Uni funding cut by 400m

[Bugz]

UK fees will be about 9-10k at the very max (probably closer to 7-8k) too for a year, assuming you are off-campus (2nd/3rd years) and sharing a house.

Since the costs are about the same, why would you go to India for a second-class education in comparison to the standards we have here? Oxford, UCL, LSE etc. aren't world-renowned for nothing.

 

[Raven]

The cost of educating Tesco staff goes up and up!

 

[Aoami]

shut up raven, not everyone under the age of 30 is an imbecile

 

[rynnor]

why would you go to India for a second-class education in comparison to the standards we have here? Oxford, UCL, LSE etc. aren't world-renowned for nothing.

Hah thats quite funny because those Universities are all the preserve of the privately educated kids so its a bit moot to argue about fees

Most of the best universities are in the US actually - only Oxbridge are world class in the UK.

If its a toss up between the University of East Anglia or some US Uni's Indian Arm theres not really much in it unless your into webbed feet

 

[Bugz]

Hah thats quite funny because those Universities are all the preserve of the privately educated kids so its a bit moot to argue about fees

Some stats to back up your claims? I know the stats myself but I want you to research your own eagle-eyed claims

Most of the best universities are in the US actually - only Oxbridge are world class in the UK.

Did I say 'best'? No I said 'world-renowned.' LSE, Oxford, UCL, Durham etc. (the Russell League & the UoL) are all world-renowned.

If its a toss up between the University of East Anglia or some US Uni's Indian Arm theres not really much in it unless your into webbed feet

So explain why a person would go to India, away from family and culture they are used to, pay more fees & so on if 'theres not really much in it.'

You said there was a net benefit of going to India - now you are saying there isn't?

 

[yaruar]

Most of the best universities are in the US actually - only Oxbridge are world class in the UK.

Well, i'm sure that Oxford, Cambridge and Imperial would disagree as by some criteria they are 3 of the top 5 universities in the world. If they actually had decent funding like Harvard or MIT they could probably do even better.

 

[DaGaffer]

Hah thats quite funny because those Universities are all the preserve of the privately educated kids so its a bit moot to argue about fees

The majority of students at Oxbridge are from state schools. Just. (About 60% at Cambridge, 55% at Oxford), so fees are still an issue, even there.

Most of the best universities are in the US actually - only Oxbridge are world class in the UK.

Not at undergraduate level. There are plenty of UK unis that match or better US ones. Its only at post-grad that the US system is significantly better. Which is not surprising given the UK's chronic inability to invest in R&D.

If its a toss up between the University of East Anglia or some US Uni's Indian Arm theres not really much in it unless your into webbed feet

Dunno about you but I'd still take Norwich over New Delhi for freshers week.

 

[Aoami]

The reason US Uni's are better is because they receive public funding and as a result cost about 5x as much to go in to (up to around $30,000p/a). I doubt many US state Uni's are making the top 500 above many British Uni's.

 

[Chilly]

The reason US Uni's are better is because they receive public funding and as a result cost about 5x as much to go in to (up to around $30,000p/a). I doubt many US state Uni's are making the top 500 above many British Uni's.

That doesnt make any sense. Why should a publically funded uni cost more? UK unis get plenty of public funding anyway. Did you mean US universities do not get funding from government?

 

[Aoami]

Depends where you study though and it increases every year - wont be long before they are equivalent prices.

Also 6k?

3k course fees so you can then rent somewhere n eat for 3k for best part of a year? If you dont pay for the summers your looking at renting a place from Sept/Oct - May/June - 8-10 months.

You didn't mention living costs originally. I get £6k a year for rent & food etc. £3k of that i don't have to pay back, so I'll owe student loans £18k at the end of my 3 years. £9k tuition fee, £9k loan.

 

[Aoami]

That doesnt make any sense. Why should a publically funded uni cost more? UK unis get plenty of public funding anyway. Did you mean US universities do not get funding from government?

No. They cost more to go to because the standard is higher. The standard is higher becaue they receive ridiculous amounts of money from public donations.

 

[DaGaffer]

No. They cost more to go to because the standard is higher. The standard is higher becaue they receive ridiculous amounts of money from public donations.

What a load of crap. They cost more to go to because students aren't subsidised. Quality or otherwise realative to other countries has nothing to do with it. By population Europe has at least as many decent universities as the US.

 

[Aoami]

So £15,000 a year isn't more than £3,000 a year?

 

[DaGaffer]

So £15,000 a year isn't more than £3,000 a year?

What part of "students aren't subsidised" do you not understand? In Europe the state still pays the lion's share of a tertiary Student's education, this has never been the case in the US, where federal contributions are much smaller. The actual cost of putting a student through college isn't wildly different between equivalent schools in the US and Europe.

As I said in an earlier post, US universities have a better reputation at post-grad level (where private funding matters far more) but first degrees in the US aren't up to much; hardly surprising when they have to spend the first year getting students up to the level of European A-level/Bacc students.

 

[yaruar]

What a load of crap. They cost more to go to because students aren't subsidised. Quality or otherwise realative to other countries has nothing to do with it. By population Europe has at least as many decent universities as the US.

Actually it is subsidised, although not from the public purse, there is a huge tradition in the us of Alumni donations, the best universities of which use to build huge endowment funds to essentially self fund their work which is why the better US institutions shit all over europe and the uk in terms of resources.

 

[Aoami]

What part of "students aren't subsidised" do you not understand? In Europe the state still pays the lion's share of a tertiary Student's education, this has never been the case in the US, where federal contributions are much smaller. The actual cost of putting a student through college isn't wildly different between equivalent schools in the US and Europe.

As I said in an earlier post, US universities have a better reputation at post-grad level (where private funding matters far more) but first degrees in the US aren't up to much; hardly surprising when they have to spend the first year getting students up to the level of European A-level/Bacc students.

How are university students subsidised in the UK?

 

[DaGaffer]

How are university students subsidised in the UK?

Through the 12.3 billion the government gives the universities for tertiary education every year. All UK university students are subsidised. You don't think your student loan pays for your education do you?

 

[Chilly]

works out about 5 grand a term a head or something doesnt it?

 

[yaruar]

Through the 12.3 billion the government gives the universities for tertiary education every year. All UK university students are subsidised. You don't think your student loan pays for your education do you?

Even after government funding we make a net loss per UK student, which is why we have to have so many foreign students to counterbalance the costs. Although that all pales into insignificence compared to the real job of a university which is research. TBH we'd be better off if we didn't have any of those pesky British undergraduates.