Wassup Hibs?

[fungus]

You know, all the 'Yeh, but this happened all the time in OF' is all fine and dandy, but that didn't actually affect the game much one way or another.

Player numbers in Midgard are dropping steeply, and there's less people RvRing all the time. Hell, there's less people ingame in total. It's a good day when we have more than 300 people on in primetime. THAT worries me a lot more than those stupid relics.

try playing hib /who all results 250 primetime on average. with max 100 lvl 50's on. Really if Alb would do a proper RR and come with around 200 ish ppl hib's just cant hold up to that force. Its just a matter of time ...

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Yes, Hibernia has fewer players. It's ALWAYS had fewer players, it's never been a popular realm.. The point is that ALL realms are haemorrhaging players left and right, and this situation is going to lower YOUR player numbers as well. You have fewer to begin with, so it'll only hit you harder.

At this rate Albion will have two underpopulated realms to fight against, and that's no fun for anyone.

 

[Vermillon]

try playing hib /who all results 250 primetime on average. with max 100 lvl 50's on. Really if Alb would do a proper RR and come with around 200 ish ppl hib's just cant hold up to that force. Its just a matter of time ...

250+250+250 = 750

The population of Prydwen does not exceed 800 most of the time.
So we have 50 more people spread on the other 2 realms, if i count your way
so is about 250+275+275 = 800
What tell you all those 275 are lvl 100?
I doupt only 2/5 of hibernia are lvl 50 either.
The number of players that rvr from ALL 3 realms are almost EQUAL, get over with it. Only that mids and albs dont move always with all realm force together, we are not as organazied as you say

-For the overmind!!

 

[Bhalage]

to Vermillion:
u are wrong by far m8, i played hib and there is a huge difference in players numbers.

i think alb /who would give more then 250ppl 100lvl50 but havent checked it out properly, my guesses would be 4-500ppl 300lvl50. but i have no fooking idea who are those 300lvl50 and what are they doin xD

to Fungus:
u guys dont have the manpower maybe but got the shrooms ;>

 

[Puppet]

I don't see what the fuss is; why would anyone (who is not a stealth char) go to Emain to find a group? Surely they would group up in DL before setting out, and then guard patrols are a minor detail any group can handle. This argument holds no water.

Except indeed stealthers and the occassional non-sneak char who wanted to solo. Also dont forget you make it sound it holds no water for the majority; but if YOU are the one affected you dont care about the majority, YOU are the one affected and YOU are the one who cannot get to Emain.

I know atleast 3 people in Hib/Pryd who logged when Hibs didnt have Ailinne (sometimes Bolg). Yes, those people where mostly solo'ers; but they got as much rights as the ones who run a gankgroup.

 

[Vermillon]

Vermillion u are wrong by far m8, i played hib and there is a huge difference in players numbers.

i think alb /who would give more then 250ppl 100lvl50 but havent checked it out properly, my guesses would be 4-500ppl 300lvl50. but i have no fooking idea who are those 300lvl50 and what are they doin xD

Man i dont have problem to discuss it but how can albs can be that many, given the population of prydwen be about 800-850 max at pick times. It was like that the last times i loged in game.
With 250 Hibs ther are MAX 600 Mids AND Albs. Its simple logic and maths.
600/2= 300 which gives a diference of 50 more on mids and albs, than the hibs. Coutning that not all those 250Hibs/300Mids/300Albs are lvl 50 and RvR, the the numbers we have left for rvr tend to be small and the difference is diminish. 10-20 poeple is THAT big number to cry about.

In order for Albs to be that many those 600 must be more albs than mids. Then we have like 400 Albs and 200 Mids AND 250 Hibs. Hell yes !! if is like that i would accept mids to talk about low population but not Hibs. In either case Hibs souldnt talk about population anymore.
But as i belive in the first case were the populations are prety equal. Is just hibs that rush to yell that they geting zerged when it happens to get killed by 2-3 more enemies. While they ignore the many situations they outnumber their enemy, just because they are use to the idea of that low population thing which existed log log time ago. Especialy on Prydwen the numbers are NOT that high to create a population misspread issue. What sould be our concern is the server population it self and not the population per realm.

 

[Puppet]

ALB HIB MID

Characters 7,799 (39%) 5,343 (27%) 6,711 (34%) 19,853
Active Characters 3,016 (40%) 1,993 (26%) 2,556 (34%) 7,565
Level 50's 2,918 (39%) 1,760 (24%) 2,719 (37%) 7,397

 

[Vermillon]

ALB HIB MID

Characters 7,799 (39%) 5,343 (27%) 6,711 (34%) 19,853
Active Characters 3,016 (40%) 1,993 (26%) 2,556 (34%) 7,565
Level 50's 2,918 (39%) 1,760 (24%) 2,719 (37%) 7,397

Make your calulations with the lvl 50 that ACTUALY play at a particular time and not the SUM of the lvl 50 that are register in a DATABASE.
The you sould concider that Prydwen has a max population of 850 at any given time. That the population and not the statistic you give here.


When you see Prydwens population be 7397 give me a phone call.

 

[Bhalage]

well i can do some /who querys this nite

to Puppet : well those numbers are tricky and overall statistics only

 

[Puppet]

Make your calulations with the lvl 50 that ACTUALY play at a particular time and not the SUM of the lvl 50 that are register in a DATABASE.
The you sould concider that Prydwen has a max population of 850 at any given time. That the population and not the statistic you give here.


When you see Prydwens population be 7397 give me a phone call.

What is your point? You think somehow Albion players follow another playing pattern then Hib players? That is very unlikely. So no matter how you turn it; those numbers (the %) are pretty accurate; be it 18:00 CET or 23:00 CET.

Your numbers of 'max population of 850' is something I also dont believe. I dont know if a general /who counts anon-people; but if I get a 270 online on Hib/Pryd and we assume an equal share of Albs and Mids is online at that time it would give Prydwen a population of about ~1040:

270 Hibs
415 Albs
353 Mids

You can come with all kinds of theories but there's simply no reason to assume Hibs have suddenly a larger share online then the statistics indicate. Atleast I cannot think of any reason which I could just apply to Midgard and Hibernia too.

 

[fungus]

Man i dont have problem to discuss it but how can albs can be that many, given the population of prydwen be about 800-850 max at pick times. It was like that the last times i loged in game.
With 250 Hibs ther are MAX 600 Mids AND Albs. Its simple logic and maths.
600/2= 300 which gives a diference of 50 more on mids and albs, than the hibs. Coutning that not all those 250Hibs/300Mids/300Albs are lvl 50 and RvR, the the numbers we have left for rvr tend to be small and the difference is diminish. 10-20 poeple is THAT big number to cry about.

In order for Albs to be that many those 600 must be more albs than mids. Then we have like 400 Albs and 200 Mids AND 250 Hibs. Hell yes !! if is like that i would accept mids to talk about low population but not Hibs. In either case Hibs souldnt talk about population anymore.
But as i belive in the first case were the populations are prety equal. Is just hibs that rush to yell that they geting zerged when it happens to get killed by 2-3 more enemies. While they ignore the many situations they outnumber their enemy, just because they are use to the idea of that low population thing which existed log log time ago. Especialy on Prydwen the numbers are NOT that high to create a population misspread issue. What sould be our concern is the server population it self and not the population per realm.

simple math yes but but your assumptions are wrong at primetime its not 800 online but around 1100+ if i am correct informed.

mids already stated its max 300, hib max 250 and adding 25% anon's on both will result in (250 + 62.5) hibs + (300 + 75) mids = 687.5. 1100 -687.5 ~ 412 (non anon + anon) albs. neway the point is if alb would really want to take the relics they have the largest playerbase and thus the biggest chance if they put effort in it. Its just a matter of time.

 

[Conjurus]

Really if Alb would do a proper RR and come with around 200 ish ppl hib's just cant hold up to that force. Its just a matter of time ...

Why do you help them, let them figure out this kind of stuff for them selfes

 

[Vermillon]

Your numbers of 'max population of 850' is something I also dont believe. I dont know if a general /who counts anon-people; but if I get a 270 online on Hib/Pryd and we assume an equal share of Albs and Mids is online at that time it would give Prydwen a population of about ~1040:

270 Hibs
415 Albs
353 Mids

Exactly. You assume that you are outnumbered. Thats my point.
And how many times when you have /who = 270 Prydwen realy had 1040 people online? Becasue if it not then my calculations is the right one. And from what i expirience there are not many times you see Pydwen population more than 900, and if at some point it is more , then propably at that time /who in Hib will give more than 270 too. I cant belive that only albs log in the server after a certain hour.

p.s I dont say Albs have a differend play style, i say exactly the oposite. We all zerg the same and with the same numbers.

 

[Gahn]

oO

When was last time a /who in Hib showed more than 200? It's more like 160-180 roughly, then can be some days that some1 got bored from Excal and plays Hib Pry or we have something organized (like Aran raids) when every 1 and his dog comes (saw even some1 renewing sub to get to last raid tbh), that's it.

 

[Belomar]

I know atleast 3 people in Hib/Pryd who logged when Hibs didnt have Ailinne (sometimes Bolg). Yes, those people where mostly solo'ers; but they got as much rights as the ones who run a gankgroup.

Only you make this (Mids owning Hib keeps) out to be the reason why we saw so few Hibs in Emain in OF, yet these soloers and stealthers are hardly a force to be reckoned with in the grand scheme of things (group vs group or zerg vs zerg). Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we see so many Hibs in NF, and me and my group is hardly fazed by Hibs owning Bledmeer (only annoyed, since it makes us have to run further, like Hibs had to do in OF), but there is no need to bring up irrelevant things in this discussion.

 

[Puppet]

Exactly. You assume that you are outnumbered. Thats my point.

Ofcourse I *ASSUME* Im outnumbered; because I *AM* outnumbered. See statistics. See GOA decision to call Hib/Pryd underpopulated. Or see IRC and ask populations like I did a million of times in #prydwen.stealthers. *NEVER* Hib/Pryd had a higher number then either Alb or Mid.

Are we gonna argue here that Hib/Pryd isnt outnumbered? If so; be my guest ask for a few days on IRC for population. Im happy to help you for Hib/Pryd if im online.

And how many times when you have /who = 270 Prydwen realy had 1040 people online? Becasue if it not then my calculations is the right one. And from what i expirience there are not many times you see Pydwen population more than 900, and if at some point it is more , then propably at that time /who in Hib will give more than 270 too. I cant belive that only albs log in the server after a certain hour.

Doh.. You totally missed my point. I made the point that there's no reason to assume either Hibs, Mids or Albs en-masse login at a certain point where the two other realms dont. So *IF* Hib/Pryd has 270 online (which is quite alot for Hib; I agree on that) you can safely assume Mids and Albs also have alot online (relatively for their realms).

p.s I dont say Albs have a differend play style, i say exactly the oposite. We all zerg the same and with the same numbers.

The reason 'of equal numbers' is because the Hib/Pryd RvR population is relatively higher. That is what makes Hib/Pryd seem more populated from a quick glance when you look over RVR.

Im pretty sure that *IF* Albs had the same RVR-active share of their population as Hib/Pryd, Albs would totally overrun Hibs every time. Luckily for us they dont.

For example this weekend I saw a 'Green Peacekeepers' guildgroup out RvR'ing. Yes *guildgroup* it was a fg of GPK. That's what makes Hib/Pryd at the moment perform so well: EVERYONE is in the frontier; even guilds who have not big RvR-experience make a group and go to battle. Everyone comes; everyone does its best.

 

[Bubble]

god hes still crying because hes outnumbered?
Please get over it, GoA reconised this and gave you the bonus.

 

[Dorin]

why arguing over simple facts?

 

[Boggy]

Think it would be a lot easier to stop talking about population if people would stop saying "Look, you won a fight, how can you claim to be underpopulated?"

 

[Ovi1]

Exactly. You assume that you are outnumbered. Thats my point.
And how many times when you have /who = 270 Prydwen realy had 1040 people online? Becasue if it not then my calculations is the right one. And from what i expirience there are not many times you see Pydwen population more than 900, and if at some point it is more , then propably at that time /who in Hib will give more than 270 too. I cant belive that only albs log in the server after a certain hour.

p.s I dont say Albs have a differend play style, i say exactly the oposite. We all zerg the same and with the same numbers.

Since NF nearly every night the population of Hib shown on the GoA home page is well over 1000, and I don't remember seeing /who Hib being 270 or higher very often.

We may not always be outnumbered in the frontiers, but a lot of the time we certainly are.

 

[Luz]

First of all, when I log into DAoC most of the times around 18.00 GMT, population in server choice shows ~1000-1100 on a typical evening.

Second, the stats provided seems a little of, here´s from GOA official Hall of Honor.

(no not actual numbers at a given time AS POINTED OUT ALLREADY, but it´s a good pointer IS IT NOT ???)
Active Chars :
Alb = 2452 (39,96%)
Hib = 1506 (24,54%)
Mid = 2178 (35,50%)

If we take the percentage of chars and add it to a normal evening (1000 pop).


Alb = 400
Hib = 245
Mid = 355


Seems to be what people are saying? END OF STORY.

 

[Maleg]

Only you make this (Mids owning Hib keeps) out to be the reason why we saw so few Hibs in Emain in OF, yet these soloers and stealthers are hardly a force to be reckoned with in the grand scheme of things (group vs group or zerg vs zerg). Don't get me wrong, I'm happy we see so many Hibs in NF, and me and my group is hardly fazed by Hibs owning Bledmeer (only annoyed, since it makes us have to run further, like Hibs had to do in OF), but there is no need to bring up irrelevant things in this discussion.

Actually a lot of Hibs did stop playing OF due to the 50 - 100 Mids in Emain, the policy of 'encouragement' by taking Keeps along the run to Emain and camping along the run to Emain. A fair number of those Hibs that left due to this haven't come back with NF, personally I doubt they'll come back, I know it's unlikely I'll ever play Hib / Pryd again.

 

[Straef]

Hibs rock, nuff said

 

[Luz]

oh forgot to say!

If you poke a hole with angry bee´s long enought, they´ll come up and sting you in the ass!

:touch:

 

[Xxcalibur]

Actually a lot of Hibs did stop playing OF due to the 50 - 100 Mids in Emain, the policy of 'encouragement' by taking Keeps along the run to Emain and camping along the run to Emain. A fair number of those Hibs that left due to this haven't come back with NF, personally I doubt they'll come back, I know it's unlikely I'll ever play Hib / Pryd again.

tbh we atm dont need those hibs who left hib/pryd in OF, the other hibs who stayed are a family now ^^