Warden Specs

[Novo]

Hey all,

im thinking about starting a warden as Stealth classes will most likley die for the time being with ToA, Just looking at a few specs....

Was thinking of...

Regrowth: 16
Nurture: 36
Parry: 29
Blades: 44

But may be a bit to low on nurture/To high weapon? would the damage be okay? i also will only get low resist buffs with that spec... :s

or...

Regrowth: 32
Nurture: 49
Parry: 8
Blades: 29

What do you guys think??

Thanks

Novo

 

[Stallion]

49 nurt
42 reg
13 blades, you dont need any wep spec to interrupt and your heals > the dmg you do... or the dmg you actully do by interrupting more then 1 support > the actuall damage... forget about claw its to slow

Hey all,

im thinking about starting a warden as Stealth classes will most likley die for the time being with ToA, Just looking at a few specs....

Was thinking of...

Regrowth: 16
Nurture: 36
Parry: 29
Blades: 44

But may be a bit to low on nurture/To high weapon? would the damage be okay? i also will only get low resist buffs with that spec... :s

or...

Regrowth: 32
Nurture: 49
Parry: 8
Blades: 29

What do you guys think??

Thanks

Novo

 

[Novo]

thanks ill look into it

 

[Novo]

looks nice but ill got 6 blade, just for taunt and 12 parry for that extra 6% chance to block a hit

 

[Xanthian]

Depends what u wanna do with your Warden..

Solo or group.

If your gonna solo :

50 Blunt (10 sec parry stun)
36 Nurt (for semi decent speed and 8sec pbt)
20 Parry
11 Reg (leftover for ok'ish heals)

if your gonna group :

50 Nurt
42 Reg
7 Blade
6 Parry

 

[Coccas]

don't go 50 nurt get nothing from it
my spec:
49 nurt
42 reg
6 blades
8 blunt
6 or 8 parry can't seem to remember

 

[Novo]

thanks guys,
i think ill go for the 49 nurt, 42 reg, 6 blades, 12 parry...

seems good to me, got nothing to fight with but got my end chant to get away with

 

[plomien]

i run with 49 nur, 17 reg, 34 blu, 22 par.
what i will say is look at the natures wall forums it gives some good advice there.
wardens are also getting a nerf in TOA with pbt with a 2.5 sec retimer between pulses (so unless you you are lucky and get timing right you have fun with the pbt timing it goes more indepth on natures wall)

with this spec i can heal ok and solo reds and low purps. i will advise that the lost seed weapon for wardens is rather nice.

 

[Harle]

If you go with the high regrowth spec you might consider putting blades to 8 for the detaunt

 

[Kokelimonkelmedisin]

If you go with the high regrowth spec you might consider putting blades to 8 for the detaunt

10 blunt so you at least have a snare

 

[Sheph]

W00t r u gonna do wiff j00r wardun ?

Gwoup RvR ?

 

[Faeldawn]

49 Nurture
33 Regrowth
21 Blades (for block style so i have parry and block openers)
Rest parry (20 i think, cant remember offhand)

(all points used)

Was my origional spec and have never considered changing it, works great for me

The only way i will ever respec is if wardens get shield spec

 

[Coccas]

W00t r u gonna do wiff j00r wardun ?

Gwoup RvR ?

is there any other options? maybe pve but thats it imo

 

[Sheph]

Well wiff ToA soon here maybe peeps opt a bit more for PvE.

49/33 is the most allround spec imo.

49/42 is my spec but diff story ofc.

 

[Harle]

(...)
Thinking of going 49 nurt, 26 reg, 34 blades, rest parry now. Heals will be noticable worse, but since aom and boad were nerfed, warden resists are nice to have (45 nurt only gives 1 best resist and 2 second best).

That's always been my spec, and I have to say i pretty much love it. 49 nurt for highest resists is not questionable. The heals with 26 regrowth are ok, especially with some WH here and there. 34 blades gives a nice variety of styles.

As nice as it is i'm currently considering to respec to 42 regrowth when TOA comes, since the 40% end-reduction buff might be _very_ nice in combination with the Battlemaster MLAs, which seem to cost lots of endurance ( which would be decreased for me then ). But we'll see...

 

[Novo]

How About...

33 Regrowth
49 Nurture
25 Blades - Fireblade and Return Blade to Lunging Blade Parry Chain
14 Parry - +11 = 25... +5%?? Base Parry.... 17.5% chance to parry... shouldnt be to bad?

 

[Coccas]

25 blades not worth it imo
33 reg 49 nurt 21 weapon 20 parry is a great spec
parry is modified by dex too

 

[Novo]

but 25 blades is the last style in a parry chain.. surley thats worth it? no?

 

[Coccas]

i have never used the parry chain in RVR through all my carrier, and more parry is more usefull than a parry chaiin in pve

 

[plomien]

I really haven't looked into the master levels yet : / I hear grapple is going to be very useful for wardens.

grapple was going to be very nice but that latest word is that they have nerfed it for the worst but it is still in testing. at the end of the day TOA will bring out some good and bad things for Wardens. Frontiers on the other hand who knows but it looks good

 

[Xanthian]

lol those are the worst specs I've ever seen ( ;

Reccomend a better group spec..

And yes I said 50 nurt, I meant 49.. simple mistake.

If you say anything less than 33 reg for a group spec Warden you may as well make a Hero.
WARDENS ARE 'NOT' TANKS

kthx

 

[Coccas]

If you say anything less than 33 reg for a group spec Warden you may as well make a Hero.
WARDENS ARE 'NOT' TANKS

totally agree

 

[Mastade]

WARDENS ARE 'NOT' TANKS

kthx

But but.. my daoc manual says so :/

 

[plomien]

If you say anything less than 33 reg for a group spec Warden you may as well make a Hero.
WARDENS ARE 'NOT' TANKS

kthx

well i had better hope for a respec as i am only 17 reg and 34 blunts yet i manage well enough pve and rvr

 

[Xanthian]

well i had better hope for a respec as i am only 17 reg and 34 blunts yet i manage well enough pve and rvr

A Warden with less than 33 reg would not be of any major use to a BALANCED rvr group.

Without trying to sound leetist, gimp specs are ok for random groups, but balanced groups require a certain spec.

A Wardens job in rvr is to interupt casters/healers and also provide good heals as back up to the druid.
They are not intended to do major damage, so therefore no more than 6?7 (however much taunt is) is needed.
49 nurt is a must for resists ofc, 33 reg or 42 is upto you,
I went 33 reg as I wanted my Warden for PvE purposes and possibly to solo (heh what a joke), using the 4.4spd Claw from Galla, the damage is acceptable, but certainly not comparable to any tank.

 

[Faeldawn]

A Warden with less than 33 reg would not be of any major use to a BALANCED rvr group.

Without trying to sound leetist, gimp specs are ok for random groups, but balanced groups require a certain spec.

A Wardens job in rvr is to interupt casters/healers and also provide good heals as back up to the druid.

Amen.

 

[Cigies]

Forget the advice posted on here, most of it is total gash.

Go visit the Natures Wall forums :

Warden TL Forums

You will get decent advice there on specs based on their merits.

 

[Novo]

Thanks for all the adivce/links havnt decided yet, basically gonna keep blades at 6 and just kee putting points into nurture and reg for now untill im to high lvl and have to decide

 

[Thanatlos]

There's a lot of ways to play a warden, but people have always been kind of closed minded about wardens. They've always been the 'bubbleboys' (and girls) of the realm.

When I started to play I had the spec 45 nurture (resists were single target conc using buffs and dmg add wasn't insta cast, haste was a chant so no real reason to spec higher ), 26 regrowth, 39 blades and 5 parry. Now back then this was a fun spec, mainly because compared to most wardens back then I was a healing warden. People kept shouting at me why the hell I speced regrowth and said I was gimp till they grouped a bit with me. (but back then it was mostly pve)

After getting more involved in RvR and a few patches later (most specifically the one with the respecs ) I respecced to 49 nurture, 42 regrowth, 6 blades/blunt, rest parry.
This was mainly because my spec heal at the time (with 26 reg) didn't seem to be doing much more healing than my baseline heal. And this indeed was a great spec, best resists, best bubble, best heals and that's mostly what the more group accepted wardens are known for. (funny they get shouted at now for not being tanks instead of that they used to be shouted at for not being healers)
The biggest problem wardens had over time is that patches kept making tiny adjustments (small steps forward, insta pbt/dmg add, wider range of RA's, haste buff, resist buff changes) to wardens but then they'd slam back a nice lil nerf afterwards (big steps backward, penetrating arrow, savages , haste items in toa, 2.5s refresh interval) and mostly the role of the warden in a group has gone unchanged since the start. Which is passive bubbleboy that uses emergency heals and interrupts enemies.
So if you want to pick a group friendly spec indeed it should have 33+ regrowth.

But if you feel like playing around there's a lot of interesting specs out there because even though its function in RvR is rigid, it is one of the most versatile classes in the game that can be effective in many ways. True, there's a lot of problems with wardens (mythic not knowing what to do with them apparently is one of them.. erm, they're tanks.. wait, they're healers.. erm, no, they're neither! or both? dunno.. let's just pretend we never made them! YEAH!) but there's so many ways to spec one so you have fun.
First thing that if you want to have fun in RvR make sure you got a few openminded friends if you choose to dabble in a less accepted spec because people themselves are stubborn. (whaaaat's your spec?? omg, gimp! (although a lot of people don't know half about the class, i've known people that didn't know that wardens had personal end chant after a year of playing ))
Choose a spec you think is interesting.
You like healing stuff, go high regrowth.
You like hitting stuff, go higher weapon.
You like to be defensive, go high parry
One of the things people have also been saying is to go 49 nurture, although I agree this has a lot of benefits, they're not as profound as they used to be. The most profound reason used to be bubble and resists. Bubble however has been reduced severely in effectiveness by assist trains, dual wielders and the impending haste items from toa (Although i just read they'll get nerfed lol). The difference between 8 second bubble and 6 second bubble is 2 more bubbles every minute for the 6 second variant. That combined with that most people go down before the first refresh anyway with assist trains (although you used to be able to keep people alive quite well with nicely timed dmg add/pbt refreshes which basically gives your group 5 secs (is that fixed yet?) of dmg add and an instant bubble refresh).

My recommendation to you is to choose a spec, try it out, seek the aspects you enjoy the most and respec to adjust your character to that situation. Try things out. I've tried a lot of different specs (including 50 weapon wardens do have a 500+ dmg cap btw), my latest spec was 38 nurture, 42 regrowth, 21 weapon, 26 parry I believe. This combined with moparry 3, mob 3 allowed me to solo reds/low purples without losing health/endurance and only a little bit of power which could easily be offset by adding some serenity to the mix

Play your character, don't play the character other people want you to play

 

[Cigies]

Nice post Thanatlos, nice to see some good advice from a real warden on this thread