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Hmm, so they can automatically register eligible men (but not women apparently) for the draft, but you have to jump through hoops to register to vote. *scratches chin*
 

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Currently, almost all male U.S. citizens and immigrants aged 18 through 25 are required to self-register within 30 days of their 18th birthday

So, they have to self register at the moment, but instead it'll mean they don't have to.

Cost cutting administrative measure - no change (or sensible change for a requirement introduced in 1917) being presented as mwahhh! Look how EVIL they are!

As for women - Democrats called Republicans COWARDS for ditching plans to make it mandatory for women in 2016.

Don't let the facts get in the way of an anti-Trump rage tho.


Edit: I'm ENJOYING the Trump-like use of CAPITALS in my posts ;)
 

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Hmm, so they can automatically register eligible men (but not women apparently) for the draft, but you have to jump through hoops to register to vote. *scratches chin*

More curious why they're pushing it now, especially with Trumps apparent lust for attacking people... I smells another war incoming and my spider senses tell me it might be Cuba.

November can't come soon enough... hopefully the Dems sweep the midterms like people are assuming and they completely gut the orange cunts powers.
 

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More curious why they're pushing it now
They're not "pushing it". They're saving money and people's time - why make people register, spend money on advertising and promotion, when they could just do it for them? It's simply "good governance".

Now, if you were asing me why the US has a draft at all, then I'd happily weigh in on that.
 

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They're not "pushing it". They're saving money and people's time - why make people register, spend money on advertising and promotion, when they could just do it for them? It's simply "good governance".

Now, if you were asing me why the US has a draft at all, then I'd happily weigh in on that.

You still haven't answered how they can automate this but not the voting registration process.
 

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So, Trump is considering a deal with Iran... the deal would allow Iran to continue Enriching Uranium after a decade (basically what Obama had in place in the first place)


So to summarize, he criticised Obamas deal as weak, cancelled it

Attacked Iran to stop them Enriching Uranium.. started a war and fucked the worlds economies/fuel prices etc

Now considering putting the same deal as Obama in place...



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The short answer is that Selective Service is run by the federal government, while voter registration is on a state by state basis.

But the data is there right? So if the data exists at the Federal level, every person on their database exists at the state level (plus DC), so the mechanism for each state to call in their voter registration from Federal data exists. But Republican states constantly claim the only way to ensure the voter rolls are accurate is a whole series of authentications that they control.

1) I didn't know that was the question and;

2) Why's that on me? But I like that @SilverHood knew :)

I never said it was on you but it was the only thing I said in the original post about it. I don't give a shit about American conscription, but I do give a shit about election fixing.
 

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I don't give a shit about American conscription, but I do give a shit about election fixing.
Strange post to drive that argument, but fair enough.

I care too. Plaid Cymru are going to get in around here after Labour gerrymandering backfired on them. So I'm waiting for them to pass more laws to tell me what I can and cannot do with my primary residence - probably with more teeth than the ones that were just slapped down.
 

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But the data is there right? So if the data exists at the Federal level, every person on their database exists at the state level (plus DC), so the mechanism for each state to call in their voter registration from Federal data exists. But Republican states constantly claim the only way to ensure the voter rolls are accurate is a whole series of authentications that they control.



I never said it was on you but it was the only thing I said in the original post about it. I don't give a shit about American conscription, but I do give a shit about election fixing.
It's kinda there for men born in the US. Immigrants must register for selective service if they're of the right age and gender (I was too old by the time I became a permanent resident), so if they used selective service database for voter eligibility, I wouldn't be on it, and neither would most women. There's no law that says you must tell the federal government where you live, and where you live matters, because it determines your eligibility for voting at the smallest level (school, town, etc), and then up (county, state, federal). The social security database is probably the best database the federal government has, but even that one is not always up to date, since they don't get notified of people becoming citizens, so yeah, data is there, but states don't want to have to interact with the federal government for elections, because they can't be trusted to act in a non partisan way. Imagine all the states needed to refresh their voter rolls from the government every election, but only the republican states get processed while blue states are stuck, because, you know, some IT issue. Or the other way around.

So part of this is by design. We're currently seeing red states hand over their voter ID rolls to the Trump administration, who then hand list of registered democratic voters to to the republican party, who in turn are purging registered democrats, along with independents who receive assistance, SNAP or other benefits, with the idea being that they're mostly blue leaning voters, and they won't realise they've been purged until they try to vote, at which point, it will be too late to do anything about it.

My worry is that it starts a tit for tat voter purge between blue and and red states, where those belonging to parties not in power gets purged before their election across the whole of the US. At which point we're gonna end up with civil war.
 

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It's kinda there for men born in the US. Immigrants must register for selective service if they're of the right age and gender (I was too old by the time I became a permanent resident), so if they used selective service database for voter eligibility, I wouldn't be on it, and neither would most women. There's no law that says you must tell the federal government where you live, and where you live matters, because it determines your eligibility for voting at the smallest level (school, town, etc), and then up (county, state, federal). The social security database is probably the best database the federal government has, but even that one is not always up to date, since they don't get notified of people becoming citizens, so yeah, data is there, but states don't want to have to interact with the federal government for elections, because they can't be trusted to act in a non partisan way. Imagine all the states needed to refresh their voter rolls from the government every election, but only the republican states get processed while blue states are stuck, because, you know, some IT issue. Or the other way around.

So part of this is by design. We're currently seeing red states hand over their voter ID rolls to the Trump administration, who then hand list of registered democratic voters to to the republican party, who in turn are purging registered democrats, along with independents who receive assistance, SNAP or other benefits, with the idea being that they're mostly blue leaning voters, and they won't realise they've been purged until they try to vote, at which point, it will be too late to do anything about it.

My worry is that it starts a tit for tat voter purge between blue and and red states, where those belonging to parties not in power gets purged before their election across the whole of the US. At which point we're gonna end up with civil war.
So looking at the fields required in the current registration process, you can't automate it; certainly not completely. At best it becomes an online verification/update form or it's by definition, inaccurate.
 

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