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[Lazarus]

Guys,

Now ADSL is almost upon me, I want to be able to design a personal website (plus host one for the local primary school)

trouble is, I have never designed a webby in my puff.

I have Frontpage 98, Frontpage 2000 and Dreamweaver 2004 MX.

Any one better (easier) to use than the other?

any help / recommendations welcome

 

[sibanac]

Frontpage spits out god awful code, that will make your eye's bleed.
Dreamwever generates nice code but isnt as easy to use.
nvu works under windows aswell, but is still beta.
From playing with it at work, it seems to work pretty well and isnt all that hard.

 

[Lazarus]

thanks sib.

I may stick with Dreamweaver. Like I said - the web page (at first) isnt going to be all that brilliant, but I reckon ill need to use one or tother. And being a developer meself, i would prefer ncier code

 

[sibanac]

thanks sib.

I may stick with Dreamweaver. Like I said - the web page (at first) isnt going to be all that brilliant, but I reckon ill need to use one or tother. And being a developer meself, i would prefer ncier code

If you are a developer, dreamweaver shouldnt be that hard.
Unless ofcourse you are a cobol or fortran developer then the GUI might be a shock

 

[Lazarus]

If you are a developer, dreamweaver shouldnt be that hard.
Unless ofcourse you are a cobol or fortran developer then the GUI might be a shock

well, cobol and fortran are amongst the may (redundant) languages tha I do have experience with.

I reckon Ill just need to bite the bullet and grab the chicken by the horns and give it a go!

 

[Panda On Smack]

is it gonna be a static site or are you gonna put some dynamic stuff in?

html or asp/variant basially?

i user dreambeaver and pretty much always have, its got a handy complete funtion which pops up a little box when you start typing a bit of recognised code so u can just complete it without typing anymore.

 

[Lazarus]

is it gonna be a static site or are you gonna put some dynamic stuff in?

html or asp/variant basially?

i user dreambeaver and pretty much always have, its got a handy complete funtion which pops up a little box when you start typing a bit of recognised code so u can just complete it without typing anymore.

If I knew what that meant I probably wouldnt be in here

 

[Panda On Smack]

heh

are you gonna make loads of htmls and link them together or are you going to try and use a database to store content and use templates to pull in the relevant data via ASP or PHP?

 

[Lazarus]

erm.......yes








i think




not sure yet tho





maybe both :S

 

[gunner440]

regarding html

it's better if you get some background knowledge on the basics, i.e. how the simple code works etc before you jump into using the design packages

this helps loads in the long run and allows you to create sites which don't look like 99% of the geocities ones :/


as for recommendations i'd try xara webstyle as a plugin type program for the main web design packages

 

[jaba]

Laz, get yourself a good book on PHP and learn it, its one of the best programming/scripting languages I have ever used..I absolutely love it....and variable variables are teh win!!11!

 

[fatbusinessman]

Laz, get yourself a good book on PHP and learn it, its one of the best programming/scripting languages I have ever used..I absolutely love it....and variable variables are teh win!!11!

Agreed - PHP == win

Not entirely sure about variable variables though...

 

[sibanac]

Agreed - PHP == win

Not entirely sure about variable variables though...

Well I must confess since I never realy bothered with PHP since I can do the same and more in perl.
PHP does look pretty nice tho.
But variable variables sounds like a security nightmare to me!

 

[gunner440]

Laz, get yourself a good book on PHP and learn it, its one of the best programming/scripting languages I have ever used..I absolutely love it....and variable variables are teh win!!11!

everyone starts with html tho !

without it... theres no web :l

 

[Lazarus]

lets not get to far ahead of ourselves here children

im old so learning is gonna be difficult for me

What I need is something that i go :

click, click, click, click, click, click, click,

and a fancy spangly web page appears

 

[gunner440]

you can try with the pre-made templates on frontpage/dreamweaver then

tho i think the frontpage ones are easier

 

[Panda On Smack]

I forsee a black page with a space type BG and a midi file playing the A-Team theme tune and some rainbow dividers.

Am i right? huh? High Five!

 

[jaba]

in which case dreamweaver is best in my experience...
variable variables I dont think are a security problem just a realy cool feature where you can tack on variable name onto anothers and it can reference another variable...confusing but very useful!

 

[wyrd_fish]

dream weaver's dead good for learning HTML

if i were you, i'd learn HTML and then use a text editor

 

[Deadnala]

notepad is the best but dreamweaver is cool to i use dreamweaver allso, project setup and ftp support is good allso the clored php synthax owns just put DW in textview imo then you learn html faster if you not know html yet.
greetings

 

[Lazarus]

thanks guys.

Gonna reinstall Dreamweaver after the reformat. Might "sell" off Frontpage

 

[jaba]

I used to be a notepad boy but then I discovered the wonder that is textpad, has alll the html tags as macro tye things, so you can just click them and it does all the work for you

 

[wyrd_fish]

i too used to use notepad, untill i discovered crimson editor with full HTML and PHP syntax highlighting

 

[sibanac]

i too used to use notepad, untill i discovered crimson editor with full HTML and PHP syntax highlighting

as Tdc will say aswell
real men use vi

 

[jaba]

Nice! looks pretty good but can it stand up to the might of..duh duh duh...multiedit and mine has a higher version than yours so nerr

 

[wyrd_fish]

crimsons free though

and free = good

 

[Lazarus]

crimsons free though

and free = good

Heh!! Spoken like a Scotsman

 

[jaba]

hehe, fair point! ok then..to your free crimson editor, I raise you net beans! free IDE as well as editor! mwahhahaha see if you can beat that if you will

 

[Shovel]

NetBeans is rather sluggish at the moment though.

I'm still an HTML-Kit man myself, since it goes rather beyond HTML I use it for editing every flavour of script I come across (Perl, VBs, PHP, the lot).