We need to zerge more.

[Sycho]

I saw it comming and quoting myself:In the beginning we were happy to win 1 out of 5 fights vs the opted alb and hib groups. Seometimes we didnt win more than 3 fights during a whole 3 hour session.

Are you expecting to win without putting any effort into it? Then of course zerging is the way to go. But you know what? The people who put time and effort into RvR will still beat you!

I suggest you read my post above.

Then again i guess you have no idea how hard a perfect group is to make in alb or how long it takes, you can be at apk for 2-3 hours you know that?(if you looking for a good theurgist -_-) would you want to wait that long now and then? no bet you do not.Doesn't matter when there's more mid high rr fgs out all on stick or near each other does it?

Got it? good.

 

[Archeon]

Personally I don't get the hostility towards zerging... no wait, I do... when people zerg it means teh uber l33t high-RR perfect groups can't farm the low-RR 'casual' players. It gets on my nerves how people think there are right and wrong ways of doing things, if your only in the game for the RP's you should play CounterStrike or somthing, atleast their XML/ranking boards don't go down from time to time due to patching bugs and such.

Maybe zerging takes less 'skill' than 8v8, but being realistic there's no way in hell casual players will ever be able to even come close to competing with RvR guilds, why do you think they kick-up such a fuss when people do zerg/talk about zerging? Its because they lose the easiest source of their RP, casual players trying to play on their terms. If they actually wanted a challenge they'd encourage people to run in 2, or maybe 3fg's so they could test their legendary 'skills' but the sad truth is that when they run you down they don't give a shit about who you are, they just care that they've added another 2k odd realm points onto their virtual penis.

instead of letting them screw you, screw them for a change. Play on your own terms, and keep doing so until the day they start paying your subscription for you.

- Zergling #23,293(b)

 

[Jeriraa]

a) When I said make an opted group then I didnt mean "Sit in Sauvage and look for random people."! I meant find those willing to put time and effort into RvR, find 2 or 3 days a week where you can play together and do it.

b) You dont need a perfect group when people are used to each other. KN group is currently running with 2 healers only and we're doing ok.

c) (to Archeon) Those people you call leet play the game different than you. Thats right. I've seen both side and I can say I prefer to be "leet" then. Because for me that means playing 2 days a week for 3 hours with a team I know and I am used to. Its something I am looking forward to while the rest of the game got boring to me.

 

[Sycho]

a) When I said make an opted group then I didnt mean "Sit in Sauvage and look for random people."! I meant find those willing to put time and effort into RvR, find 2 or 3 days a week where you can play together and do it.

b) You dont need a perfect group when people are used to each other. KN group is currently running with 2 healers only and we're doing ok.

Who said about sitting in sauv looking for random people?you can't read can you?or just trying to bring another subject up?

 

[Arus Canus]

<bump>

 

[Jeriraa]

you can be at apk for 2-3 hours you know that?(if you looking for a good theurgist -_-) would you want to wait that long now and then?

Sauvage or portal keep in Emain - where is the difference?

Btw, whats a good theurg? What makes a good player? To me it is not the RR. Ofcourse a high RR has more tools to his disposal but...

Give me a RR11 Savage and I will most likely suck playing him.
Give me a RR3 Healer instead of my RR5L7 and I will still do my bit to win the fight.

 

[Sycho]

Sauvage or portal keep in Emain - where is the difference?

Since when is a good theurg a random person? there is far far more shamans than theurgs, we have like 10 theurgs MAX lv50 online you know at primetime.Yes you do definetly need one too.That's all i been trying to say, which is true, yet you post other stuff without even thinking about this.

A good theurg is one that uses his pets more than his nukes.

I wish it was as easy as midgard to make fgs, but it's far from it mainly due to this.

 

[Jeriraa]

Since when is a good theurg a random person? there is far far more shamans than theurgs, we have like 10 theurgs MAX lv50 online you know at primetime.Yes you do definetly need one too.That's all i been trying to say, which is true, yet you post other stuff without even thinking about this.

I wish it was as easy as midgard to make fgs, but it's far from it mainly due to this.

Its actually funny that you mention shamans. In KN we have multiple backups for basicly every class but shaman. We have 1 active RvR shaman atm. (Check the size of our guild.)
Its the same everywhere in Midgard. RvR Shamans are very hard to find and I am not even talking about good ones.

It seems to me that everything you posted so far are excuses not to take the initiative and justify the general alb whine.

 

[Archeon]

c) (to Archeon) Those people you call leet play the game different than you. Thats right. I've seen both side and I can say I prefer to be "leet" then. Because for me that means playing 2 days a week for 3 hours with a team I know and I am used to. Its something I am looking forward to while the rest of the game got boring to me.

I've got nothing against that, as I said. Play on your own terms and nobody elses. That applies to everyone. Personally I prefer my RvR to be arround keeps, so i'm really looking forward to NF . However, what I was getting at was the people who bitch just because not everyone wants to do 8v8 RvR.

Run around in an opted group until your so sick of DAoC you throw your PC out the window for all I care, just don't try and stare down at me like i'm some sort of sub-human just because I enjoy a different aspect of RvR to you.

 

[Sycho]

Its actually funny that you mention shamans. In KN we have multiple backups for basicly every class but shaman. We have 1 active RvR shaman atm. (Check the size of our guild.)
Its the same everywhere in Midgard. RvR Shamans are very hard to find and I am not even talking about good ones.

It seems to me that everything you posted so far are excuses not to take the initiative and justify the general alb whine.

So you saying you do not need a theurg?you also saying 4fgs of high rr mids are easy to beat?

You didn't even read my post from the start, just trying to say other stuff to ignore it.

HELLO i am speaking of alb in general if you didn't realise this, it's not easy at all for non rvr guilds to make good groups to have a chance in rvr, i understand that people playing together often does help but we speaking of non rvr guilds mainly here, people that do not rvr 24/7 like some people(i do not rvr much myself lately.)

You can go whack 2-3 healers and 1 shaman together to do well, we need 2 clerics 1 mins 1 pala 1 theurg 1 sorc 1 friar(yet we have to lose one/two of these usually lately).

xD

 

[Arethir]

Its actually funny that you mention shamans. In KN we have multiple backups for basicly every class but shaman. We have 1 active RvR shaman atm. (Check the size of our guild.)
Its the same everywhere in Midgard. RvR Shamans are very hard to find and I am not even talking about good ones.

It seems to me that everything you posted so far are excuses not to take the initiative and justify the general alb whine.

Please go highjack someone elses thread and go QQ more on your own boards.

 

[Jeriraa]

just don't try and stare down at me like i'm some sort of sub-human just because I enjoy a different aspect of RvR to you.

I never did and never will.

I enjoy keep fights aswell but there I am playing hunter. If I tell you that my RR4L3 Huntress is fully TOA spellcrafted and my "gank group" healer has never ever seen a spellcrafter since spellcrafting was introduced you should get the idea.

 

[Jeriraa]

So you saying you do not need a theurg?you also saying 4fgs of high rr mids are easy to beat?

You didn't even read my post from the start, just trying to say other stuff to ignore it.

HELLO i am speaking of alb in general if you didn't realise this, it's not easy at all for non rvr guilds to make good groups to have a chance in rvr, i understand that people playing together often does help but we speaking of non rvr guilds mainly here, people that do not rvr 24/7 like some people(i do not rvr much myself lately.)

You can go whack 2-3 healers and 1 shaman together to do well, we need 2 clerics 1 mins 1 pala 1 theurg 1 sorc.

xD

Ok, you seem to have trouble understanding me. Dunno if its cause English is not my 1st langue or if you just dont want to. Anyways, I will try the step by step thingy for you:

Why dont you get together and make an opted group?
Answer (not from you):

Opted group wont do shit if your enemies are 6 realm ranks higher then you.

... wich I saw comming already when I made my initial post: You will get steamrolled anyways, you say? So what? What do you think happened to us when we started running our guild group?
Wich you answered talking about how hard it would be to make a assemble a perfect group.

Then again i guess you have no idea how hard a perfect group is to make in alb or how long it takes, you can be at apk for 2-3 hours you know that?

When I said make an opted group then I didnt mean "Sit in Sauvage (or Emain portal keep for that matter) and look for random people."! I meant find those willing to put time and effort into RvR, find 2 or 3 days a week where you can play together and do it.
You then bitched about me saying Sauvage instead Emain. (Who's off the track here?)
Then you claim I said a good Theurg would be a random person and even more funny, that you dont need a Theurg at all. - Seriously, I never said that. (You're off the track again, not me.)

To sumarize what I said: Stop the whine and do something. Yes, you will loose more than you win in the beginning but thats life. You either put effort into a good group or you zerg.

 

[Ginius]

I never did and never will.

I enjoy keep fights aswell but there I am playing hunter. If I tell you that my RR4L3 Huntress is fully TOA spellcrafted and my "gank group" healer has never ever seen a spellcrafter since spellcrafting was introduced you should get the idea.

And there we seem to have a hugh difference. You seem to have enough time to play 2 different chars. Most ppl here don't have that time. Sure, here (in Albion) are some guilds who can replace nearly every needed char with an other. But most can't. We (my guild) tried to set up a regular rvr group. We had a good start against other tankgroups, but then times changed and castergroups got fotm. We were killed within seconds and there was realy no fun. So we gave it up, because we don't have the time to get up all new needed classes to be fotm and stay a chance against midgroups. My Sorc is nearly dead since then. I don't have the time to wait for an "opted" group to have a little chance and he is not needed for guild rvr anymore. We don't have it. So I'm mostly out with my Inif, solo and unbuffed. And it is much more fun to get killed in 3 to 4 hits by a full buffed sb or ns then to be killed in 1 second by 3 to 4 assisting and debuffing nukers.

To change that, I tried to set up 2 decent groups, not opted, not leet, just decent with 2 Clercs, 1 Mincer, 1 Sorc and 4 damage dealer (whow, you are running with only 2 healer, you poor ). I got 9 ppl together, 2 of them where Necros, only 1 Cleric, no Mincer and me the only Sorc. I will try this again, but I don't see much chance to get them together.

 

[Sycho]

Ok, you seem to have trouble understanding me. Dunno if its cause English is not my 1st langue or if you just dont want to. Anyways, I will try the step by step thingy for you:

Why dont you get together and make an opted group?
Answer (not from you):... wich I saw comming already when I made my initial post: You will get steamrolled anyways, you say? So what? What do you think happened to us when we started running our guild group?
Wich you answered talking about how hard it would be to make a assemble a perfect group.
When I said make an opted group then I didnt mean "Sit in Sauvage (or Emain portal keep for that matter) and look for random people."! I meant find those willing to put time and effort into RvR, find 2 or 3 days a week where you can play together and do it.
You then bitched about me saying Sauvage instead Emain. (Who's off the track here?)
Then you claim I said a good Theurg would be a random person and even more funny, that you dont need a Theurg at all. - Seriously, I never said that. (You're off the track again, not me.)

To sumarize what I said: Stop the whine and do something. Yes, you will loose more than you win in the beginning but thats life. You either put effort into a good group or you zerg.

Please show me where i posted you can't do much if an opted fg is 6 realm ranks higher than you, it was arus, see you can't read.You said my posts were just excuses, i.e pointless which means you were saying that having a theurg was pointless.I know about putting efforts into fgs a lot more than a mid thanks.

 

[Arus Canus]

<bump> nm mids wont ever realize how easy they have it.

no point arguing, discussing with them.

 

[Jeriraa]

Please show me where i posted you can't do much if an opted fg is 6 realm ranks higher than you.

Answer (not from you):...

 

[Sycho]

<bump> nm mids wont ever realize how easy they have it.

no point arguing, discussing with them.

I have played mid 1.5 years and alb 2.5 or a bit more, but i guess i do not know nothing it seems when a mid tells me about my own realm xD

Anyway, i can't be bothered arguing anymore since it will not change what is happening at the moment, it's no one's fault that we lack some of the classes we need which make us suffer in rvr.(i am speaking about alb generally, not my guild)

It takes a lot of time and effort to make that good fg work, people just can't be bothered with it, you can't blame them either, they play different to you, so just accept it, not everyone wants to make perfect groups to beat the high rr 3-4fgs of mids out there.Sure it's easier in my guild to make decent fgs, although we haven't had a decent one out lately because of it being hard to get certain people due to real life.(so you usually see mixed PE/FL fg out only)

 

[Jeriraa]

And there we seem to have a hugh difference. You seem to have enough time to play 2 different chars.

Usaly playing 2 weekdays for 3 hours + weekends these day.

We (my guild) tried to set up a regular rvr group. We had a good start against other tankgroups, but then times changed and castergroups got fotm. We were killed within seconds and there was realy no fun. So we gave it up, because we don't have the time to get up all new needed classes to be fotm and stay a chance against midgroups. My Sorc is nearly dead since then.

We're still running tank setup but replaced warrior and healer with casters. Vs groups like PE (or BO for that matter) your group setup doesnt matter shit. You cant expect to win unless you're all high RR. When we die to PE we try to avoid them. If we cant we go somewhere else and take a keep or something.

I don't have the time to wait for an "opted" group to have a little chance and he is not needed for guild rvr anymore. We don't have it.

I know the feeling. Was the same to us before our GM got people together and started the fixed group. Ever since then guild focus shifted to RvR. Atm I am actually trying to get the guild into doing more PvE together again. (We were once one of the strongest PvE guilds in Mid.)

 

[Xeanor]

You still haven't understood what sycho said.... try reading all his posts again.

 

[Jeriraa]

Nah, I wont. Read every of them 4 times.

It's more likely that he didn't understand me. Going by his comments like "but i guess i do not know nothing it seems when a mid tells me about my own realm" I am actually almost certain.

 

[Sycho]

Nah, I wont. Read every of them 4 times.

It's more likely that he didn't understand me. Going by his comments like "but i guess i do not know nothing it seems when a mid tells me about my own realm" I am actually almost certain.

I did understand you, you just didn't post anything to do with what i did well some of it was but some of it was nothing to do with what i was saying.

 

[Azraeth]

a) b) You dont need a perfect group when people are used to each other. KN group is currently running with 2 healers only and we're doing ok.

only HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Jeriraa]

only HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Get a clue tbh. Maybe find out what the 3 different healers actually do in a group. Then come again.

 

[mirieth!]

hi der m8z

/bg join sycho for teh emain zerg!

kthx xDDDDDDddd

 

[Lotheric]

Telling Sycho about Alb is like telling Jenna Jameson how to blow someone

 

[Jeriraa]

Thats why I didnt tell him. And about blowing... I only recieve. Dunno about you thou.

 

[Kahland]

Thats why I didnt tell him. And about blowing... I only recieve. Dunno about you thou.

a funny tard

 

[Platina]

I suggest you read my post above.

Then again i guess you have no idea how hard a perfect group is to make in alb or how long it takes, you can be at apk for 2-3 hours you know that?(if you looking for a good theurgist -_-) would you want to wait that long now and then? no bet you do not.Doesn't matter when there's more mid high rr fgs out all on stick or near each other does it?

Got it? good.

Dont need Perfect group to beat random mids ofc you will have a hard time to Beat rr8+ groups but mids have a hard time beating them aswell.
seen plenty of non l33t albs killing random mids, just couse you cant win vs 1-2 mid guilds that prolly rvr alot more then many of you albs. and ffs matt first you blame svgs now you blame on youre own realm couse lacking of good players ZZZ ROLL A FUCKING THURG AND SHOW THEM xD hehe matt Pm

 

[Arus Canus]

ZZZ ROLL A FUCKING THURG AND SHOW THEM xD

He has one iirc!