Warlock - ouch

[willowywicca]

Im just saying it's mathematically possible and u said it wasnt, so I am right u are wrong ahahahahHAHAHAhahAHHAhahahahHA

Well, I still don't think you can ever cast at 1sec cast speeds, so I stand by it only being 2 casts possible in 3 seconds..

If you can show me a log of say 100+ casts which display a 1 sec cast speed I might be made to believe it is possible.. tho really, a larger sample should be used cos of lag etc..

 

[Tiques]

Really, do you actually rvr besides being on bled bridge ?

Running in odins/emain/Hadrains wall, encountered many an alb fg+ when sorc has mezzed our fg first due to range (and CB arti has no use due to AOE mezz spam), 1 sorc spams aoe mezz and interupts entire fg whilst rest of alb grp attacks, and when sorc stops spamming mezz, just lifetaps, sheez you complain about BD 1 button lifetap, farking hypocrites, have you seen a warlock take a fg of albs by suprise ? No i take it, then stfu and let me roll a warlock without you crying!

2 sorcs a different matter, and I read about it, yes, but it was not an opted group (no skalds or pac healers to interrupt the sorcs with instants.. mezzed? Purge?)

1 lvl 49 un-toaed and un-sc'ede sorc vs 1fg wont take down 1 of them, if they have purge (which you should have, unless your pretty new to the game) (the level + gear was that of the warlock killing a cleric so quickly and without being interruptable)

I never complained about BD's being a 1 buttom lifetapping class, thank you very much, they are worthy opponents in the battlefield, a fully ToA'ede one is a different matter in 1on1, but they are doable

Ofc Warlocks are doable as well, I dont think they will make me quit the game or anything, as I play a stealther, in my eyes they are just another caster to killl <drols>

What I commented was your way of thinking "You have something good and insanely overpowered!!! MOMMY! I WANT SOMETHING TOOOOOO!!!11!11!!!11eleven!11!!"

If you just want to shout and curse, it will be pretty pointless responding to your posts...

 

[Gnor]

MIds please listen up here .. majority rules and always will and thats why Albs will always have better characters .. better range .. better armour ..etc etc . GoA/mythic will always mother the baby of the family that cries and whines because another child has a better or newer toy then themselves. More and more people are leaving Midgard to play WoW and other games because there is nothing there to hold their attention anymore . Warlock wont make any difference because with enough whines that have obviously already started its inevitable that Warlock will be nerfed even before it reaches European servers . So Albions you can stop whining , MOTHER will look after you as she`s always done , now pick your toys up and put them back in your prams .

 

[Kaleid]

Time to stop and be mature

Interesting that everytime a new set of chars comes out we go through this. A toon is only as good as the guy playing it and the guy its fighting so to hit an afk char is a bit silly. Even if he is 'only' level 49, its unrealistic and rather a waste of time.

The proof, as many have said, is how the class operates in real life RVR. That isn't the lets camp bled bridge RVR but the organised group, siege, beseiged warfare.

Some of those none Mid posters here should remember the song and dance kicked up about BD's and how in real life they are fairly poor.

Also what you all need to consider is that this is designed as a GROUP game.You are meant to organise groups and in a balanced and designed way go kick ass. We are not talking about a solo caster fighting solo anyone, a solo caster is going to get wiped by a zerg.


As to what other realms have ( the impossible to beat shroom farms in lord room or sorcs) so what ? Find a way to beat it. Get organised and grab the challenge in both hands.

SO lets manage the hysteria and wait to see what happens eh? If you have a test character to play with , instead of doing this sort of exercise why not use him to find weaknesses and ways to beat him and then post that. That would be much more interesting.

:touch:

 

[Bubble]

its not possible for a Sorc to do 2750 damage in 3 seconds
I have around 400dex and 10% casting speed
My Nukes cap @ 621 thats with MoM3 (and Relics i think..but i think relics help you reach your cap not increase it)

3 seconds is at most 2 Nukes and 1 melee attack
My Buffed ML9 pet can melee for 900 (normaly a 2h templar doesn't go over 700)
So 2 capped nukes for 1242(not taking into account the normal 40% body resists everyone has) and a melee attack for 900 doesn't add up to 2750 does it

 

[Belomar]

I am far from up-to-date about the casting speed caps (was quite a long time ago I was a dexterity monkey instead of a silly old Dwarf), but isn't it possible to get up to 60% spell haste with all the bonuses from dexterity and ToA? Or was that the old number when we still had +25% cast speed bonuses?

 

[Yma]

It's a beautiful fight of numbers and little details, you can't cast 3 nukes in 3 seconds, you need 3.3 seconds ... meaning you can /release 0.3 seconds after ...

 

[Tiques]

its not possible for a Sorc to do 2750 damage in 3 seconds
I have around 400dex and 10% casting speed
My Nukes cap @ 621 thats with MoM3 (and Relics i think..but i think relics help you reach your cap not increase it)

3 seconds is at most 2 Nukes and 1 melee attack
My Buffed ML9 pet can melee for 900 (normaly a 2h templar doesn't go over 700)
So 2 capped nukes for 1242(not taking into account the normal 40% body resists everyone has) and a melee attack for 900 doesn't add up to 2750 does it

Not to be double-moral guy, but to me it seems the Warlock in the given example uses 4 seconds anyway? I know he have 1 resist, but if he hadnt, it would have been 2nd last DD killing in same second as the last, which means more than 3 seconds, hitting your 3.3 second from 1.1 cast speed cap..

Just thought I would mention before some mids saw it themselves

But anyway, on other matters mentioned:

MIds please listen up here .. majority rules and always will and thats why Albs will always have better characters .. better range .. better armour ..etc etc . GoA/mythic will always mother the baby of the family that cries and whines because another child has a better or newer toy then themselves. More and more people are leaving Midgard to play WoW and other games because there is nothing there to hold their attention anymore . Warlock wont make any difference because with enough whines that have obviously already started its inevitable that Warlock will be nerfed even before it reaches European servers . So Albions you can stop whining , MOTHER will look after you as she`s always done , now pick your toys up and put them back in your prams .

Mythic dont nerf/unnerf just based on amouth of whine the receive, they base the decision about IF they need to use(waste) time re-testing it further based on how many complains they get (1 complain is probarly invalid, while 1000 might have a point), but they dont nerf/unnerf without their internal testing showing an imbalance..

As to tell people they are lame for whining and complaining is a bit stupid, accually I would encourage all mids to go and whine about Sorceres if you want to see some balance and descripe WHY the sorcs are so overpowered and hope for Mythic to do some (probarly needed) testing soon.

 

[Ilum]

its not possible for a Sorc to do 2750 damage in 3 seconds
I have around 400dex and 10% casting speed
My Nukes cap @ 621 thats with MoM3 (and Relics i think..but i think relics help you reach your cap not increase it)

3 seconds is at most 2 Nukes and 1 melee attack
My Buffed ML9 pet can melee for 900 (normaly a 2h templar doesn't go over 700)
So 2 capped nukes for 1242(not taking into account the normal 40% body resists everyone has) and a melee attack for 900 doesn't add up to 2750 does it

It's mathematically possible

 

[Sycho]

I am far from up-to-date about the casting speed caps (was quite a long time ago I was a dexterity monkey instead of a silly old Dwarf), but isn't it possible to get up to 60% spell haste with all the bonuses from dexterity and ToA? Or was that the old number when we still had +25% cast speed bonuses?

386 dex with 10% cast speed is cap or real near it.

Comparing a sorc to a warlock is just stupid.

 

[Sycho]

MIds please listen up here .. majority rules and always will and thats why Albs will always have better characters .. better range .. better armour ..etc etc . GoA/mythic will always mother the baby of the family that cries and whines because another child has a better or newer toy then themselves. More and more people are leaving Midgard to play WoW and other games because there is nothing there to hold their attention anymore . Warlock wont make any difference because with enough whines that have obviously already started its inevitable that Warlock will be nerfed even before it reaches European servers . So Albions you can stop whining , MOTHER will look after you as she`s always done , now pick your toys up and put them back in your prams .

I guess you are one of those mids who never realise how good their classes are?

Alb may have better range at the moment but doesn't mean midgard can't fight back, midgard still has very good classes in the right hands.

 

[saitoh]

best i did vs a target with full resists with my lifetap was 510-30


mom4 , 3relics + 51 body


that guy is rr1 . 49lvl . no toa . mom1 ?

 

[Edaemos]

I love the "why do albs whine for nerfs when we finally get a good class" comments, always brings a smile to my face. As for the text, get a rr1 sorc and put him in lv1-5 lowbie items and other junk and feel free to show me the logs of him doing that kinda damage vs 28% body resist, hell i'd be shocked if he could do half that damage. Warlocks will be nerfed without a doubt, that kind of damage frontloaded so people have no time to react will cause in game imbalace (see LA zerks 2 shotting Hero's pre nerf) and much whine.

 

[Roadie]

all this talk of albs having strongest classes for ever etc....

dont you mids remember the introduction of savages? maybe its just they dont want that to happen again.

I still think the healer is the best class in the game neway

 

[remi]

saitoh shud it, your oped, and why even compare a fucking cc class nukes vs a nuker class? dont you fucking see the irony? (sorc is oped.)


anyway, warlock can be fun for a while, banelord + matter nukes will pwn alotze

 

[willowywicca]

saitoh shud it, your oped, and why even compare a fucking cc class nukes vs a nuker class? dont you fucking see the irony? (sorc is oped.)


anyway, warlock can be fun for a while, banelord + matter nukes will pwn alotze

Err a sorc can spec to be a nuker too.. it's in their body line, 209 spec nuke..

Whether they can CC or not is totally irrelevant to whether they can nuke or not..

 

[remi]

Err a sorc can spec to be a nuker too.. it's in their body line, 209 spec nuke..

Whether they can CC or not is totally irrelevant to whether they can nuke or not..

and then? saitoh's 510dmg nuke is not the 209dd init? ~

 

[saitoh]

saitoh shud it, your oped, and why even compare a fucking cc class nukes vs a nuker class? dont you fucking see the irony? (sorc is oped.)


anyway, warlock can be fun for a while, banelord + matter nukes will pwn alotze

ok im oped and walrocks and bds need a boost

 

[Bubble]

saitoh shud it, your oped, and why even compare a fucking cc class nukes vs a nuker class? dont you fucking see the irony? (sorc is oped.)


anyway, warlock can be fun for a while, banelord + matter nukes will pwn alotze

Yeah the warlock's going to oneshot someone and then get destroyed by that group

I was thinking of making a Warlock spec Full cursing for the 400+delv Bolt
without ToAed your still be hitting people for 1500+ (yes i know thats like a bonearmy spec bonedancer..but its more interesting than playing a 1shot then useless class)

 

[atos]

Rather go a spec with like 25hex 47 curse and 8wc, 1 chamber with a chambered 284 dd + NS, LT or DoT.

way to little utility with the last bolt. And you get the 1750 range primer.

I might add that spec DD is nasty! It's 30pt delve above the last lifetap. oO

 

[remi]

dunno how chambers work yet, but if you get 3 chambers at 30hex(?), i would go for the fotm spec a la 43curse, 30hex.

 

[Gnor]

Sycho .. i watched friends play DAoC for months and knew about the classes and range that Albion had way b4 i rolled my 1st toon ..which i might add was on Midgard SO if i thought Midgard classes where no good i`d have rolled a toon on Albion . Personally i like a challenge and thats why i rolled MId and not Alb . I know what i got in my toons and have loved playing my Hunter from day 1 of NF and wouldnt change realms for all the plat in Midgard ( which is mostly in Bluesky`s pocket )

SOOO i guess i`m one of those Mids who actually does realise what good classes he`s got BUT i also know when the balance favours another realm which is plain to see for anyone with half a brain and the reason why Albions population is so high .

 

[Sycho]

Sycho .. i watched friends play DAoC for months and knew about the classes and range that Albion had way b4 i rolled my 1st toon ..which i might add was on Midgard SO if i thought Midgard classes where no good i`d have rolled a toon on Albion . Personally i like a challenge and thats why i rolled MId and not Alb . I know what i got in my toons and have loved playing my Hunter from day 1 of NF and wouldnt change realms for all the plat in Midgard ( which is mostly in Bluesky`s pocket )

SOOO i guess i`m one of those Mids who actually does realise what good classes he`s got BUT i also know when the balance favours another realm which is plain to see for anyone with half a brain and the reason why Albions population is so high .

Midgard has always been better than alb up and until now where it is kind of even.We got range on sorc mezz and theurg pets but midgard has superior support in groups, you do not get better interupters than 3 healers 1 shaman and a skald.Alb population is high mainly probably due to the game title indicating to play alb, well one of the reasons, but the population of albion is the main reason why midgard is suffering at the moment on prydwen more than the class issues right now.

 

[Bubble]

No Class has the DPS of a Bonedancer, I'd say hib have much better support tho (I mean..Bard,Druid,Warden,Mana eldy..you have it all)

 

[Ilum]

Exactly, ive seen sorcs in molvic )lvl 35-40) 5 4/5 shot warriors, why do alb scream for nerf as soon as we have a caster capable of matching a sorc ?

AOE bolt range mezz wins against zergs, most lvl 49's an higher dont have purge or higher and are useless for 30 secs+ whilst mezzed, and with yellow con pet on them whilst sorc lifetaps is fair against a rm ? Or a theurg which spams constant stun pets so you are always interupted? Give mid a break will you ?

Albs cry and mythic nerfs, well its last chance saloon for mids, noone ever sees savages etc after LA nerf, so who is gonna see warlocks after a supposed nerfs, most mids will reroll fotm alb or just go WOW!

Ive spent 60 days /played on my rm to get her rr5+ and fully toa'd and still is usless against a rr1 sorc whilst mezzed and then life tapped,(and dont forget interupt form aoe debuff) so dont go screaming nerf because we can spec a line which gives us uniteruptable casts than you very much!

No, not exactly ~~

Just said it was mathematically possible. Yes sorc is a bit over the top, but that's about the only alb class. Warlocks are totally insane judging from logs. And really, Mid has every chance there is to do well in RvR, if they don't, its simply just because they dont manage.

There is nothing overpowered about a sorcs damage output or lifetap - many people can 4-5 shot just as well as a sorc can. It's just the combination of all the fluff that adds up to too much.

 

[Tasslehoff]

Err a sorc can spec to be a nuker too.. it's in their body line, 209 spec nuke..

Whether they can CC or not is totally irrelevant to whether they can nuke or not..

Would it be fair with our healer having a 209 spec nuke then?

It´s not irrelevant which other skills the class has got.

 

[Zebolt]

Would it be fair with our healer having a 209 spec nuke then?

It´s not irrelevant which other skills the class has got.

Doubt a new healer spec line with 209 value nuke would make the healer class better tbh and I doubt many would spec it. Depends what other abilities are in that line tho I guess..

 

[Tasslehoff]

Doubt a new healer spec line with 209 value nuke would make the healer class better tbh and I doubt many would spec it. Depends what other abilities are in that line tho I guess..

Go away.

I know much more about caster classes than you ;p

 

[Zebolt]

Go away.

I know much more about caster classes than you ;p

 

[Ilum]

209 dd's are gimped in midgard u c, overpowered bastids get 219 dd's :< (on a usable class)