What is a Bard?

[-chancer-]

What is/ are a bards main priority's with in a group


it seems that they can either be healer's (rezzers), Buffer's, or tanks

whats there main role in a group though?

are bards just secondary healers and rezzers after druids?


and what about battlebards that ive seen mentioned on this board

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Depending on the kind of group you're in, but the rpimary function of a bard is crowd control. Like the Healer in Mid and the Sorcerer in Alb.

In PBAE groups this isn't needed so they just play End or Power song the whole time whilst going off and having a real life .

Battlebards are weapon specced bards (and D shouts prolly). You don't see many of them as they're on a rather low dmg table, and it cuts into your other specs.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by old.Lianuchta


Battlebards are weapon specced bards (and D shouts prolly). You don't see many of them as they're on a rather low dmg table, and it cuts into your other specs.

They are on the same damage table as wardens etc... *sighs*
Only drawback is the small shield and the lack of scale (like Blademasters).

You still spec in nurture (group friendly) but the points other bards (aka drum whores) put in regrowth, you put in blades/blunt.

If you can't find a group, you can solo high yellows and low orange mobs.
In RvR you can actually defend yourself (as so many bold Shadowblades have learned already).
All in all - more fun than a regular bard at the cost of no points in regrowth.

My two coppers.

 

[Flimgoblin]

same damage table as :

wardens/friars/paladins/skalds/thanes

I think rogues might fall into it too...

obviously spec in weapons +stats affect it but I'm pretty sure all the hybrids are at the exact same 35% drop in weaponskill versus the pure tanks.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Fingoniel
same damage table as :

wardens/friars/paladins/skalds/thanes

Tadaaa!


Well, if one prefers XYZ cookie cutter template chars in their groups... *shrugs* Whatever floats your boat.

I, personally, find playing my little Battlebard most exciting and rewarding to play. Trying out new things keeps the game alive and fun.

 

[Cloak_]

No such thing as dmg tables

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by N07ABL3
No such thing as dmg tables

So how is the damage calced out then? Seriously.

 

[old.Arnor]

Wpnskill?

Just a thought.

I have 1367 wpnskill with me zerker, 50+9 in axe/leftaxe and 230 str.

Throw in some comparisons

 

[old.Kladen]

i think that there are also no such thing as damage tables. but the reason why pure tanks can hit harder is coz their stre is higher.

and thats why friars hit ard coz they can buff themselves.

 

[Cloak_]

Wep skill is directly affected by Str,

So, I do honestly believe (will be having more testing come nxt patch) that there is no such thing as dmg tables PER class

 

[Aeternus]

Originally posted by old.Arnor
Wpnskill?

Just a thought.

I have 1367 wpnskill with me zerker, 50+9 in axe/leftaxe and 230 str.

Throw in some comparisons

Ive got 875 weaponskill with my champion, 42+3 in blades and 170str. Once I get my selfbuff ill be around 222 str, compared to current str buffs my weaponskill will be around 1050, so thats around 35% difference still.

 

[Sabu]

What is a Bard?

Well what a bard means for an alb tank. Bard = The guy with the guitar who you must target and kill fast. Thats all

(maybe can be some confussions with the guy with the staff if you use full helm. Don´t mind kill the guy with the staff too)

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

If strength was the sole factor of determining damage and hits, nurture druids, enhancement clerics and buffing healers were the kings of the battlefield.

Hard to believe.

 

[<Wels>]

Originally posted by sickofit...
If strength was the sole factor of determining damage and hits, nurture druids, enhancement clerics and buffing healers were the kings of the battlefield.

Hard to believe.

No its not the sole factor, add weapon training and you got it (for str using weapons)

 

[Flimgoblin]

Originally posted by N07ABL3
Wep skill is directly affected by Str,

So, I do honestly believe (will be having more testing come nxt patch) that there is no such thing as dmg tables PER class

same strength/spec a Paladin will have 35% less weaponskill than an armsman or a mercenary

 

[<Wels>]

give me pictures, not a quote from whineboards

 

[old.chesnor]

There definately are class based dmg tables. Weapskill isn't just about str, it depends on your weapon type (Friars use 100% dex for example, thrust is str/dex). As someone above said, a lvl50 armsman wil outdmg a lvl50 pally (all other things being more or less equal) by about 35%. Not because he has more str, but just because he is an armsman.

Back ot, bards are a great class. 2 skills that define them, mezz and speed. Battlebards are cool imho, since your survivability is high (like aug specced healers, smite clerics) and alot of people see a bard and think its a touch, because they're a banjo playing freak with like 1 in blades. Wrong

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Problem is that you wear reinforced armor and as such can't last as long as say a warden/palladin/friar(with evade5?).

Sidenote: I have read stuff about staff wardens, anyone reckon that staff bards are viable?

 

[Arlone]

Both me (armsman) and my minstrel friend have specced 39 in thrust and we're using the same quality crafted sword. I hit for _slightly_ more as I have more str+dex than he does.

If there were any damagetables he would hit for alot less than me tho, as I'm pure fighter and he's rogue.

If there are any damagetables rogue and fighter are very close to eachother <shrug>

Friars hit almost as hard as polearmers (sometimes harder depending on bonuses on armours) and yet they would be on some healing/gimp-table. Agreed damage raises quite a bit when buffed but a friar hit hard anyway, as do polearmsmen.

Almost wish there were damagetables but it seems not.

[EDIT]

on the other hand the paladin vs. armsman thingie makes me wonder once again ...

Are you comparing pole with 2-handed or something? Only thing I can see that would make armsman 'a better tank' is that we get to spend more points in defensive skills (block/parry) as we don't have any chantline.

I dunno tho

[/EDIT]

 

[VidX]

What is a bard?

A Bard is the Hib class which, as of next patch, gets the insta-CC spells so we can kick yer ass even better mwuahahhahah

</Ewul Usp mode>

Seriously, a Bard is a very good class. As has been sid above, a Bard has a number of roles to play. In normal groups (non-pbaoe) a bard is primarily the CC and song provider. Can also res and backup heal to help Druid. In pbaoe groups, the Bard plays the mana song and can deal with most of the healing, as there isn't usually much due to the Warden Bladeturn taking most of the hits.

Bards can go AFK alot (as Devlin has done in the past, group of 5 in Cullen, mid-30's, Locomo (Tank and agro holder), Revminster (Ranger and puller), Moddru (Druid and healer), Usp (Nuker, speed, and, err... nuker), Devlin (Asleep, /stick and End song) taking on mid/high lvl 40 mobs).

RvR: Bard is great to have in your group. Speed song, heals, end song mid-fight, power song if no mentalist about, CC, resses, kil-stealing with DD shout, that sorta thing

Yes, a Battlebard would be an interesting spec, though not as effective as a Skald due to needing instruments for the songs. Could be worth a try on my bard