VERY defensive pala spec... Burn it in hell?

[CorNokZ]

Saracen pala: 50shield, 43 chants, 38parry and 6slash...

My whole guild laughed at me, but I wanna hear others point of view...

It will be used to block and bg casters/healers in rvr...

Thx 4 teh help

Cya IG CorNokS

 

[Suicidel]

nice spec... my highlander paladin is speced 50 shield 42 chants ( best end chant ) 39 slash and 6 parry... i like it alot.

 

[Glottis]

Saracen pala: 50shield, 43 chants, 38parry and 6slash...

My whole guild laughed at me, but I wanna hear others point of view...

It will be used to block and bg casters/healers in rvr...

Thx 4 teh help

Cya IG CorNokS

Not sure how things change with the arrival of NF, but if there is no more MoBlocking, then going 50 shield can be worth it. Otherwise I would stick to 42 shield and put rp's into raising MoB, that gives 5% per lvl, a lot more than the 0.5% per spec lvl (so return on 43-50 is very low really).
Regards, Glottis

 

[chretien]

My spec (Avalonian Paladin) is 50 shield, 46 chants, 29 Slash and 19ish Parry. I'm tempted to drop out all the points in Slash which will take pary to about 34 when NF hits.
The only thing stopping me is that with such a low WS I will miss too much to be able to farm solo efficiently.

 

[Ilienwyn]

What do you need that high parry? Parry should only take the leftovers


Get yourself 42shield 42chants and 29 slash and do leftovers what you want. Those are the basis for a good paladin specc I believe and rest can depend on playstyle

 

[Night]

what the hell are you going to parry in a keep? dont think you can parry arrows...?

 

[Coren]

I think you can parry arrows, or I vaguely remember doing so a long time ago. Might be very wrong tho.

 

[Daws]

Saracen pala: 50shield, 43 chants, 38parry and 6slash...

This spec looks fine if you want to be the main aggro taker in a PvE group but never do any damage.

It will be used to block and bg casters/healers in rvr...

Can I just highlight the block in that sentence. Parry is useless for bodyguarding.

 

[chretien]

Can I just highlight the block in that sentence. Parry is useless for bodyguarding.

Not completely. If you are Bodyguarding (as in ML8 ability) then you'll be harder to kill so can bodyguard longer. It doesn't transfer directly like Guard does but it will help. Also parry is better vs dual wielders than block is, so it makes sense if you want to be really defensive to max block and get as much pary as possible.

 

[Ilienwyn]

and higher weapon specc so you have higher weaponskill in order to actually block and parry more makes MUUUUUUCH more sense tbh...

 

[Flimgoblin]

if you're levelling up you'll have 12 slash automatically

if you're respeccing and using the points from 7-12 slash you won't be able to as it'll stay at 12.

My fiancee's paladin is avalonian and going for 50 shield 49 chants 30 parry 12 slash she's as bad as me

 

[Loxleyhood]

You cannot Parry arrows. That would be taking the piss, especially on someone with 50 shield....

 

[knighthood]

You cannot Parry arrows. That would be taking the piss, especially on someone with 50 shield....

Valegimps get to parry arrows

 

[knighthood]

You cannot Parry arrows. That would be taking the piss, especially on someone with 50 shield....

Valegimps get to parry arrows
well ok not parry but they get a move that makes it impossible to shoot em
kinda same thing ish in a way
no its not
ill shut up now

 

[Loxleyhood]

As far as I understand it's a stance that blocks all arrows while they're stationary. So like less like parry, more like engage.

 

[Theodoric]

Thats the same spec as i use on Theo M8 ....Served me well pre-NF

 

[chretien]

and higher weapon specc so you have higher weaponskill in order to actually block and parry more makes MUUUUUUCH more sense tbh...

Neither block nor parry chances are based on your WS afaik. Both are based purely on the relevant skill (shield or parry) + modifiers from Dexterity.

 

[Esena]

you need a minimum(imo) 29 slash, or you WS will be so low everyone will go through you blocking, unless ur specced for pve, whitch's np for me but you will only hit mobs for 30 if ur lucky whith a spec of 6 slash.....

 

[Esena]

Neither block nor parry chances are based on your WS afaik. Both are based purely on the relevant skill (shield or parry) + modifiers from Dexterity.

true but figure this:
your ws will be taken in the formalu when you try to block an attack from an nmy player, so haveing a high WS will help you block more, only this formula is taking in to calculation in PvP, not in PvE, in Pve it's your dex + shield +mob, but it still would be better to be able to actualy hit mobs for more then 30 dmg imo

so more in weapon, the high ur WS, the more dmg you do, the more chance you are able to block in PvP/RvR

 

[chretien]

you need a minimum(imo) 29 slash, or you WS will be so low everyone will go through you blocking, unless ur specced for pve, whitch's np for me but you will only hit mobs for 30 if ur lucky whith a spec of 6 slash.....

According to Mythic
the order of combat is Evade, Parry, Block, Guard, Hit/Miss, and then Bladeturn. So your weaponskill doesn't even get checked until you've failed to parry and failed to block, only then does it compare your weaponskill to your opponents' to see whether he hits or misses you. Having a low WS does not in any way affect your parry or block rate.

 

[Esena]

the higher the WS of the oponent is towards your WS the more chance he has to bypass your shield then when it's equal, or lower


why do you think my pally ( 44 slash), wins vs a pally whith 50 shield and 39ish slash ?

 

[Antedeluvian]

Autotrain slash and chants and you will have a nice parry and a valuable slash espec, no need to gimp yourself that way.


P.D.- If you final whit that espec i suggest you use the Battlemaster chain off essence flames.

 

[Ilienwyn]

if you're levelling up you'll have 12 slash automatically

if you're respeccing and using the points from 7-12 slash you won't be able to as it'll stay at 12.

My fiancee's paladin is avalonian and going for 50 shield 49 chants 30 parry 12 slash she's as bad as me

nerf you, found your perfect match


As for weapon specc and blocking, some tests lately show that shield weaponskill depends more on weapon specc than shield specc. I don't know what to believe any more but so low slash is plain simply stupid!!

PS: Give PIN to tell us more

 

[Glottis]

I found that when I specced to thrust from slash on my scout my slams landed went up (higher WS with thrust). Blocking against dual wielding scum allways sucked of course, so I do not know if it helped with that.
But despite what Mythic says, only trust extensive tests.
I hope Pin will enlighten us
Regards, Glottis

 

[Flimgoblin]

your ability to block is nothing to do with your mainhand weaponskill - otherwise paladins would suck at blocking and they don't.

It's its own "defensive skill" based on dexterity and shield spec (and mastery of blocking too I guess)

What the mainhand weapon skill does (or at least did) effect is the ability to land offensive shield styles - someone did a test and had some logs showing that ability to get a slam through someone else's block/etc. was based on your mainhand weaponskill.

hit/miss rate won't be affected - damage might be - not sure about that

 

[AmeinoN]

if you want to play a pala and have fun do it 48slash 42 shield no parry rest chants ><
If you want a pala for nf i dont know
if you want a pala for pve do 50 shield
ImHo

 

[Ilienwyn]

if you want to play a pala and have fun do it 48slash 42 shield no parry rest chants ><
If you want a pala for nf i dont know
if you want a pala for pve do 50 shield
ImHo

48slash? you don't get any style at 48slash

Btw, as for paladin specc i like the one my brother got in his pally: 50shield 45chants 39slash. Needed some autotraining but it's very nice

 

[Seeaira_Tempest]

if you want to play a pala and have fun do it 48slash 42 shield no parry rest chants ><
If you want a pala for nf i dont know
if you want a pala for pve do 50 shield
ImHo

ImHo DOn't give your honest opinion because its crap

What is the point in going 48 slash? That is just a waste of points. No point in it..

 

[Ilur-OOM]

well imho 50 shield with mob roxors tho specing a high parry will drop your weapon to low levels and you'll have a pain at soloing any kind of mob over yellow con, my paladin was autotrained to 48 and got 42 shield and some 17 parry i think and blocked quite well but even tho a 50 blocker ownz it anyways...
Try asking gwalmar or zael afaik they are both 50 shield...

 

[Marc]

and higher weapon specc so you have higher weaponskill in order to actually block and parry more makes MUUUUUUCH more sense tbh...

i thought blocking rate was based on dex? im probably wrong like lol, but tbh pally WS is based on slash so u need at least 29 slash imo to have a better chance of landing slam