U.s.a

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

really need some help with this one guys,im going to florida soon on my holidays,anyway i have a past conviction here(uk) for drink driving/dangerous driving from 2005(banned for 2 years and fine)oh and yes i know it was stupid.anyway ive heard they dont let people into the usa with criminal convictions i know i might be being silly here and panicking a little but will i be ok? any help advice here would be well welcomed,cheers.

 

[Damini]

Erm, you really might have an issue.

Additional Administrative Processing : Criminal Convictions

Drink Related Offenses

Applicants who have been arrested and/or convicted of a drink related offense may be referred to the Embassy's panel physician for evaluation. You will be advised further on the day of the interview. As we cannot pre-adjudicate a visa application, we are unable to provide further guidance until you formally apply for the visa, at which time you will be given the opportunity to discuss your application with a Consular Officer.

The dangerous driving bit may muddy the waters further.

I hope soon isn't within the next week or so, as I think you're going to need some time to sort this out.

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

im going in june tbh but was wondering about not declaring my convicions i mean surely not everyone who visits usa is whiter that white so to speak if i did declare who would i need to see speak to???

 

[Damini]

Football365 Forum: Football Forum => Taking a holiday to the USA with a criminal conviction!

Here's a thread on another forums discussing the declare vs don't declare issue.

I'm not sure about the whole process of visas.

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

do i really need a visa though just for a 2 week holiday

 

[Jonty]

Hi ScoobyDoo

I haven't been to the US in years, but I don't think you'll require a visa because of the exemption program. You should allowed into the country, despite your conviction, but do not lie if you're asked. This will only create more problems and you risk prosecution. One other thing, I doubt you'll be allowed to rent a car in the US, or the cost maybe higher.

Kind regards

Jonty

Edit ~ Actually, maybe you have to apply for a visa after all.

 

[old.user4556]

Edit ~ Actually, maybe you have to apply for a visa after all.

I seem to recall having to fill in some sort of "form" thingy on the plane for a two week holiday in the states - unsure if that was a visa or not, I can't remember but the stub of the form was stapled to my passport.

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

yeh m8,its the visa waiver form which you fill in on the plane for holidays and stuff,im just going to fill that in and not say anything about the drink related offence from years ago.dont think immigration will know about it tbh.

 

[old.user4556]

At least if you get rumbled it'll be something to tell the guys in the pub and the grandkids at a later date

 

[Mabs]

i dont know about the visas and what not, but if its there, they can and usually will find it, its better to be honest up front and you should be ok, cos if they do find out you lied on a legal document, all sorts of nasty shit can happen



oh, and omitting it still counts as failing to disclose, "i forgot" doesnt wash

 

[soze]

Apply for your Visa early and declare it my aunt who has a ban went over Christmas her application took 2 weeks longer than my uncles but they did not stop her. I think Drugs and Violent crimes are the big ones they do not like.

 

[gremlin]

Just remember US immigration patrol have zero sense of humour!!

 

[old.user4556]

Just remember US immigration patrol have zero sense of humour!!

Agreed.

I was through first before my girlfriend and her family went through. I was standing too close to his booth/desk (about 3 metres or so) and he turned and said "who's this guy?" to my girlfriend and she said "oh he's with me" and the immigration bloke turned, pointed and said "STAND TO ONE SIDE PLEASE, SIR!" infront of everyone.

Jesus, lets say i didn't make that mistake again

 

[Scouse]

Why bother with the country that's been labelled "the closest thing to Nazi Germany since WWII"...

 

[Deebs]

Why bother with the country that's been labelled "the closest thing to Nazi Germany since WWII"...

As much as I hate the USA do you have any references I can read?

 

[nath]

Why bother with the country that's been labelled "the closest thing to Nazi Germany since WWII"...

I think that's a little silly tbh. Florida is a little backwards so I hear, but Scooby is white so he'll be fine.

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

lol ive just read the visa waiver form and some of the questions on it are a little lets say risque to say the least it asks ...especially question c ffs.

United States Visa Waiver Programme - Form I-94W
Do any of the following apply to you ? (Answer Yes or No)
A Do you have a communicable disease physical or mental disorder, or are you a drug abuser or addict ?
B Have you ever been arrested or convicted for an offense or crime involving moral turpitude or a violation related to a controlled substance; or have been arrested or convicted for two or more offenses for which the aggregate sentance to confinement was five years or more; or have been a controlled substance trafficker; or are you seeking entry to engage in criminal or immoral activities ?
C Have you ever been or are you now involved in espionage or sabotage; or in terroist activities; or genocide; or between 1933 and 1945 were you involved; in any way in persecutions associated with Nazi Germany or its allies ?
D Are you seeking to work in the U.S.; or have you ever been excluded and deported; or have been previously removed from the United States; or procurred or attempted to procure a visa or entry into the U.S. by fraud or by misrepresentation ?
E Have you ever detained, retained or witheld custody of a child from a U.S. citizen granted custody of the child ?
F Have you ever been denied a U.S. visa or entry into the U.S. or had a U.S. visa caneled? If yes; when and where ?
G Have you ever asserted immunity from prosecution ?
Important: If you answered "Yes" to any of the above please contact the American Embassy before you travel to the U.S. since you may be refused admission into the United States.

this is the form they give you to fill out on the plane when entering the us... oh and i dont need a visa

and how many people would actually say yes to all these lol.

 

[Mabs]

and how many people would actually say yes to all these lol.

These silly questions have been around for a while. A century ago the comic songwriter, W S Gilbert, entered the US despite answering the question “Is it your intention to overthrow the government of the United States by force?” with the words “Sole purpose of visit”. His application for a visa was not rejected because there was no procedure for dealing with people who answered yes.

i rest my case

 

[Will]

The US counts drunk driving as a crime of moral turpitude, so you technically do have to tick yes to question b. I know the link said you should just lie, but I'd be tempted to play it safe and contact the embassy. Nothing ruins a holiday like being deported at point of entry.

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

oh and what the fuck is a crime of moral turpitude anyway,i dont think my drink driving charge comes under this,well i hope not

 

[Mabs]

oh and what the fuck is a crime of moral turpitude anyway,i dont think my drink driving charge comes under this,well i hope not

Definitions of moral turpitude on the Web:

* Conduct contrary to honesty or good morals.
Utah State Courts - Glossary of Legal Terms

* A flexible term for an act of baseness, vileness or depravity, contrary to the accepted and customary rule of right and duty between human beings.

so pretty much anything you can do while alive is covered by that depending on which angle your working. yay for a "catch all" clause

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

moral turpitude - Conduct contrary to honesty or good morals.

but i was pissed who does have good morals when they are.. hic
at least im usually an honest drunk.

 

[Will]

Moral turpitude. Drunk driving is a crime commited against governmental authority, apparently.

 

[Jonty]

how many people would actually say yes to all these lol.

hehe, I remember on Dell on other US export websites, they ask you if you will use their products in relation to chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons. I'm curious what would happen if someone answered yes (but not curious enough to order and found out myself ). Anyway, whatever you decide, good luck with your trip (P.S. doesn't lying on the form further indicate 'conduct contrary to honesty and good morals'? ^^).

Kind regards

 

[SilverHood]

Meh, the sentence has been served. Just don't tell them, and if asked about your specific conviction, say that you didn't think auto related incidents were criminal convictions.

Also, smile and use queens english.... works amazing! :england:

 

[ScoobyDoo{KEA}]

thanks guys guess im just going to see what happens,there is 10 of us going all family and children im actually getting married out there so i hope i do bloody get in lol,fiancee is in the loop about it all,so is everyone else,they say not to worry and that ill be fine but i still worry

 

[Chilly]

Moral turpitude. Drunk driving is a crime commited against governmental authority, apparently.

It fucking isnt. It's a crime against all the other safe and sensible road users and a danger to society at large.

 

[old.Tohtori]

society at large.

Bloody hell...still? Can't they catch the f*cker yet?