Uncontacted Tribe in Amazon, first photos

[Raven]

whether its a nice existence or not, who are we to decide whats best for them? Once we go barging in throwing hugs about and teaching them the errors of their ways there is no going back.

Leave them be

 

[Ctuchik]

Is keeping them Isolated Ethical?

is NOT keeping them isolated ethical? is forcing them to be dependant on other ppl ethical? is introducing new and wonderful ways to die ethical? is cutting down their forest ethical?

obviously they have managed just fine up until now. why fix something that isnt broken? more then likely they dont need us. unless we MAKE them need us.

/edit: the bigger part of known humanity have this nasty ability to just fuck things up. would be nice if we, if only just for once, just stay the fuck away and let them live their life the way they always have been.

 

[Aoami]

Thats laddeys family isn't it?

you must spread rep etc etc

 

[CorNokZ]

I say we should scare the SHIT out of them! Bring loads of machines, guns and what not!

Imagine the fun guys!!

 

[Huntingtons]

is NOT keeping them isolated ethical? is forcing them to be dependant on other ppl ethical? is introducing new and wonderful ways to die ethical? is cutting down their forest ethical?

obviously they have managed just fine up until now. why fix something that isnt broken? more then likely they dont need us. unless we MAKE them need us.

/edit: the bigger part of known humanity have this nasty ability to just fuck things up. would be nice if we, if only just for once, just stay the fuck away and let them live their life the way they always have been.

its not about fixing or breaking it. If we get contact, theres alot we can learn. medicine wise they must have alot of knowledge of the plants that can help us.
If we interwine with their exsistence who says we will screw them over? is it not possible to travel there and study them peacefully, learning their culture without giving them microwave ovens and PSIII?
If we dont take contact, will it end like The Village?
i dont know.

I do however think we should fight Illigal Lodging.
And it does seem intersting, and maybe abit Romantic that they live uncontacted (although some tribes have been forced to move territory because of the Illigal Lodging, according to the article?)

 

[kivik]

I say we should scare the SHIT out of them! Bring loads of machines, guns and what not!

Imagine the fun guys!!

Not fun the 1321878343th time you do it. Would be cool to try something new for once.

 

[Sparx]

not sure if its been mentioned but didnt a group of 'outsiders' kill off a third of one of these tribes with new illnesses like the cold when they visited one of these tribes in the past?

Let them be imo.

Or it could be a hoax and its just the big brother house

 

[Huntingtons]

nope, well thats what happend when the portoguise (sp?) and spanish came to south america first time. unfortunatly there is no cold vaccine iirc so that could happen again

 

[Azurus]

I'm gonna go over there with a few lighters and a slinky and declare myself a demi-god.

 

[Sparx]

Disease is also a risk, as members of tribal groups that have been contacted in the past have died of illnesses that they have no defence against, ranging from chicken pox to the common cold.

BBC NEWS | World | Americas | Isolated tribe spotted in Brazil

 

[Marc]

I remember when Loaded tried to visit one of these uncontacted tribes. The tribes people got their knobs out and waved them at the loaded guys before throwing spears at them.

 

[Thorwyn]

s NOT keeping them isolated ethical? is forcing them to be dependant on other ppl ethical? is introducing new and wonderful ways to die ethical? is cutting down their forest ethical?

It´s hard to say what´s ethically right and wrong in that case. I´d say there is no right and no wrong. Whatever you do, you´ll always run into ethical dilemmas. Is it ok to deny someone the truth, simply because he´s living happily without it?
Best thing to do: grab a red and a blue pill, go visit them and let them chose.

 

[Sparx]

Send Derren Brown in. That'll mess them up

 

[Fafnir]

Leave them alone, if they want to contact others they will do so. And as so many others have said all the different diseases they might not have and defence against, look at the native north americans, how many didnt die due to infected blankets?

And who's to know they might know more about us than we about them, and they decided against making contact.

 

[Ctuchik]

And who's to know they might know more about us than we about them, and they decided against making contact.

aye thats what i'm thinking. i very much doubt that they dont know that there isnt anyone else out there. and if they had wanted to make contact they probably already would have.


and then

If we get contact, theres alot we can learn. medicine wise they must have alot of knowledge of the plants that can help us.

sure, they very well might. but is risking to kill THEM with diseases they dont have any defenses against worth it just because WE are greedy and selfish?

yeah yeah i know, sacrifice the few to save the many and all that bullshit, just see where that got us. were eradicating tribe after tribe after tribe that way and tbh (be that by absorbing them into "society" or actually killing them in one way or another), the little we DO manage to learn sure as hell isnt worth the price.

were brobably LOSING more then we learn that way because sooner or later (unless the tribe is REALLY fucking stubborn, like the aboriginers(sp?) and they aint really THAT interested in giving out their best secrets anyway iirc) they will get a taste for the "sweet way of life" that we have, and forget EVERYTHING they spent thousands of years learning the second they apply for a "job" and move to downtown what fucking ever. and more then likly those houses are made out of cardboard boxes, or sheet metal if there REALLY lucky.

in one way or another theres a >90% chance that tribe will cease to exist if we make contact with them. because theres ALWAYS someone willing to fuck things up if they gain anything from doing so.

 

[Morphius]

they will get a taste for the "sweet way of life" that we have, and forget EVERYTHING they spent thousands of years learning the second they apply for a "job" and move to downtown what fucking ever. and more then likly those houses are made out of cardboard boxes, or sheet metal if there REALLY lucky.

Pretty much hit it on the head, the Ju'//Hoansi in Africa used to have roaming rights to about 1/6th of the continent, they lived happily etc but since the wide spreading of the "modern man" their land has become less and less. They used to be hunter/gatherer people, no trouble in their life, always had food and water, I could go on. Now all they have is what the government gives them, where before they knew no greed, selfishness everything was shared and they had a good way of life.

In my honest opinion as an anthropologist I'd say do not try to incorporate them into our lives but DO attempt to study and learn from them, only like 3/4 people should be allowed to go, if that.

 

[Huntingtons]

yeah ctuchik you gotta love the random percentage facts people can muster.
personally i dont make my opinion coz i know little of this matter, i have speculations but atleast i dont assume...
but im wondering. when watching The Village, did you also want to keep them isolated?
the tribes we have contacted (and thats alot). im pretty sure that a hunter/gather life is without cares and worries, cant say, havnt tried, but surviving has never been easy, else the population of the world would have increased drastically earlier, no? (speculations).

what are we loosing compared to what we gain?

 

[Morphius]

I dunno, destroying the way of life where they are completely satisfied with and where they are top of the chain of command. Or we can replace them in our society where they will be uncomfortable, exhibited, and put to the bottom of the food chain.

They're gonna have a shit time.

 

[Ctuchik]

what are we loosing compared to what we gain?

you tell me. you seem to be willing to risk it.

/edit: or rather, you seem to know ENOUGH to be willing to risk it.

 

[Bahumat]

Who here wants to see "The Isolated Trive versus Chuck "the fuck" Norris?

Would be like totally awesome!!!111111

 

[tris-]

i say we send a shaolin monk in to kick all their asses.

 

[Huntingtons]

no ctu, you tell me coz you claimed it. i dont want to risk anything but you like to assume everything. if you care enough to argue, at least have the decency to read my post properly.

morph-
how do you know they are satisfied, because they are survivng? how do you know we are gonna put them into society and just let them rot?

 

[Morphius]

I don't _know_ it, but it's very likely gonna happen, I've study 3 tribes within my current Anthropology course and one of the units is the affect the modern world has on them. On all of them apart from the very influential Zulu's who have been incorporated and accepted into a national political party, sub-prior living has occured.

 

[Sparx]

fuck em, why should they get away with not paying taxes?

 

[Huntingtons]

what is defined as sub prior?

 

[Mey]

Sub-Prior is a level of life less than what they experinced prior to us contacting them. Atleast that's what I thought it was..

 

[Morphius]

sub-prior, as in worse than before

 

[Iceforge]

fuck em, why should they get away with not paying taxes?

I think it has to do with not getting any of the benefits the rest of us get from paying taxes

 

[Sparx]

I think it has to do with not getting any of the benefits the rest of us get from paying taxes

You obviously dont live in Harringay then. We have problems with them emptying our bins properly

 

[Raven]

any of the benefits the rest of us get from paying taxes

teehee