Ways of killing overpowered hibs

[Edlina]

Originally posted by Easy
If you have Determination Level 2, a well-specced Bard
will be able to mez you for 49 seconds the first time.
At Level 3, you'll be able to move after 38.5 seconds.

Considering the fast pace of RvR nowadays, believe me,
that's like... eternity

And getting Determination above Level 3 will cost you
a lot of realm skill points, influencing the development
of your character significantly IMO.

Actually your quite off, the bards aoe mezz obviously have a main target, and the mezz time lowers the further away from the center of the mezz the person is, thus meaning most mezzes, with det 3 wouldn't last much more than 20 secs. Not to mention stuns of all different kind (such as defending tanks with slam or casters stun or anything) is reduced to ridiculous lenghts and won't stun for more than 2 sec, thus the tank doesn't need to purge the stun and that leaves an easier time of purging the right mezzes, the ones that last long, 6 rsp isn't that much all considered, and should be much higher on the "to get" list than stuff such as mastery of parry block or pain, since the tank only need to interupt not make a crit, not to mention the fact that pbaoe does the dmg to the tank, not something the tank could actually block or parry.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by Edlina


, not to mention the fact that pbaoe does the dmg to the tank,

Yeah,emain afternoon is like this:

xxxxx was just killed by sofragile
xxxxx was just killed by krypt
xxxxx was just killed by teador
xxxxx was just killed by sofragile
xxxxx was just killed by sofragile
xxxxx was just killed by teador

Hmmm where the fuck are the hib tanks death messages?

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Teador


too bad mezz doesnt interrupt

resisted spell keeps you interrupted. mez, stun etc.
Killed 50 enchanter in odins with my 40 healer and friend 41 zerk.
used this thing to prevent him from casting.
And best thing - he just blew moc to spend it in interrupt mode.
PS. All chanters are st00pid

 

[j000 d000d]

Originally posted by old.Sko

resisted spell keeps you interrupted. mez, stun etc.
Killed 50 enchanter in odins with my 40 healer and friend 41 zerk.
used this thing to prevent him from casting.
And best thing - he just blew moc to spend it in interrupt mode.
PS. All chanters are st00pid

I wonder why ive been spammed with mezz then and not interrupted

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
NO BARD has mezzed me more than 30 secs.... with det lv2 and capped body resists+aom 1,maybe you should ask hrodelbert about lv4 the main reason i really got it was because of the faggot enchanters with their silly overpowered stuns.

I mezzed hrodelbert with flute mez, lasted under 20 seconds.

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Teador


I wonder why ive been spammed with mezz then and not interrupted

cause you didnt resist it.

 

[walkerb]

Originally posted by -redb-






I could mabe /slap spam your tanks, some bound to agroo me instead of a caster


Minst that use sos when there solo to run off (cba to w8 5 or so mins to port back) should be shot. You's hafv no idea how much sos after mez'd a whole group messes things up.

sos cant be used while mezzed so if the minstrel is mez he would have to use purge first then sos

 

[granny]

Quick question: Why don't mincers use AE mez in RvR?

I know it's greatly inferior to Bard's AE mez (5 secs cast time, 30 sec duration at 45 spec) but it's still AE mez. I honestly don't think I've ever seen a minstrel use it in RvR yet we're all being shown over and over again that AE mez is the *single* defining ability of RvR.

 

[<Wels>]

Originally posted by granny
Quick question: Why don't mincers use AE mez in RvR?

I know it's greatly inferior to Bard's AE mez (5 secs cast time, 30 sec duration at 45 spec) but it's still AE mez. I honestly don't think I've ever seen a minstrel use it in RvR yet we're all being shown over and over again that AE mez is the *single* defining ability of RvR.

Because with ressist its down to 20(15 on hibs) in the center and in the edges it can be down to a stop and go, oh not to mention you cats it and target walks...crawls out of reach.

 

[Svartur]

Well we mids got the power relics now so hopefully they will nuke a bit less now.

At least some help versus hibs.

 

[case-rigantis]

Originally posted by granny
Quick question: Why don't mincers use AE mez in RvR?

I know it's greatly inferior to Bard's AE mez (5 secs cast time, 30 sec duration at 45 spec) but it's still AE mez. I honestly don't think I've ever seen a minstrel use it in RvR yet we're all being shown over and over again that AE mez is the *single* defining ability of RvR.

try playing a minstrel in RvR and you`ll see..I barely get time to cast 1 3 second mez before i have 3 or 4 mid/hib tanks beating the hell outa me

the AE mez is an absolute joke ...press button..start waving arms about...everyone moves out of range or a bard presses insta or cast mez...if you don`t get targeted by a person capable of interupting or mezzed

have you seen how far a tank can sprint in 5 seconds? its a long way easily long enough to run over beat you to death and run off before the stupid AE mez animation has finished

 

[granny]

Damn, that sucks :/

OK what about Sorc AE mez? Mind spec 44 gives (according to CoC 72 sec AE mez with 3 sec casting time? Same cast time as Bard's AE mez, has wider radius (400 instead of 350) and uses less power?

 

[case-rigantis]

part of the reason we currently have no sorcerors..sorc casts AE mez..hibs group purge ....insta AE mez albs...beat sorc to death ..PBAOE rest of group everyone dead

minstrels AE mez...beaten to death before animation finishes ..or..group purge...AE insta mez albs...beat minstrel to death..PBAOE rest of group everyone dead..

IMO a way to beat hibs...

1 air theurgists
1 minstrel
1 cleric
1 ice wizard
1 infi
3 tanks ideally s/s pally`s

idea is air theurg pet spam the chanters..infi goes immediatly for the bard/druid...hib tanks come forward pally`s slam ice wizzy PBAOE.. this plan also requires teh minstrel to be far enough away from group to unmez anyone straight away and attempt to mez anyone he can ideally bard/tanks
it might not work but it`s worth a try

 

[old.mattshanes]

Ahem vs hibs= 2 fast damage dealers through pbt is useful ^^

Quite a lot of groups can be good for them it really matters down to the players and who they target.If hibs have that 90-100% resists ra up those ice wizzies will not do much and air pets can be cc'ed at the moment

Wizzies really should try aoe to interupt hibs since we can't really mez them.

 

[granny]

That defo sounds worth a try. How about DoT's on chanters/bards too? A reaver or two might help there. WOn't stop the insta AE mez but could stop follow-up CC.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Originally posted by granny
That defo sounds worth a try. How about DoT's on chanters/bards too? A reaver or two might help there. WOn't stop the insta AE mez but could stop follow-up CC.

That ra resist thing they have will mean you will not hardly effect them although procc dots from weaps seem to do so ,could stop their cc though.

 

[old.mattshanes]

My group in odins once:

1 air theurg
2 rejuv clerics
1 sorc
1 mins
1 pala
1 armsman
1 merc

We beat 10 hibs that kept coming about 5 times or so,beat around 10 mid groups too,all i know i left odins gaining 60k more for the day which wasn't bad for odins

Just shows really can make decent groups with any classes aslong as they are mixed within it.

 

[granny]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes


That ra resist thing they have will mean you will not hardly effect them although procc dots from weaps seem to do so ,could stop their cc though.

Yeah i meant just to interrupt casting, the DoT's do naff all damage anyway even before resists

 

[old.Bubble]

Originally posted by granny
Damn, that sucks :/

OK what about Sorc AE mez? Mind spec 44 gives (according to CoC 72 sec AE mez with 3 sec casting time? Same cast time as Bard's AE mez, has wider radius (400 instead of 350) and uses less power?

Sorcs do aoe mez
i cast a 1min aoe mez with the same radius as a bards


mincers also don't caster AOE mez because if they do i moan at them

edit- also i should add with my capped dex my mez castering time is below 3 secs
when buffed by a cleric i can get it down to close to 1.5 to 2 secs

bards and healers can probley get the same casting time (maybe a bit longer because of the extra class dex i get from being a caster)