg to take the keeps? and it probably take more than 1fg to defend them, in these cases, any little help is help, at least, it looks pretty scary with all the players around (oh well, its team work not zerg). Tthere must be some lowbis from enemy realms come to Emain as well as our own players. When running into groups of enemy, not quite sure if ppl will have enough time to click every single player to check their con but attacking casters (you can tell them straight away) or anyone nearby. "4fg of Albs/Mids incoming, OMG, there are 3 blue/green cons, let kill them first"

Lots of low 40s try to go to Emain alone because they can't get into a group then get killed by Alpha and if ppl are willing to take them just one or two, maybe those solo assassins or stealthier won¡¦t have too much fun anymore.

Not everyone has a lvl50 character and even lvl50s will have some alts that haven¡¦t reached lvl50 yet, so guess everyone will need a little help sometimes. BTW, back to original tread, even lvl50 can't find a group, that does make me feel better

 

[Jace]

Here's my 2 pence . . .

I gotta say this realm is appallingly bad for RvR grouping (and xp grouping but that's another story). I've lost count the number of times I tried to get a group (40+) at DL and failed miserably. Previous guilds I’ve been in have totally shunned me opting for the “uber farming group” to feed their realm point obsession. Now I’m level 50 I simply don't bother trying anymore, I see absolutely no point in wasting my time trying for a group at DL. 99% of the time no one responds to calls from people looking for a group. I personally find it very rude when people won’t even give you the time of day but maybe that’s just me.

I’m much happier porting off to Midgard or Albion. Yes I get next to no realm points but at least I’m not made to feel like the invisible man or some sort of spare part.

I’m also active in Albion on the Prydwen server and my own experiences of RvR grouping there is totally different to Hib/Excal. Whenever I’ve asked for a group space at least one person actually replies, often several. Sometimes the replies are that their group is full, that’s fair enough and I’m just chuffed to get a reply . Most of the time though there is a group with a space and it’s off we go.

Again, maybe it’s just me but right or wrong it’s my experience to date.

 

[dimasosan]

Hi all.

Just one more oppinion to this thread .

Info.
Eld, mana 50

Question:
Why i always wait til our rvr group gets together and dont go rvr with any group.

Answer:

I tryed to go with other groups .. i never do it again .. better playing alt this time .. coz it s just so much troubles with new group, where u dont know what evreone can or can not do in rvr ... and when some1 tryes to explain to others what they have to do .. to get really fun in rvr (read not dieng, but killin) .. u get "STFU noob", "u think u are the smartest, shut up", "we know what we do" or get kicked or get blamed when we die ... so i dont go anymore to group any group except only some groups from some guild, who normally full with guild ppl ...

All i do, i go and play my alt .. til my guild boss pms me .. "we got all ppl ready, come now " .. then i log my eld and we go to kill of coz i do tonns things wrong ... i learned lotsa from my guild mates .. and now i do well .. (hope some1 except me thinks so too) .. but i never go to rvr with other group sry i need my nerfen for RL ...

Info.
Drood, 39

Question:
Why i dont ask my guild mates to take into rvr.

Answer:
I dont ask it coz i m to low im only 39 and have my utilities not ready for real rvr ... i mean just running and killin )

As i was young eld(read lvl 40+), i was mad why they dont take me in rvr, but now i realize why .. coz every low level char in group is potential weak chain in fg ... and the other group(read enemy) gonna use it asap.

As i made my chanter .. i never asked about rvr .. coz all i wanted is make me 50 and go to real rvr(thats the reason why i did not gone to any BG). I thinked i should have all my utilities ready to get in rvr so much fun as possible .. and do not be frustrated when i hit to small and my group dies becose of me


Thx for your time to read my post.

All abopve is only my IMHO.

Good luck all.

 

[Erekrose]

Originally posted by Jace
at least I’m not made to feel like the invisible man or some sort of spare part.

But u play two stealth characters.

Anyone see the irony.



Hello by the way Dis. Ill see you at DL soon.

(only 6 levels to go)

 

[Ziva]

Well if i have a chance to group with guildies or with random people i would prefer guildies simply because i know i can rely on them and they don't just split up after we get ganked, after one run or because some1 (even if it is the bard) leaves. Cause that is what truly pisses me off lately: we seem to be depending on bards only well let me tell u this: 3 fg of whatever people make a very good chance against a bunch of albs and u really don't need a bard with that amount, u just need to spread out a little (not too far) and keep in close contact.

I don't have any problems with getting lower leveled peeps in my group (i do when they con grey though) although i do admit i am feeling happier with a bunch of 50's only in the group but that's just because i'm a wuss .

But i remember very well when i was a low leveled chanter i was very curious about what this RvR was that every lvl 50 was talking about. I'm still happy some groups got me in and showed me so i am happy to do that for others whenever i can. Besides: the lower leveled are often much more enthousiastic in RvR then then some (bored) lvl 50's so i like that very much. My only goal is to get in a group with a good mix of different races cause imho that is of far more importance then the level.

 

[VodkaFairy]

I was in plenty of RvR groups with my level 38 NS. If you don't like it, powerlevel me, cause it's near impossible to reach L50 when you have a complete useless-in-groups-character.

I only get into groups when people feel sorry for me, but that doesn't make me feel very good either A little bit of RvR fun keeps me going, and no fucking way I'm stopping to try to get RvR groups once in a while.

 

[elerand]

Originally posted by Alkoran
Lol!!!! what a load a stupid lvl 50 comments!! I knew a lot of lvl 50s weren't to happy to group lower lvls, but I didn't realise they actually hated us being there!!
They don't group us because lvl50s are better? I thought we'd been over this, it's not necesary to be the best alll the time. If everyone acted like this we'd have no Shades, rangers, voidys or Blademasters in RvR and you know we want them, or maybe you don't know, maybe you just didn't think.
This is mainly aimed at Xanthian who I feel has made a complete prat of himself, any one who has the view that taking low lvls to RvR is "not doing it properly" is not really a good role model for people who have yet to reach 50 and are wondering what RvR is about, this is not the way it should be.
I've got my lvl 40 spec sorted now so I'll be turning up at DL again, if anyone feels they're being left out because they're not "leet" enough to hang with the big boys we can get a group togethere and we'll kick some gorge camper arse, lowbie style

Nothing wrong with taking lower lvls in principle, in practice it tends to shorten your lifespan.
The enemy is running around, lvl 50, in fgs they often play with, to beat them you do need experienced people and karls right, go somewhere other than emain for gods sake, it's the best way to get some rvr in a mixed grp where not having a bard doesn't automatically mean death.

Personally I think it's important for guilds to organise rvr outings for lower lvls, at least then its easy to have fun with your guildmates, less moaning and usually a good time had by all. Hanging around DL is bound to be a wind up, <50 or not.
Oh and for the record, BMs don't fall into the same category as the others, we can tank very well thank you, the whole gimpmaster thing is just a buzzword for the uneducated at 46 I could tank 2 fins, no shield needed (you rattled my cage on that one lol)

 

[old.Nol]

...

45 and if you have a problem grouping with me, I don't really care. As soon as I log on, I have invites for numerous rvr groups pm'd to me. I might be too crap to group with, for you, but every single one of you has been rezzed by me at least once, so guess who's laughing.

PvP will be good for Hibernia, the people who are left will be the ones with their priorities in the right place

"go level" - Obviously some of you have time on your hands, I am fortunate to get 2 back to back hours at any given time. Anyway, XP for RvR soon, so I never have to see another mob in my life - and I look forward to that moment.

 

[tuathra]

...

As already said...

A fg of 50ies is preferred... But i dont mind the occational blue con - unless its a caster... Yes u do more dmg at lvl 10 than i do - BUT u wont do any dmg when u r dead.. and this will happen alot. as a (imho) rather competent druid i might be able 2 keep a lvl 50 caster alive 4 a few hits - cant say i waste time healing a lvl 38- 42 caster 2 much if hes having a few ppl on him.. its instant death for the caster and wasted healing time 4 the rest of the group.

Part of this might be solved with the healing battery RA - but still... ppl in paper etc. armour around lvl 40 cant xpect 2 stay alive much longer than 5 secs in any battle

If the player know this i have no problem grouping them - but Ive had alot of low lvl players whining coz i dont heal them - problem is they can be a liability for the group with their amount of hps...

- Tuathra
50 druid

 

[Aussie-]

Hey you dr0000d with your OVERPOWERED Grouppurge, you dont fit in my Perfect Balanced Group

 

[boni_ofdavoid]

People enjoy this game in different ways.

To some people the funs is in operating as an elite team to the best of their ability, after a million rps or so I guess you get bored of stopping for siabra agro and dont feel like nurse maiding noobs to emain. Fair enough, let these people play the game they want to play it, theres nothing wrong with forming strong groups for maximum rps.

I enjoy the fun we have along the way. Tonight after taking keeps in alb we headed to crim with 1fg including two level 20's. One of them got a kill on a level 50 We lost the battle (after all there was a fair sized zerg waiting for us) probably making a few hundred rps only, but we had a lot of fun , and yes we fought siabra and free lions on the way there Im not sure mr rr9+ would have enjoyed an hours playtime for that.

Basically what I am trying to say is that there are a lot of people who will take you regardless of spec or level for a bit of fun to emain and those that dont. Respect the wishes of those people who dont want to take you for whatever reason and find someone else who does, youll both have more fun that way.

 

[karlophin]

Originally posted by Jace
Here's my 2 pence . . .

Jesus Dis you have 2 pence!!! not gone on some hooker??

hehe kidding mate, still ahte you though

 

[Affri]

The main reason I go RvR atm. is to get a break from xping. 40+ is bloddy dull :sleeping: and getting innis groups is hell

Although I do agree on having a fg of lvl 50s you shouldn't neglect some lower people either. But yes, having a fg of 50s will be more fun to the people interested in performing well simply because they rate this as fun rather than fooling around. Some people are interested in uber RP pharming, and tbh. I don't blame them.

 

[old.Laryssa]

-> http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40503

 

[Amadon]

Re: ...

Originally posted by tuathra
As already said...

A fg of 50ies is preferred... But i dont mind the occational blue con - unless its a caster... Yes u do more dmg at lvl 10 than i do - BUT u wont do any dmg when u r dead.. and this will happen alot. as a (imho) rather competent druid i might be able 2 keep a lvl 50 caster alive 4 a few hits - cant say i waste time healing a lvl 38- 42 caster 2 much if hes having a few ppl on him.. its instant death for the caster and wasted healing time 4 the rest of the group.

Part of this might be solved with the healing battery RA - but still... ppl in paper etc. armour around lvl 40 cant xpect 2 stay alive much longer than 5 secs in any battle

If the player know this i have no problem grouping them - but Ive had alot of low lvl players whining coz i dont heal them - problem is they can be a liability for the group with their amount of hps...

- Tuathra
50 druid

strange that that blue con might be doing his damndest to keep you alive by stunning/nuking/snaring/debuffing AND offering an easier target which will 95% of the time be taken BEFORE the bards/druids/other casters, thus prolonging YOUR and their lifespan.. but hey.. he's not worthy of your uber heals.

Thank God I can group with a lvl 45 bard who doesn't think he's too uber to heal me.

 

[Noche]

Sorry dude but I prefer 10x times (assume similar skill) a 50 caster who can do the same if not better (due to lvl of the spells) than a 2 hit dead blue con caster. Even if the druid is god-like who can actually keep that blue con alive, that means he just lost (more likely to happen than not) all his instas on that one AND an insane amount of mana which could have spend much better.

Even I can 1 hit blue con casters, no heal possible.

 

[Amadon]

duh

I also prefer in battle a yellow con druid to a blue con druid (assuming similar skills/spec), but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore an enemy attacking the blue con druid just because he's a lower level than me. (Which is imo the equivalent to a druid not healing a blue con since druids are supposedly meant to heal and mages supposedly kill)

 

[Noche]

If u grp a blue con, ya forced to heal and keep him alive (otherwise don´t grp him) and it´d be much more effort and less effective that if he´s 50, that´s wot I said.

 

[tuathra]

...

...dont really feel any need 2 defend my statement... fact is healing should be dealt 2 keep most group members alive....... thats not what u r doing if a rat boy is on a blue con caster and u try 2 heal him after he takes 1st hit...

 

[Alkoran]

If you're not 50 and you want to get a RvR group "sod this lot" anyone who comes here to say you're not good enough doesn't care and won't change their mind.....there are however a hell of a lot of cool people who will take you out there and show you the ropes, give you a chance to prove yourself. Join them and have some fun, sod the rest, just remeber how it should be when you hit 50.

Good hunting all (I of coarse exclude those not willing to teach or a least give a kind word, BTW "piss off" or "go exp!" does not count, they can get some of their own to wish them well, my sub 50 wish would not meet their requirements)

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by Alkoran
there are however a hell of a lot of cool people who will take you out there and show you the ropes, give you a chance to prove yourself. Join them and have some fun, sod the rest, just remeber how it should be when you hit 50.

Not feeling any obligations here, but I have been planning on doing some regular events for lowbie introduction-RvR, like once a week. Found some others willing to help out too. The idea is to have 1-2fg of lvl 25+/30+ peeps just RvR like a regular group, with a few high level peeps showing the ropes in RvR. It will involve keeptaking with rams, skirmishing against the odds and getting to know the frontier. When I get round to getting groups like this together (I'm atm not on for long enough periods of time to organise big events), I'll post it here, including details & rules.

Besides that, I usually take along anyone I can find at DL when I feel like grouping, but you should realise that there are dedicated RvR invaders groups out there, and if you get killed 2 - 3 times in a row because your group simply is too low level to beat them, you need to be in a good mood and have a lot of patience to keep going. Sometimes I run out of good mood and out of patience, or I just want to mass kill invaders, in which case I would rather join a lvl 50 group. And there really isn't anything bad about it.

 

[Noche]

Zerg eh... I mean MEZ... those albs