War on drugs working?
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The authorities will NEVER win the war on drugs. As long as there's demand, people will supply it. All the cops & border agencies can do is do their bit, make a few arrests, a few seizures. Its just the cherry on the top of the cake, nothing more.
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Sorry for not adding further to this thread, work has been hectic and I have not been able to keep up with everything posted recently.
The issue of mental problems that is associated with drugs is nothing new and I think everyone knows this already. Personally I have known people that have been become seriously damaged by taking drugs - weed, cocaine, crack and heroin. I also speak with over 20 years of smoking weed and trying every drug, except heroin behind me - stopped in 2005 - and yes it had a negative effect on me also - slight stutter, awful short term memory and a total loss of energy drive whatever you want call it. However, as a consenting adult I resented and still do resent the fact that I am /was deemed a criminal for wanting to smoke weed or do drugs in general. Why should I have to make arrangements with the constant fear of arrest and prosecution hanging over my head, when I quite clearly know the risks - side effects etc?
All drugs, yes all, should be legalized and all the talk about society not being ready or the idea that because some people - a small minority I might add when you consider the sheer numbers of people taking drugs - are badly affected is just pure nonsense. The tax earned off the sales of drugs would more be enormous and would go a long way towards providing better care and rehab facilities for the serious hardcore drug users - crack heroin etc - as well as providing the end users with clean drugs to use.
With the current economic woes we are facing with deficits and the prospects of higher taxes incoming in the very near future it just seems ludicrous that we are still refusing to legalize and create a whole new legal industry from the drugs trade. Why on earth do we continue to allow it to be controlled by criminals?
Any drug, legal or illegal is dangerous, if misused, even things like Aspirin and Paracetamol if misused can cause either death or serious physical harm. How many people die a year from alcohol abuse every year? Yet we allow it to be sold over the counter with certain restrictions and I see no reason whatsoever to not do the same for drugs, even the ones that everyone thinks are too hard. I would rather see heroin made available freely to all heroin addicts, even given to them for free at point of use, if only to stop all the crime committed by the junkies that commit crimes to fund their habits. Obviously it would have to be in a controlled manner and with certain conditions - location (special clinics), rehab (specific centers) - including providing things like clean needles to make it less of a health risk also.
If you look at places like Mexico for example today and the ongoing war between gangs for control of what are lucrative routes as well as the government and the same gangs you can see just how stupid the continuation of the war on drugs actually is.
The untitled article I linked in my first post is also another reason why I feel that the whole drugs issue needs to be dealt with transparently. It is morally reprehensible that we criminalize so many people within our own societies today and yet allow various secret services to actually facilitate the whole flow of drugs on a global scale. The worst part is that this money is then used to fund policies or take actions which are illegal under the laws of the land. The example of the effort to supply the contra rebels in Nicaragua with money to continue fighting a war that was made illegal by Congress (Reagan administration) in the 80's.
What Will Congress Do About New CIA-Drug Revelations?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute
The explosion of crack use in the USA can be directly linked to this time. If the whole drugs trade was legalized it would draw a massive line under all these kinds of highly suspect activities and policies which are allowed to continue with a nudge and wink by the same people that want to criminalize people for using the drugs.
Hypocrisy.
The issue of mental problems that is associated with drugs is nothing new and I think everyone knows this already. Personally I have known people that have been become seriously damaged by taking drugs - weed, cocaine, crack and heroin. I also speak with over 20 years of smoking weed and trying every drug, except heroin behind me - stopped in 2005 - and yes it had a negative effect on me also - slight stutter, awful short term memory and a total loss of energy drive whatever you want call it. However, as a consenting adult I resented and still do resent the fact that I am /was deemed a criminal for wanting to smoke weed or do drugs in general. Why should I have to make arrangements with the constant fear of arrest and prosecution hanging over my head, when I quite clearly know the risks - side effects etc?
All drugs, yes all, should be legalized and all the talk about society not being ready or the idea that because some people - a small minority I might add when you consider the sheer numbers of people taking drugs - are badly affected is just pure nonsense. The tax earned off the sales of drugs would more be enormous and would go a long way towards providing better care and rehab facilities for the serious hardcore drug users - crack heroin etc - as well as providing the end users with clean drugs to use.
With the current economic woes we are facing with deficits and the prospects of higher taxes incoming in the very near future it just seems ludicrous that we are still refusing to legalize and create a whole new legal industry from the drugs trade. Why on earth do we continue to allow it to be controlled by criminals?
Any drug, legal or illegal is dangerous, if misused, even things like Aspirin and Paracetamol if misused can cause either death or serious physical harm. How many people die a year from alcohol abuse every year? Yet we allow it to be sold over the counter with certain restrictions and I see no reason whatsoever to not do the same for drugs, even the ones that everyone thinks are too hard. I would rather see heroin made available freely to all heroin addicts, even given to them for free at point of use, if only to stop all the crime committed by the junkies that commit crimes to fund their habits. Obviously it would have to be in a controlled manner and with certain conditions - location (special clinics), rehab (specific centers) - including providing things like clean needles to make it less of a health risk also.
If you look at places like Mexico for example today and the ongoing war between gangs for control of what are lucrative routes as well as the government and the same gangs you can see just how stupid the continuation of the war on drugs actually is.
The untitled article I linked in my first post is also another reason why I feel that the whole drugs issue needs to be dealt with transparently. It is morally reprehensible that we criminalize so many people within our own societies today and yet allow various secret services to actually facilitate the whole flow of drugs on a global scale. The worst part is that this money is then used to fund policies or take actions which are illegal under the laws of the land. The example of the effort to supply the contra rebels in Nicaragua with money to continue fighting a war that was made illegal by Congress (Reagan administration) in the 80's.
What Will Congress Do About New CIA-Drug Revelations?: Newsroom: The Independent Institute
The explosion of crack use in the USA can be directly linked to this time. If the whole drugs trade was legalized it would draw a massive line under all these kinds of highly suspect activities and policies which are allowed to continue with a nudge and wink by the same people that want to criminalize people for using the drugs.
Hypocrisy.
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Was a good video and i liked the fact that it basically rubbished all the BS peddled by governments about the side effetcs but ffs 45 mins to tell me that its good??!
I was knocking back smarties from 1997 on a regular basis and yes its awesome and i recommend it to all it is the most amazing thing that i have ever taken. When i was last in London - Sept '09 - i was on it for pretty much the whole holiday and loved it
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What I can't stand is the addiction bollocks.
I've taken a handful of E over the last 3 or 4 years maybe with gaps of between a few weeks and 6 months + inbetween.
I never ever feel a compulsion or 'need' to take them, even when I've had a few in a box in my drawer readily availible. I know they are there IF I wanted to take them but have never felt an urge or need too. I choose to take them on my on free will as an extra special treat when I wanted to make a night extra special.
I've taken a handful of E over the last 3 or 4 years maybe with gaps of between a few weeks and 6 months + inbetween.
I never ever feel a compulsion or 'need' to take them, even when I've had a few in a box in my drawer readily availible. I know they are there IF I wanted to take them but have never felt an urge or need too. I choose to take them on my on free will as an extra special treat when I wanted to make a night extra special.
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I'd say the same about smoking, i simply smoke every day because i want to smoke. If i don't smoke, i don't have a need to, i just usually don't go without a smoke. Now even if completely true, how many people do you think would believe that?
Also; addiction isn't bollocks, just because there are exceptions, it's still a risk.
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Tierk,
Commenting on UK law and yet you live in a country where being found in possessiion of drugs will at best get you whipped, 6 months in prison followed by deportation. At worst a death sentence!
Or just an hour away.
Where a couple who kissed in public (a mall) go to prison for 6 months. Yet 2 local teenagers driving reclessly and racing at over double the speed limit kill an innocent pedestrian bystander (Indian) and get only 3 months! Due to time spent in local police cells actually walked away from court free!
On topic, the war on drugs is pointless. Legalise and control it and you win the war against terror groups and drugs cartels. It would also cut down crime enourmously. However, it must be a European thing at least. Else, every out of work free loading drug user will be on a boat to the Uk tomorrow. making it even more of a shitehole than it is now!
Commenting on UK law and yet you live in a country where being found in possessiion of drugs will at best get you whipped, 6 months in prison followed by deportation. At worst a death sentence!
Or just an hour away.
Where a couple who kissed in public (a mall) go to prison for 6 months. Yet 2 local teenagers driving reclessly and racing at over double the speed limit kill an innocent pedestrian bystander (Indian) and get only 3 months! Due to time spent in local police cells actually walked away from court free!
On topic, the war on drugs is pointless. Legalise and control it and you win the war against terror groups and drugs cartels. It would also cut down crime enourmously. However, it must be a European thing at least. Else, every out of work free loading drug user will be on a boat to the Uk tomorrow. making it even more of a shitehole than it is now!
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Where a couple who kissed in public (a mall) go to prison for 6 months. Yet 2 local teenagers driving reclessly and racing at over double the speed limit kill an innocent pedestrian bystander (Indian) and get only 3 months! Due to time spent in local police cells actually walked away from court free![/QUOTE]
Sorry i guess living in England for over 30 years and actually being British means that i cannot comment and IIRC aren't you the one that lives in said country? If it is so fucked up why don't you go back to England?
Find it hard to admit that you actually agree with me?
I would imagine that any serious hardcore drug user might find it hard to survive the long journey on boat to England but then i expect nothing more intelligent from you.
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Was a good video and i liked the fact that it basically rubbished all the BS peddled by governments about the side effetcs but ffs 45 mins to tell me that its good??!
I was knocking back smarties from 1997 on a regular basis and yes its awesome and i recommend it to all it is the most amazing thing that i have ever taken. When i was last in London - Sept '09 - i was on it for pretty much the whole holiday and loved it
In the late 90s, yes, they were awesome. Pills are shit these days I was paying £10 a pill back in the mid 90s and one kept you going all night, not like now where they cost like 50p. Nothing came close or probably will come close to the euphoria it gave you. The love that everyone felt, the raves etc. Man, fucking great times
YouTube - JK - Beat It
Im buzzing just listening to these old school tunes. I can see it, everyone off their heads, not one ounce of animosity in the club because everyone was loved up. Hugging strangers etc. You just dont get that anymore nor can you explain it to the new generation of ravers, how it felt, what the whole vibe was. My raving days are over now, but I did the whole Gatecrasher, Cream, Moneypennys, Ibiza thing and nothing came close to the rave scene of the 90s.
I guess I sound like a hypocrite for my stance on the dangers of drugs, considering if you shook me years ago, I would rattle like a prescription bottle of drugs, but one thing I do agree on is the buzz that drugs give you.