News UK Porn blocking threat!

[rynnor]

The Culture Minister (wtf is that? get a proper job ) is talking about bringing in a new communications act to get ISPs to block porn sites unless users can authenticate their age through an unknown mechanism.

This would work through some government black list of possibly pornographic sites (you can bet freddyshouse would be on it) issued to ISP's.

Obviously the ISPs hate it - it would just be an enormous overhead for them and its not very practical but considering its being done 'to protect the little kiddies' it could end up as law...

 

[Chilly]

nah

 

[TdC]

I read about this. Lol...just lol

also, I may be available to send you some hot screen shots.... for a price

 

[rynnor]

Well may we laugh but if a piece of crap like the digital millenium act can get through who knows.

S&M porn was made illegal in the UK a few years ago via a private members bill that got almost no scrutiny.

 

[nath]

S&M porn was made illegal in the UK a few years ago via a private members bill that got almost no scrutiny.

I thought that was "extreme" pornography, I doubt all S&M porn would fall under that.

 

[rynnor]

I thought that was "extreme" pornography, I doubt all S&M porn would fall under that.

Its quite widely drafted - even implying injury to the genitals is illegal under the act.

 

[TdC]

meh, that's not one of my hangups anyway. /votes

 

[Wij]

But, but.

the pronz !

 

[Raven]

Wont work. Who cares.

 

[cHodAX]

I watched a horse fucking a woman like she was a mare earlier, that is still illegal right? Thank christ for that, I thought I was losing my touch for a moment.

 

[DaGaffer]

The Culture Minister (wtf is that? get a proper job ) is talking about bringing in a new communications act to get ISPs to block porn sites unless users can authenticate their age through an unknown mechanism.

No he isn't.

This would work through some government black list of possibly pornographic sites (you can bet freddyshouse would be on it) issued to ISP's.

No it wouldn't.

Obviously the ISPs hate it - it would just be an enormous overhead for them and its not very practical but considering its being done 'to protect the little kiddies' it could end up as law...

No it won't.

Check your sources before you start foaming at the mouth. For a less hysterical take, check the Reg.

 

[rynnor]

Oh yes it would! (panto season )

The Reg goes on about the more frothy bits but it would logically be brought in under a communications act, it would require a list of potential porn websites else it couldnt work and the last bit is speculation.

Here's the beeb's take - the interview was in the Sunday Times but I cant seem to find it online?

BBC News - Internet porn block 'not possible' say ISPs

 

[Chilly]

I defy anyone to compile a list of the porn sites. They appear faster than you can wank to them, let alone categorise and add to a nasty-filter!

 

[rynnor]

I defy anyone to compile a list of the porn sites. They appear faster than you can wank to them, let alone categorise and add to a nasty-filter!

Very true - for that reason you'd be more likely to use a white list of safe sites and block the rest for those who dont opt in for porn

 

[TdC]

they'll just use the idiot blanket bans like workplace filters tend to do. *boobies*, *mp3*, *japanesenecroscat*, etc etc etc

 

[DaGaffer]

Oh yes it would! (panto season )

The Reg goes on about the more frothy bits but it would logically be brought in under a communications act, it would require a list of potential porn websites else it couldnt work and the last bit is speculation.

Here's the beeb's take - the interview was in the Sunday Times but I cant seem to find it online?

BBC News - Internet porn block 'not possible' say ISPs

No, it wouldn't "logically be brought under a communications act" because at no time has he suggested legislation. He's trying to persuade the ISPs to do something but that's nowhere near legislating.

The most important and substantial thing Vaizey has said repeatedly on the question of internet pornography is that he really doesn't want to legislate.

You don't need a government-mandated list of blocked sites, you just need an extension of IWF blacklists (which ISPs use already), but the point would be that such lists would be promoted as a part of a parental control suite, as an opt-in. If anything, all Vaizey is trying to do is to get the ISPs to pick up the costs of running that kind of service, and frankly, as an opt-in, there's nothing particularly wrong with that.

You won't find the Sunday Times article because its behind the paywall.

 

[Tom]

I don't see a problem with an opt-in system for adult web pages. Several phone companies already use such a system on their mobile internet, a good move if you ask me since kids on phones can't always be monitored like they can if they're at home.

After all, I'm sure no responsible person wants to see adult magazines next to children's comics in WHSmith.

 

[Edmond]

I needed to have the bars lifted on my Vodafone dongle to be able to see FH

 

[Edmond]

After all, I'm sure no responsible person wants to see adult magazines next to children's comics in WHSmith.

WHSmith stopped selling porn years ago.........apparently

 

[cHodAX]

I needed to have the bars lifted on my Vodafone dongle to be able to see FH

boobscockcnutdoggingfistingbukkakecumfest

Can you see this? If so Vodaphone have got their shit together.

 

[megadave]

when i was under 18 i just downloaded all my porn using p2p anyway

 

[Edmond]

boobscockcnutdoggingfistingbukkakecumfest

Can you see this? If so Vodaphone have got their shit together.

Yes i can cos i'm at home, the dongle is on my work laptop, well, at work.

I now have broadband on it now, but when i had the dongle it was very limited as to what they would let you see

 

[Tom]

when i was under 18 i just downloaded all my porn using p2p anyway

We used to hunt for porn magazines in bushes at the side of the road. This was before the internet existed, if you can imagine such a thing

 

[rynnor]

No, it wouldn't "logically be brought under a communications act" because at no time has he suggested legislation. He's trying to persuade the ISPs to do something but that's nowhere near legislating.

Thats all appearances though - he damn well knows the ISP's wont do anything and tbh how could they really?

You don't need a government-mandated list of blocked sites, you just need an extension of IWF blacklists

Erm - that is a list of blocked sites though so what exactly are you disagreeing with?

And as said before how the hell are the ISP's going to keep track of all the porn sites?

 

[megadave]

We used to hunt for porn magazines in bushes at the side of the road. This was before the internet existed, if you can imagine such a thing

sounds awful! in times of desperation people of my age at least had late night channel 5 erotic thrillers to watch

 

[cHodAX]

We used to hunt for porn magazines in bushes at the side of the road. This was before the internet existed, if you can imagine such a thing

Fucking hell lol! Tom, my first experience of porn was EXACTLY that! My childhood friend Wayne and myself were maybe 6 or 7 years old and we found a couple of copies of Razzle blowing around in some bushes near a Royal British Legion pub. Suffice to say we treasured a copy each for the next 8 years or so.

 

[DaGaffer]

Thats all appearances though - he damn well knows the ISP's wont do anything and tbh how could they really?

He also knows what a disaster attempts to legislate were in Australia and wants to avoid that like the plague.

Erm - that is a list of blocked sites though so what exactly are you disagreeing with?

And as said before how the hell are the ISP's going to keep track of all the porn sites?

The IWF list is the really illegal and nasty stuff like kiddie pron; what would happen would be an extended list but probably off a similar mandate. On top of that they'd add the normal parental control crap along with some more sophisiticated stuff like image recognition for flesh tones etc. (mail providers already use this to block porn spam). There's a lot more you can do to block porn than just run blacklists, But the details don't matter; opt-in is the key message. The ISPs will balk anyway, unless they can figure a way to charge for it.

 

[DaGaffer]

Fucking hell lol! Tom, my first experience of porn was EXACTLY that! My childhood friend Wayne and myself were maybe 6 or 7 years old and we found a couple of copies of Razzle blowing around in some bushes near a Royal British Legion pub. Suffice to say we treasured a copy each for the next 8 years or so.

I think every red-blooded male who grew up before the launch of Channel 4 had the same experience (I can remember finding porn in a disused RAF base near us, on top of a bus shelter, and in a hedge near a girls' school). I assumed there was some code of honour amongst seventies jazz mag enthusiasts to share the good news among the youth; like Jehovah's Witnesses but without all the slamming doors in your face.

 

[cHodAX]

I think every red-blooded male who grew up before the launch of Channel 4 had the same experience (I can remember finding porn in a disused RAF base near us, on top of a bus shelter, and in a hedge near a girls' school). I assumed there was some code of honour amongst seventies jazz mag enthusiasts to share the good news among the youth; like Jehovah's Witnesses but without all the slamming doors in your face.

lol I think you may well be right, now that is what I call a sense of cummunity.

 

[rynnor]

The IWF list is the really illegal and nasty stuff like kiddie pron; what would happen would be an extended list but probably off a similar mandate.

The IWF blocks sites that hold content Illegal in the UK - it is not trivial to start blocking sites that are not illegal and without legislation the ISPs wouldnt risk it because they could be sued by the content providers.

But the details don't matter; opt-in is the key message.

You need to read the article you posted - its not opt in for control - you have to opt out if you want to see any of the sites they want to block.

including the potential for filters that would require those who do want XXX material to opt their connection out.