Werewolf Werewolf Extreme ; GAME FINSHED

[old.Tohtori]

Toht - How could a vote now be anything other than random? Starting on a day, with no weird special roles going on.

Explain yourself.

It's not that everything is random(which my vote per example wasn't), it's that your reaction to asking "why thorwyn" was met with two different reactions.

1st reaction was ignoring it more or less, with light innuendo.
2nd reaction(when voted on), caused you to counter vote.

Now that you see that a no lynch seems most likely a scenario, you hop on that train.

It's all very fidgity.

Why don't you explain how suddenly a no vote makes sense to you, after voting fro two different entities?

 

[Mabs]

train of thought spam before someone says "why"

Spoiler

2 Werewolves
1 Seer
1 Nurse
7 Villagers

- no vote, we lose : seer/nurse/villager anyway

vote we lose seer/nurse/villager/wolf AND ^

worst case scenario; we miss today, tommorow :

2 wolves, 7 others
then we are 2/9 . they are 2/7 for special
best case:
1 wolf, 8 others
then we are down to 1/9 and they are 2/8

no vote: 2 wolves, 8 others

then we are : 2/10 wolves, and they are 2/8 important person assuming no loss in #1 case

too early to declare seerage ?

im leaning towards a no vote atm, prob safer, might cost us dear tho if were unlucky

 

[Will]

The short version is that, assuming one kill per night, with an odd number, we will finish with a night kill. With an even number, we would finish with a daytime vote. So the only way to make that happen is with a single no lynch. This means that when we have our last chance to lynch, we will be picking out of a smaller number of potential wolves, with fewer villagers to muddy the water, so to speak.

This is purely an odds thing. If someone were to drop a huge clanger on day one, then by all means lynch them. Otherwise, a no lynch is sound.

That isn't the best explanation. I'll try to explain better after I've finished writing my essay.

 

[ECA]

Posted before toht - quoting myself to prove it.

Actually I think no lynch makes sense because we're unlikely ish to get any momentum going, and it's actually good for the wolves to kill someone fast with the current rules - because it's likely inactives are going to be smited from above very fast in the first few turns - hence if we kill someone and they are innocent, and people get smited - we're in a very bad hole very early.


unvote twatori
vote no lynch

Why don't you explain how suddenly a no vote makes sense to you, after voting fro two different entities?

I already explained why - why are you obfuscating so early?

Either you're a wolf, or you're just being a tard ruining the game for your own self enjoyment by provoking a confrontation - as we know the path these confrontations take. ( shitting up the game ).

 

[Will]

Its probably just Toht being Toht. He does love to argue for the sake of it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yes you posted before me, but you turned your sled around quite quickly.

As i said, how come after plenty of time and after one radom vote, and one vengeance vote, you suddenly decided a no vote is best?

As i said, it's fidgity and you seem to grasp at every train there is leaving the station. All you had to do is explain how you suddenly changed your mind to the most popular option.

Claiming i'm either a wolf or ruining the game is low.

 

[Ch3tan]

So what ECA and Will are saying is - we burn toht now, and everything becomes less confused?

I can dig that.

 

[Mabs]

either>

a- eca is picking no Toht
b- toht is being a twat
c- both of the above
d- they are wolves together having a public bun fight cos its far too obvious otherwise... ?

hmm!

trust no 1 ! apart from me, cos im nice

 

[Will]

So what ECA and Will are saying is - we burn toht now, and everything becomes less confused?

I can dig that.

As much as it might make life easier later, I don't think we have enough evidence to get with the lynching on him. I don't think its a Toht/ECA bunfight either. They could both start a fight in an empty room.

 

[ECA]

Its probably just Toht being Toht. He does love to argue for the sake of it.

So what ECA and Will are saying is - we burn toht now, and everything becomes less confused?

I can dig that.

I feel like that most of the time when I'm stuck in a village and the mayor dies and people get turned into sausages at night - it's easier to burn toht just so things get less confusing - but I think regardless it could just be toht being toht and burning an innocent would be detrimental.

either>

a- eca is picking no Toht
b- toht is being a twat
c- both of the above
d- they are wolves together having a public bun fight cos its far too obvious otherwise... ?

hmm!

trust no 1 ! apart from me, cos im nice

A but only because of B, so also C but not D because D would be stupid.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well it worked out nice and dandy, this whole "confusion".

unvote: ECA

For one.

Second, could Ch3tan explain why -

A; he's going against the one person who agreed with his question towards ECA(about the reason for thorwyn), -after- he noticed that people were going against me?

B; why he still hasn't voted for no vote, after advocating it?

Everyone else seems to vote for the no vote as they think it's the best choice, but Ch3tan fails to do so.

 

[Mabs]

far be it for me to defend chet, but in general , do we really want a "YOU HAVENT VOTE ZOMG !" accusations, rapidly followed by "ZOMG YOUR BANDWAGON JUMPING¬!"

if you want to rock the boat, or not, give reasons frankly, or be under suspicion

/manifests in the corner

 

[Ch3tan]

far be it for me to defend chet, but in general , do we really want a "YOU HAVENT VOTE ZOMG !" accusations, rapidly followed by "ZOMG YOUR BANDWAGON JUMPING¬!"

if you want to rock the boat, or not, give reasons frankly, or be under suspicion

/manifests in the corner

What have I been accused of that I need defending?

 

[Will]

Ch3t : Have you still got Toht on ignore?

 

[Mabs]

Second, could Ch3tan explain why -

What have I been accused of that I need defending?

i was replying to that line of argument, not defending you per se

 

[old.Tohtori]

far be it for me to defend chet, but in general , do we really want a "YOU HAVENT VOTE ZOMG !" accusations, rapidly followed by "ZOMG YOUR BANDWAGON JUMPING¬!"

if you want to rock the boat, or not, give reasons frankly, or be under suspicion

/manifests in the corner

Common tactic in a WW game, rock the boat, see how people react, check for patterns and look what isn't where it should.

ECA voting was a stepping stone, get some reactions going. I have no doubt he didn't just pick someone out by random.

Ch3tans actions and lack there of, more under scrutiny.

(FYI, off-game; Stop taking out of game things into game, i'm playing the game, not doing some bullshit you claim and i'd appreciate people keeping those out of the thread AND PM)

 

[old.Tohtori]

"I have no doubt he didn't just pick someone out by random." <--poorly written, mean that i think ECA did choose a random.

 

[Mabs]

VOTE: NO LYNCH


no compelling evidence at this stage , and am off to bed

will check update in the morning

 

[Olgaline]

Well,
The way I see it, is we should be focusing more on the subject of should we, or shouldnt we lynch,
I've been hurting my little brain trying to figure out wich is more benificail. but either way time will on it's own take care of the no lynch,
all we need to do for that to happen is basicly...Nothing,

 

[Olgaline]

That's to say more specifically, what are the actual pro/cons of a lynch.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well,
The way I see it, is we should be focusing more on the subject of should we, or shouldnt we lynch,
I've been hurting my little brain trying to figure out wich is more benificail. but either way time will on it's own take care of the no lynch,
all we need to do for that to happen is basicly...Nothing,

That means we lose a random villager.

If no desicion, someone dies.

Was that a slip-up, hmm?

 

[Ch3tan]

Ch3t : Have you still got Toht on ignore?

The volume on my ipod has a mind of it's own, it seems to drown out everything he says.

I was hoping that anything worthwhile would be quoted by others, obviously not a lot has been worthy so far!

 

[Olgaline]

Was that a slip-up, hmm?

Dont forget to read the fat bolded letters ?

 

[Ch3tan]

That's to say more specifically, what are the actual pro/cons of a lynch.

A lynch tonight has the highest chance of hitting a villager. We also have an equal chance to hitting a seer or nurse as we do of hitting a wolf.

As Will said, if we no lynch tonight we finish the game on a day phase, not a night phase. This gives us a last chance on the final day.

No lynch is the way to go, however we shouldn't vote in haste until everyone has a chance to speak.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Dont forget to read the fat bolded letters ?

Yes? If no vote is reached, someone will be killed.

You were saying that a no lynch will happen if we do nothing, but if we do nothing, someone dies.

 

[Will]

TBH we will never get a concensus in the time available, especially when people will be asleep for a large part of it. The only way we won't lose someone at random is if we actively chose no lynch so no one will die.

On the other hand, tomorrow, I'll be well up for lynching someone. Unless the wolves decide not to kill someone. Stranger things have happened.

 

[Ch3tan]

Well,

all we need to do for that to happen is basicly...Nothing,

Hmmm, well no.

The rules our dead mayor left us say "the least significant player will be killed", which is open to interpretation. I read it as meaning the least active player would be killed.

 

[Will]

Face it, our mayor's ghost will probably be tucked up in bed. We can talk shite all night if we want. Though I'll end up dropping out of uni if I do too much of that. I have exams starting very very soon.

 

[Ch3tan]

mod I think you should have gone with 24 hour days. 6pm to 6am is hardly a friendly time for most of us. Don't know if that is open to change, or you just feel like being evil.

 

[Olgaline]

I'm going to go with a No lynch,
since the ulternative is worse,

Vote: No Lynch