What do you run with for RvR ?
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Aran Thule
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When i run my group we try to have two druids, bard and warden as base.
We are not running a set fixed group and have a pool of friends that come along so normally the rest of group is BM, champ, ench, eld or bainshee.
But then we are playing to have fun rather then own everything out there and people are playing characters they like rather then thoose that are optimised.
Normally get wiped by the more experianced groups but think we do well given that most are low realm rank and new to the frontier.
We are not running a set fixed group and have a pool of friends that come along so normally the rest of group is BM, champ, ench, eld or bainshee.
But then we are playing to have fun rather then own everything out there and people are playing characters they like rather then thoose that are optimised.
Normally get wiped by the more experianced groups but think we do well given that most are low realm rank and new to the frontier.
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2 bards is overrated imo..
other than speed 6, there's not much the second bard brings to the group 1 good bard can't do alone. The extra interupter is nice...but a main bard can cover that tbh.
my group was running
bard, druid, druid, eld, menty, bainshee, bm, bm
that worked pretty well till one of the BMs quit and we tried to sub it with a vamp or hero.
now we've switched to
eld, bainshee, bm, bm, hero...works much better for 8v8
other than speed 6, there's not much the second bard brings to the group 1 good bard can't do alone. The extra interupter is nice...but a main bard can cover that tbh.
my group was running
bard, druid, druid, eld, menty, bainshee, bm, bm
that worked pretty well till one of the BMs quit and we tried to sub it with a vamp or hero.
now we've switched to
eld, bainshee, bm, bm, hero...works much better for 8v8
Joor
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2 bards is overrated lol ok 
Lockdown is so easy when you run with two. Have you ever tried running with bards who got AM3 - druids will love you
Most good mid group use a BD..and if u only got 2 casters he will lock them down 24/7.
Vs albs who got 2 sorc, caba and theurg.The bard will have it very hard interupting them tbh.
Lockdown is so easy when you run with two. Have you ever tried running with bards who got AM3 - druids will love you
Most good mid group use a BD..and if u only got 2 casters he will lock them down 24/7.
Vs albs who got 2 sorc, caba and theurg.The bard will have it very hard interupting them tbh.
Well 1 bard has weakness where he cant interrupt full time, has to demezz and maybe rebuff bases midfight, plus if he gets stunned and dmg focused on him, hes dead.
If you have 2 bards, you have 2xdemezz, 2xzephyr plus one bard runs end, other 16% body/energy/spirit chant, not only is it easy to back each other up interrupting in case one has to pull back, or gets stunned.
Basiacally its close to impossible to get close to a hibgrp with 2 bards if you try to move in with casters without moc. Its hard for enemy support to help out tanks, since they get interrupted if they move close
I like 2 bard alot more than not 2 bard, since you can actually compete with mid interrupts(omg!).
If you have 2 bards, you have 2xdemezz, 2xzephyr plus one bard runs end, other 16% body/energy/spirit chant, not only is it easy to back each other up interrupting in case one has to pull back, or gets stunned.
Basiacally its close to impossible to get close to a hibgrp with 2 bards if you try to move in with casters without moc. Its hard for enemy support to help out tanks, since they get interrupted if they move close
I like 2 bard alot more than not 2 bard, since you can actually compete with mid interrupts(omg!).
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Joor said:2 bards is overrated lol ok
Lockdown is so easy when you run with two. Have you ever tried running with bards who got AM3 - druids will love you
Most good mid group use a BD..and if u only got 2 casters he will lock them down 24/7.
Vs albs who got 2 sorc, caba and theurg.The bard will have it very hard interupting them tbh.
I have AM 3, and yes its nice, having it twice in a fight is gr8...but i wouldnt use a group slot for 1 extra AM tbh.
and with moc its not so hard to lockdown in 8v8. the only problem coming when other people moc...which 2 bards isnt going to make any better ;P
I guess it's just personal preference, but personally when i've ran a second bard i never see anything happening i couldn't do alone...Interupts are never a problem really, we always run either a floating vamp or a bainshee in last spot for our tank grp which i find works far better...not only can they lock 1 target down, but they kill it aswell...something i've yet to see a second bard bring
Also our eld is mana, which helps
Edit: dallas, if a bard runs his resist chants it cancels any CL resist or druid resist buff you have up, and if that bard dies or you go out of range you have no resist at all..
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Was thinking about...
Druid - Perf - 42/33
Druid - Conv - 40/36
Bard - Soj
Warden - BM
Chanter - Conv
Eld - Conv
Ment - Warlord 45/28
BM - Banelord
Haveing a Ment and Warden instead of Hero/Bain and second bard.
Still have a second demezzer but also get Warguard TWF and ST with out gimping Damage out put (chanter debuffing for Ment and Eld) or suviabliity.
Druid - Perf - 42/33
Druid - Conv - 40/36
Bard - Soj
Warden - BM
Chanter - Conv
Eld - Conv
Ment - Warlord 45/28
BM - Banelord
Haveing a Ment and Warden instead of Hero/Bain and second bard.
Still have a second demezzer but also get Warguard TWF and ST with out gimping Damage out put (chanter debuffing for Ment and Eld) or suviabliity.
Alexandrinus
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2x druid
1 bard
1 warden or second bard
and atleast one long range nuker/NS and one BL tank rest changeable
we even ran with a shroomer...ohh thats was fun
1 bard
1 warden or second bard
and atleast one long range nuker/NS and one BL tank rest changeable
we even ran with a shroomer...ohh thats was fun
athom
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Carlos Bananos said:I have AM 3, and yes its nice, having it twice in a fight is gr8...but i wouldnt use a group slot for 1 extra AM tbh.
and with moc its not so hard to lockdown in 8v8. the only problem coming when other people moc...which 2 bards isnt going to make any better ;P
I guess it's just personal preference, but personally when i've ran a second bard i never see anything happening i couldn't do alone...Interupts are never a problem really, we always run either a floating vamp or a bainshee in last spot for our tank grp which i find works far better...not only can they lock 1 target down, but they kill it aswell...something i've yet to see a second bard bring
sounds like rvr is really easy for you... gj
what happens for us sometimes is, that the bard gets stunned while in moc and possibly killed too or he has to purge+phaseshift cus druids might be facing problems with pets/heretic/bd whatever at that time
its not only for am3 we have two bards. ofc its good, but nothing special. 2x sos is also sweet. and ofc you got moc for 30 secs, but when fighting high rr grp's ist hardly enough to win the fight. believing its interrupts that wins the fights and ofc its better with 2 bards when you face other grp's interrupt machines. if you you lack damage with 1bm/eld/chanter/bainshee setup, there is really smth wrong with ppl in your grp imo
eld is nuking for about 650-750 after debuff and with chanter assisting targets can die pretty fast, while a bainshee can solo targest and kill pets + interrupt if needed etc... with 2 bards in the grp, they should hopefully be able to stay uninterrupted and do their damage (this is the part where moc becomes an issue etcetcetc)
there will always be diffrent views and opinions and thank god, otherwise it would be a pretty boring game tbh... this is just what works best for us
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athom said:sounds like rvr is really easy for you... gj
what happens for us sometimes is, that the bard gets stunned while in moc and possibly killed too or he has to purge+phaseshift cus druids might be facing problems with pets/heretic/bd whatever at that time
its not only for am3 we have two bards. ofc its good, but nothing special. 2x sos is also sweet. and ofc you got moc for 30 secs, but when fighting high rr grp's ist hardly enough to win the fight. believing its interrupts that wins the fights and ofc its better with 2 bards when you face other grp's interrupt machines. if you you lack damage with 1bm/eld/chanter/bainshee setup, there is really smth wrong with ppl in your grp imo
eld is nuking for about 650-750 after debuff and with chanter assisting targets can die pretty fast, while a bainshee can solo targest and kill pets + interrupt if needed etc... with 2 bards in the grp, they should hopefully be able to stay uninterrupted and do their damage (this is the part where moc becomes an issue etcetcetc)
there will always be diffrent views and opinions and thank god, otherwise it would be a pretty boring game tbh... this is just what works best for us
yea i see what you mean, we use a totally different playstyle it seems tho.
our eld is mana, since it's a support caster its not there for DPS, thats the bainshee's job, so the eld manages to keep the enemy train diseased + snared, which pretty much leaves our support free...when they do happen to catch someone (charge etc) shear+disease+red s/c debuff makes them pretty much nonfactors.
we have a BM+hero on train which puts out enough dps and a second rr11 bm which floats on and off the train... the eld plays a support roll so we have 4 dps classes which are putting out dmg to 3 different targest at the same time, or they will go tank to tank, and 2x bm and battlemaster hero beats any train handsdown (alb celerity trains are pretty hard now)... interupts are the last problem i face as a bard...
The main problem are the high rr11+ alb caster grp's on our server. Red debuffed and nuked by 6 different casters is more than any druid can heal through
Edit: looking at Rew's post i'd agree an rather run a warden over a second bard, warden has to have pro skills tho to bring anything to group...
Adlatus Hellbringer
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Gear said:Bard
Druid
Druid
Warden
Chanter Light
Chanter Mana
Eld Light
Vamp Dementia with aom5
That's been one of the best setups we tried and I loved it
This is quite possibly the best setup u can use imo... worked a treat every time
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Would say DPS on mana eldie nukes actually better than light spec ones with current resist situation...yell energy resist buffs vs red cold in most grps, skimped tempate energy resists or none at all. Only have to do the maths, but in practice find my eld does better damage as mana spec. With freebie snare component it's a no brainer.Carlos Bananos said:
Trend of skimping heat resists now...if I was spec light I'd try a few runs using baseline nuke instead and see how it worked out.