UK and the royal family......

[Ezteq]

The revenue generated by the Royal Family far outweighs the cost of keeping them.
I really cant see 1000's of fat burger munching yanks waddling around london for a glimpse of our Primearsehat Blair. If for no other reason, we keep them than because america hasnt got any.

Saddens me to say, but I think the writings on the wall for the Royals.
As this country strives to be multicultural and politically correct to the extreme, we, as English, are losing our sense of national identity.

lol yeah any1 ever notice that people with foreign back grounds are encouraged to celebrate their roots and make the most of their heritage but if you say "im proud to be english" you get called a bnp facist, saw on a job application the other day the bit about where your from had options "scottish, welsh, irish,brittish, asian, black (loads more but i forgot em now)" and not one for english, also there are certain places in this country where you are discouraged from flying the george cross flag as its seen to be inciting racial hatered.....im just abit sick of people trying to gloss over certain english traditions for the sake of political correctness.

 

[yaruar]

lol yeah any1 ever notice that people with foreign back grounds are encouraged to celebrate their roots and make the most of their heritage but if you say "im proud to be english" you get called a bnp facist, saw on a job application the other day the bit about where your from had options "scottish, welsh, irish,brittish, asian, black (loads more but i forgot em now)" and not one for english, also there are certain places in this country where you are discouraged from flying the george cross flag as its seen to be inciting racial hatered.....im just abit sick of people trying to gloss over certain english traditions for the sake of political correctness.

Yes, our english identity

Our racial mix is french/scandanavian/german.

Our royal family are German with a bit of Greek for fun.

Our patron saint is Turkish.

Our greatest national food creation is Indian.

Our most popular beers are chezh/german.

I say lets celibrate our englishness.... What is it again? We are a mongral nation and that's what I love most about us. We are a nation of immigrants and cultural sponges and we are all the better for it.

 

[Arbaal]

^^ What he said.

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[Binky the Bomb]

I say lets celibrate our englishness.... What is it again? We are a mongral nation and that's what I love most about us. We are a nation of immigrants and cultural sponges and we are all the better for it.

Here, Here!
What the fuck, we owned the world, and then gave it back. Aint we nice folks!

 

[Job]

It is very worrying, people around me, one's I have regarded for many years as freethinkers with open minds are turning into neo-fascists.

The BNP are going to do very well these elections.

I can't get into a conversation anywhere, with any class of white people without immigration coming up, followed by their fears that the country is being overrun.

It goes to the core of the country's mindset and is happening all over Western Europe.

I think we are brewing up a whole new wave cultural strife, I have for my whole life never had the slightest problem with foriegn cultures, but I visited the Lake District few days ago and found myself thinking...'jeez the amount of Muslims around here'.

Without thinking or attempting to communicate I mentally associated the situation with being overrun by biker gangs or something.

I'm usually the pillar of reason in rascist arguments, and if I'm thinking this...FFS, this ain't good.

 

[Sissyfoo]

Can't blame you with all the shit in the press etc. It is just gonna get worse and worse.

~packs bags~

 

[Ickleevul]

Yes, our english identity

Our racial mix is french/scandanavian/german.

Our royal family are German with a bit of Greek for fun.

Our patron saint is Turkish.

Our greatest national food creation is Indian.

Our most popular beers are chezh/german.

I say lets celibrate our englishness.... What is it again? We are a mongral nation and that's what I love most about us. We are a nation of immigrants and cultural sponges and we are all the better for it.

You may be right on some points, barring that most of europes royal familys are all related to a certain degree, and I think indian food is vile and drink bitter/real ale.
My case in point, my family tree has been traced back for 300-400 years, all english, my surname is celtic in origin. Yet as posted above, forms dont recognise even english as a racial option, we're almost forced to feel a hereditary guilt for thinking were english instead of british.
Its all very well learning about other cultures and accepting them, thats not a problem. Its when it shoved down my throat at the expense of what I feel is mine.

 

[Job]

The world will only ever be at peace, with one culture, one language, one religion.

People don't like other cultures..they just pretend to.

 

[Chilly]

The only time I will EVER visit Buckingham Palace is when the heads of the royal family members are displayed at the gates on pikes! A worse bunch of freeloading scum I have never seen in my life! Even the scroungy, daggy, crusties in Bangor weren't as bad because they knew that they were scroungy, daggy, freeloading scum!!

Not even if you recieved a knighthood for "services to teh l33t pwners"?

 

[Ala]

Cripes 3 pages .... mebbe Arnold was wrong

 

[yaruar]

You may be right on some points, barring that most of europes royal familys are all related to a certain degree, and I think indian food is vile and drink bitter/real ale.
My case in point, my family tree has been traced back for 300-400 years, all english, my surname is celtic in origin. Yet as posted above, forms dont recognise even english as a racial option, we're almost forced to feel a hereditary guilt for thinking were english instead of british.
Its all very well learning about other cultures and accepting them, thats not a problem. Its when it shoved down my throat at the expense of what I feel is mine.

Have you thought that the reason why forms don't have english as a 'racial' option is because it is the default option seeing as we are in england.....

+ the point i was trying to make is that this englishness we are so proud of comes from the fact we are a nation of immigrants. There is no such thing as an english aboriginal, they were all wiped out by successive invaders.

 

[Ezteq]

+ the point i was trying to make is that this englishness we are so proud of comes from the fact we are a nation of immigrants. There is no such thing as an english aboriginal, they were all wiped out by successive invaders.

if your going to go along that vein then what about america they always going on about their history and how proud they are of the american way, australia too the majority of aussies are all immigrants, just about every1 in europe was invaded by vikings, that does not mean we in britan dont have our own culture of heritage though and to deny that is totally pointless what the hell is so wrong with it that people have to say "oh no we are totally multi cultral and dont have any historical points of our own merrit" ???? cos if you go back far enough every country is a mix of invaders.

 

[Ezteq]

death to all royalty!!!

aww man i love your avatar, saw the trailer for shreck 2 on tv other day and when the cat does that little face man i cracked up! LOL

 

[Naetha]

TBH, if you're not a sub-Saharan African, living in sub-Saharan Africa, you're an immigrant - you just have to take things sensibly, e.g. I consider myself Welsh, even though my genetic make-up is probably made up entirely of scandinavian, european, and american blood.

If you're interested in racial inequality and why some people/races developed some things and came to dominate the world we know today, there's a very interesting book called Guns, Germs and Steel by a feller called Jared Diamond about the history of everyone since the last ice age.

 

[Minimez]

It is very worrying, people around me, one's I have regarded for many years as freethinkers with open minds are turning into neo-fascists.

The BNP are going to do very well these elections.

I can't get into a conversation anywhere, with any class of white people without immigration coming up, followed by their fears that the country is being overrun.

Yes it is all going to boil over soon, Most likely to be innocent hard working people caught up in the struggle. I have lived in many Types of areas, From a council estate as a child to a nice country house as an adult and im afraid and upset to see racism from many around me.

When i grew up on my council estate there was a little racism but tbh it is only minor compared to where i live now. Maybe the sense of community was greater when i was young, i remeber my mother taking me round to ahsitas [her indian friend] house and i remeber thinking mmm this food is nice and my eyes watering when i tasted my first chilli, We embraced people from different nations where i grew up. They were here to work and they like you are humans. I think the main problem today is that we actually have people here who think .. lol wtf free food free clothes free gaswater electricity.. I am never going home ;o

Nowadays no one knows the neighbours, Nor do they trust them and tbh the number of non english speaking immigrants in some [mainly coastal areas] is making this gap wider, This is where the racism is building up mostly.

I dont really know wtf is going to happen next, But i am sure its going to be a long painfull chapter in the story of racism in our country.

 

[Ickleevul]

Have you thought that the reason why forms don't have english as a 'racial' option is because it is the default option seeing as we are in england.....

+ the point i was trying to make is that this englishness we are so proud of comes from the fact we are a nation of immigrants. There is no such thing as an english aboriginal, they were all wiped out by successive invaders.

Some of those forms I have seen and filled out, there are no default options. If so, wouldnt british be the default, and not include options for welsh/scottish/NI?

Your saying that an englishman has no right to claim a culture/heritage due to being invaded over the last couple thousand years? Yet the welsh/scottish/irish can?
You may deny any english heritage, I claim mine.

An emotive issue at best.
Peace

 

[Ezteq]

Yes it is all going to boil over soon, Most likely to be innocent hard working people caught up in the struggle. I have lived in many Types of areas, From a council estate as a child to a nice country house as an adult and im afraid and upset to see racism from many around me.

When i grew up on my council estate there was a little racism but tbh it is only minor compared to where i live now. Maybe the sense of community was greater when i was young, i remeber my mother taking me round to ahsitas [her indian friend] house and i remeber thinking mmm this food is nice and my eyes watering when i tasted my first chilli, We embraced people from different nations where i grew up. They were here to work and they like you are humans. I think the main problem today is that we actually have people here who think .. lol wtf free food free clothes free gaswater electricity.. I am never going home ;o

Nowadays no one knows the neighbours, Nor do they trust them and tbh the number of non english speaking immigrants in some [mainly coastal areas] is making this gap wider, This is where the racism is building up mostly.

I dont really know wtf is going to happen next, But i am sure its going to be a long painfull chapter in the story of racism in our country.

very well put bud, and ickleevils post too, tbh scares the crap out of me the way things are going and the media really is not helping at all infact i think they are making things worse, they just arnt impartial anymore and getting stuff rammed down your throat by them day after day is making people pissy

 

[Gelid]

I think the first true 'Englishman' was he who lived after the Norman Conquest as it was the last time England was conquered and settled by another race. Then again, since a couple of hundred years later we captured Normandy and half of France... what does that make a medieval Norman? *boggle* oO

Having said that, my family has huguenot roots and moved to England during (we think the 17th Century) but I don't wander round saying I'm French and have every right to claim English heritage as anyone else - my mum sips tea and listens to the Archers and knows about 2 words of French fgs.

 

[yaruar]

if your going to go along that vein then what about america they always going on about their history and how proud they are of the american way, australia too the majority of aussies are all immigrants, just about every1 in europe was invaded by vikings, that does not mean we in britan dont have our own culture of heritage though and to deny that is totally pointless what the hell is so wrong with it that people have to say "oh no we are totally multi cultral and dont have any historical points of our own merrit" ???? cos if you go back far enough every country is a mix of invaders.

America is probably the worst example to give, people are proud of being american, although at the same time no one in american is just american, america is a very very ghettoised country, they all identify themselves by their immigrant group as a primary identifier rather than being american.

 

[Ezteq]

America is probably the worst example to give, people are proud of being american, although at the same time no one in american is just american, america is a very very ghettoised country, they all identify themselves by their immigrant group as a primary identifier rather than being american.

lol no thats the point i am trying to make, just because you got invaded or whatever in the past does not mean you cant be proud of being from that country, im not talking about the people who class themselves itallian american or african american but the people who see themselves as just american and are porud of their country, this is my whole point why cant you just be proud to be from where your from why the hell do people insist on nit picking and saying oooh but your greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat greatgreat great grandfather was half french so your not a proper brit, balls imo, there are third generation black people in britan or scotland or wherever who class themselves as being british ( scottish, whatever) because they were born here and thats what im saying it doesnt matter how far back you go to find some foreign relitave but if your proud of the country your from and want to call yourself british then go ahead but its the sodding pansy arsed buggers who say ooh no you cant class yourself as that cos you had some relitave three hundred years ago that wasnt born here, and like i said in my origional post im not especially proud of anything britain has done receintly but the history of this country is amazing and it sickens me that folks seem to forget that.

 

[yaruar]

lol no thats the point i am trying to make, just because you got invaded or whatever in the past does not mean you cant be proud of being from that country, im not talking about the people who class themselves itallian american or african american but the people who see themselves as just american and are porud of their country, this is my whole point why cant you just be proud to be from where your from why the hell do people insist on nit picking and saying oooh but your greatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreatgreat greatgreat great grandfather was half french so your not a proper brit, balls imo, there are third generation black people in britan or scotland or wherever who class themselves as being british ( scottish, whatever) because they were born here and thats what im saying it doesnt matter how far back you go to find some foreign relitave but if your proud of the country your from and want to call yourself british then go ahead but its the sodding pansy arsed buggers who say ooh no you cant class yourself as that cos you had some relitave three hundred years ago that wasnt born here, and like i said in my origional post im not especially proud of anything britain has done receintly but the history of this country is amazing and it sickens me that folks seem to forget that.

ok, i don't disagree, i'm proud to have been born in england, i'm also proud to be british and proud to be irish too. However my main point is that at the moment there is a backlash against the multicultural nature of england. Whereas i think the strength of england is that it is probably one of the best examples of a multicultural society that there is. It's history is one of multiculturalism, from way back when england has been great at assimilating cultures and also maintaining a unique identity at the same time. From the days when we were invaded by the romans and slyly merged our gods with theirs. To me to be english is to be multicultural. THat's our greatest strength. I love the fact that when i was going to look at flats near hackney there was a car driving past us with an asian family inside, blaring out banghra music and trailing the flag of st. george behind them. That to me embodied the spirit of england. All the current media hyperbole about immigration is undermining that, creating some mythical utopia of englands past.

Look at the current celibrations of D-Day. Watching war films or reading the tabloids you would think the war was won by stiff upperlipped white englishmen with those uppity yanks coming in during entra time and a few canadians on the touchlines to help out. When the truth is that we had whole carribean regiments, whole indian platoons, polish flying squadrons.

I do love living in england, and the main reason i love it is because it is so diverse.

 

[Ezteq]

:worthy: yep thats the one tbh :worthy:

 

[Bunnytwo]

Yep but think the main point is that in the past immigrants have been assimilated, people coming in have adapted to British life (yes it has been a two-way process, but gradual).

Think where things go wrong is when there is a conflict between the culture of immigrants and the laws of the country the laws of the country now are on many occasions adapted to make exceptions for the immigrants.

An example of this is when crash helmets were made compulsary in this country sikhs kicked up a fuss (nothing against the sikhs by the way good bunch) on the grounds that they would have to take off their turbans which would be against their culture. Government of the day caved in and an exception was made for them.

Same thing happened in Singapore at around the same time (A truly multicultural society in all senses of the word, having one of the most diverse populations in the world). Again the Sikhs protested, arguing that they should be exempt form the law.

The Singaporean government's response was "We do not say that you have to ride a motorcycle, however if you do you must wear a helmet."

Funnily enough the Sikh found that they were allowed to take their turbans off in public to wear a helmet as long as they had their topknot covered.

When I've lived abroad I've adapted my behaviour to the society in which I was living, if I had found myself unable to do so I wouldn't have stayed in that country. I didn't expect them to change their ways to fit my culture.

 

[Ezteq]

really great thread tbh its been nice reading other peoples opionions with out all the flaming and foad irl crap you often see when people express what they think n1 to the guy that started it

 

[Rubric]

The only time I will EVER visit Buckingham Palace is when the heads of the royal family members are displayed at the gates on pikes! A worse bunch of freeloading scum I have never seen in my life! Even the scroungy, daggy, crusties in Bangor weren't as bad because they knew that they were scroungy, daggy, freeloading scum!!

Not very likely though.

 

[Sissyfoo]

Not even if you recieved a knighthood for "services to teh l33t pwners"?

Not even then!!!!!!111

(well, mebbe I would...depends if there is a buffet)

 

[Job]

If you want to see how it can go..look at Serbia

The Serbs felt they were being overrun by Kosovan Muslims, they saw them as diluting their culture, they regarded Kosovans as we regard Gypsies..freeloading thieves.

So first they tried to exclude them from society, denying good jobs, pushing them out of nice areas..basically ethnic cleansing.

We all said 'how did it happen this day and age?'

Very easily, and the seeds are being sown all over Europe for it to happen again.

 

[Gelid]

I hardly think there's going to be a racial cleansing programme in the UK like there has been in the Balkans, its not in the nature of the English to take action in such a way anyway, we've always been reactionary rather than revolutionary - that's something that will never change. It wouldn't surprise me however if they started imposing some seriousl imits on the number of immigrants coming into the country and tightened the laws/process by which they gain entry.

I think Bunnytwo hit the nail on the head when he said you can't expect the country to change its ways to suit and increasing immigrant population. There was a programme on not long ago where there were two Muslims being interviewed, one was a teacher and one was a priest (or whatever they are claled in Islam). Anyway the teacher seemed reasonable enough and agreed with what Bunnytwo was saying but the priest (he wasn't a fanatic/fundamentalist either) argued that Western Democracy and Islam cannot coexist because of the nature of many rules in Islam. They both argued and eventually came to the conclusion that in an Islamic state people living in it must conform to the rules of Islam. This of course differs from in the West, where people can practice allmost any faith as long as it doesn't impinge on anyone else and noone is expected to follow one particular Church - and its this attitude that means that it is highly unlikely that the seed of racism will ever grow into some sort of genocide programme in the UK

 

[Job]

Well of course no thinks it can happen here, cos look at us..so intelligent..so cosmopolitan, so reasoned..aren't we?

The thing that struck me the most about that war is the Serbs just couldn't believe we were bombing them...they really thought we should have helped them get the Kosovans out.

In the 80's we condemned the Russians for invading Afghanistan, well bugger me what did we do last year?

It's always bad when someone else does something dodgy, but completely justified when you do it.

 

[Bunnytwo]

Well of course no thinks it can happen here, cos look at us..so intelligent..so cosmopolitan, so reasoned..aren't we?

The thing that struck me the most about that war is the Serbs just couldn't believe we were bombing them...they really thought we should have helped them get the Kosovans out.

In the 80's we condemned the Russians for invading Afghanistan, well bugger me what did we do last year?

It's always bad when someone else does something dodgy, but completely justified when you do it.

If you're talking about the ethnic cleansing of in Bosnia (which was carried out by both sides). Yep, the Balkans war was largely as a result of the Serbs being forced to be cosmopolitan after the Second World War. Considering how the Serbs suffered under the Bosnian and Croatian nationalists during the war its not suprising that they harboured deep hatred for those people's and forcing them together was a recipe for disaster, as when they started to push for their nationalist ambitions from the Serb majority weren't going to take it lying down.

As for Kosova, well the Serbs had a bit of a point considering Kosova is a part of Serbia. The Kosovans did start a guerilla war for independence. I can't really imagine the British public being too chuffed if the Americans had started bombing London to force British troops to stop fighting the IRA and pull out of Northern Ireland.