TV Licenses are stupid :(

[GReaper]

I watch Sky, so adverts do not bother me. The quality of the tv shows are much better too.

Which shows? My opinion of cable/satellite is that it has large quantities of imported crap (a few worthwhile ones though), a large amount of repeats, and paying to watch adverts. Cable/satellite does offer some good high end content (sports/movies), but you're paying another premium on top of your regular subscription for it.

We got rid of cable ages ago and haven't missed it at all. Please let me know what I'm missing!

If the BBc want to remain competetive, they should go down the route ITV has to, ie have commericials.

That's personally what I fear, just look at how great ITV has been doing recently.

 

[chipper]

firstly no one is making you subscribe to sky/virgin you get extra channels you pay for it.

the fact of it is itv 4 5 etc make their money by playing adverts, that is a large portion of their revenue, this goes towards wages and making programs.

the bbc does not have that luxury and its always been a reason i have liked the bbc. lets face it adverts suck who the fuck wants to look at kerry katona while eatin ya tea. i hate adverts. programs cost money to make the people who make them need paying. only a very small portion of programs put out by the bbc go on to dvd and earn a modest income.


times have changed we now have alot more channels instead of the 4-5 we remember before digital or sky really took off. i think the TV licence people need to consider this.

all in all yes id rather not have to fork out for a tv licence, but i understand why i have to and agree with it to some degree.

 

[DaGaffer]

I still think the license fee should be either reduced or be abolished.

Good thing you're not in charge then

The system has changed since it first was introduced in 1946. We no longer have to rely on the BBC for telelvision and radio. If the BBc want to remain competetive, they should go down the route ITV has to, ie have commericials.

Why should you have to pay for the BBC, when you already subscribe to Sky/Virgin?

There's an argument licence fee funding could be shared more between the domestic operators; but the advertising route wouldn't stack up; in fact; the ad-funded operators are having a torrid time, with massive reductions in revenue; throw the BBC into that fixed pot of cash and chances are half the operators would collapse. There simply isn't enough money to go around. As for the comparison with Sky/Virgin, you're paying for an infrastructure play as much as content; with the licence fee you're paying for aerials, Freeview and Freesat infrastructure as well as BBC content; so on a per month basis, its a cheaper deal. And Sky and Virgin also show BBC content (and show their content on freeview).

I watch Sky, so adverts do not bother me. The quality of the tv shows are much better too.

That's just blatant trolling.

 

[Zede]

Only thadius that dares speak out against the FH massive ? Laughable.

Try and put it into context instead of justifying this stupid charge for a few hours of tv a week. It is utterly, totally proposterous in the modern world that you are BREAKING THE LAW - that is making you a criminal if you do not pay the tv tax.

I quote :

"We, the undersigned demand the immediate cancellation of the television licence fee. We believe this is an indiscriminate tax that makes no allowance for personal choice and indeed pays for no meaningful public service.
It is our view that the BBC should be funded by voluntary subscription or sponsorship, and that those who choose not to support the corporation, its aims, values and output, should be free to do so.
The world has moved on since the days when the BBC was central to British life. It is high time that legislation was introduced to catch up with this fact. Any modern government that fails to acknowledge this fact is quite simply defying the will of the people."


from Abolish the TV Licence Fee

Would also like to draw you attention to Detector vans What lying, scaremongering cnuts the bbc are.

FH general..what a boring place it is. sheeple.

long live FHOT.:kissit:

 

[chipper]

im sorry obviously we were all unaware you speak for everyone in the nation my apologies.

ohhhh wait not everyone has sky and do actually enjoy the channels the BBC have to offer.

people know there are more channels on offer and as such the whole taxation issue needs to be re raised.


re read the thread everyone knows there are issues surrounding the tv licence dont recall seein a post that says its all peachy. the point is people understand that the revenue for the channels have to come from somewhere. and as mentioned adverts are not the answer.


so why dont you toddle off back to your beloved FHOT when thadius has given you your fluffle.

oh and for the record FHOT really isnt any different than general infact i came to general from OT for the sheer amount of shit that was posted daily. generally find theres less bollox and flaming on here.

 

[dysfunction]

Only thadius that dares speak out against the FH massive ? Laughable.

Try and put it into context instead of justifying this stupid charge for a few hours of tv a week. It is utterly, totally proposterous in the modern world that you are BREAKING THE LAW - that is making you a criminal if you do not pay the tv tax.

I quote :

"We, the undersigned demand the immediate cancellation of the television licence fee. We believe this is an indiscriminate tax that makes no allowance for personal choice and indeed pays for no meaningful public service.
It is our view that the BBC should be funded by voluntary subscription or sponsorship, and that those who choose not to support the corporation, its aims, values and output, should be free to do so.
The world has moved on since the days when the BBC was central to British life. It is high time that legislation was introduced to catch up with this fact. Any modern government that fails to acknowledge this fact is quite simply defying the will of the people."


from Abolish the TV Licence Fee

Would also like to draw you attention to Detector vans What lying, scaremongering cnuts the bbc are.

FH general..what a boring place it is. sheeple.

long live FHOT.:kissit:

That is a so utterly ludicrously stupid response I don't know where to begin to answer it...

 

[Tom]

stuff

I don't use half the stuff my council tax pays for, but if I stop paying it I'm breaking the law.

Your link is absurd. They should be campaigning for hypothecated taxes, and not the abolition of just one flat tax.

 

[MYstIC G]

FH general..what a boring place it is. sheeple.

long live FHOT.:kissit:

Don't troll, it's boring, obvious and pathetic.

 

[Thadius]

I posted my views on the matter, it doesnt bother me if people disagree with them.

Btw, I have respect for the BBC as they remain impartial(they let the BNP on it). I would just like it to be run as a modern day company, ie, not funded by "tax"(it is almost like a tax, you HAVE to pay it if you own a tv, wether or not you watch the BBC or not)

It worked for the train, bus and telecommunication iundustries, why can it not work for the broadcast industry?

 

[MYstIC G]

Once a tax always a tax. This is why the whole £6 on your phone line business should be absolutely destroyed without hesitation.

 

[DaGaffer]

It worked for the train, bus and telecommunication iundustries, why can it not work for the broadcast industry?

Except it didn't, it didn't and oh look, it didn't.

 

[rynnor]

Except it didn't, it didn't and oh look, it didn't.

Trains - well I catch the train everyday into london and if its 2 minutes late its a noteworthy event so that seems to work. I remember it being pretty hit n miss under BR (and expensive) so cant say privitisation failed there.

Not sure about Buses - most people have cars now so except in cities (where services are still great) presumably a lot of routes were cut but cant say it would have been much different as a Nationalised industry unless your saying they should pointlessly run empty buses?

Telecoms - well its now a fraction of the cost and the infrastructure incredibly improved so looks like a win for Privitisation there.

Perhaps you can expand on what seems so obvious to you because from where I'm standing your wrong.

 

[MYstIC G]

hit n miss under BR (and expensive) so cant say privitisation failed there

Rofflecopters. On the basis that BR was underfunded, it is (because it has to be) more expensive now than ever.

 

[Ch3tan]

Trains - well I catch the train everyday into london and if its 2 minutes late its a noteworthy event so that seems to work. I remember it being pretty hit n miss under BR (and expensive) so cant say privitisation failed there.

Not sure about Buses - most people have cars now so except in cities (where services are still great) presumably a lot of routes were cut but cant say it would have been much different as a Nationalised industry unless your saying they should pointlessly run empty buses?

Telecoms - well its now a fraction of the cost and the infrastructure incredibly improved so looks like a win for Privitisation there.

Perhaps you can expand on what seems so obvious to you because from where I'm standing your wrong.

Trains are horrible, the costs have got worse and the service is terrible if you have to rely on them for work. Buses in London are stupidly expensive.

 

[Tom]

I posted my views on the matter, it doesnt bother me if people disagree with them.

Btw, I have respect for the BBC as they remain impartial(they let the BNP on it). I would just like it to be run as a modern day company, ie, not funded by "tax"(it is almost like a tax, you HAVE to pay it if you own a tv, wether or not you watch the BBC or not)

It worked for the train, bus and telecommunication iundustries, why can it not work for the broadcast industry?

Erm, which train company doesn't receive massive state subsidies? And don't bus companies only serve the most profitable routes? Not much of a public service there. As for telecoms, well I seem to recall BT being very lardy arsed about broadband rollout.

 

[Thadius]

I live in Leeds and the bus system works great here.

Leeds town centre is only small(compared to the many areas outside, such as Beeston, Hunslet, Seacroft and Horsforth, so having buses that run efficently and cheaply works well.

 

[Raven]

Bus service where I live is....Well, there are two buses and only one of them goes to town....

When I lived in Surrey it was great though, bus every 15 minutes from near my house which stopped off at work.

Trains aren't too bad these days really, very overpriced though.

As for telecoms, its a load of shit in the UK, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to look at mainland Europe. I live less than 5 miles from the exchange and I am lucky to download at more than 150 kb/s

 

[rynnor]

Rofflecopters. On the basis that BR was underfunded, it is (because it has to be) more expensive now than ever.

Thats inflation for you but it was always expensive to travel by rail relative to average earnings - nothings really changed there - the rolling stock is a hell of a lot better now - remember the old unheated carriages with the manual doors n crap seats?

 

[rynnor]

Trains are horrible, the costs have got worse and the service is terrible if you have to rely on them for work. Buses in London are stupidly expensive.

My train service is of germanic effeciency - as I say its a variable thing but then it always has been - many of you are harking back to a 'golden age' which never in fact existed.

Buses in london are dirt cheap - dont you have an oyster card? They even have those boards that tell you when a bus is due now?

Oh and those who said telecoms are crap are not comparing like with like - the telephone service is immeasurably better than when it was nationalised - thats just a fact - no more bad lines and lack of international call availability and the price in real terms has tumbled - what more can you possibly ask for

 

[chipper]

free broadbrand!

 

[Zede]

I don't use half the stuff my council tax pays for, but if I stop paying it I'm breaking the law.

Your link is absurd. They should be campaigning for hypothecated taxes, and not the abolition of just one flat tax.

my first neg rep in 6 years of FH !

Sensitive I dared question the fh general massive ? your a fuckin joke.

 

[Zede]

Don't troll, it's boring, obvious and pathetic.

Yer ! forums are just grrrreat when everyone just agrees & pats each other on the back.

Links, quotes, a counter argument.... so sorry my post did not live up the high standards of FH General.

Very fucking sorry for giving an alternative point of view

 

[Ch3tan]

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Buses in london are dirt cheap - dont you have an oyster card? They even have those boards that tell you when a bus is due now?

Excuse me? £2 for a cash fair, or £1 on an oyster card? How is that cheap, the fairs go up above inflation every year and the service does not really improve. Buses are overcrowded, packed full of kids travelling for free at peak times, drivers are inconsiderate and poorly trained. The time boards are not on every stop, and they are broken more often then they are working.

I use the buses and trains in London frequently, and they have not got any better in terms of service, the rolling stock has improved, but as Tom said, they are all subsidised by the government anyway. Try travelling in London on a weekend, half the lines are closed while they do works. It's a joke.

 

[MYstIC G]

Yer ! forums are just grrrreat when everyone just agrees & pats each other on the back.

Links, quotes, a counter argument.... so sorry my post did not live up the high standards of FH General.

Very fucking sorry for giving an alternative point of view

You wanna give an alternative viewpoint, go right ahead. Just drop all the trolling, swearing and unnecessarily confrontational bullshit that you are posting along with it.

 

[Sparx]

i work for the buses in london and i think £1 to be able to travel across london on a bus that arrives ever 2 min (up to 12 depending on route) is a pretty good deal. Where i grew up there was 2 buses an hour going out of town

 

[Zede]

You wanna give an alternative viewpoint, go right ahead. Just drop all the trolling, swearing and unnecessarily confrontational bullshit that you are posting along with it.

dont worry, wont be using this carebear general section ever again. have fun in your cotten wool world.

 

[tris-]

i work for the buses in london and i think £1 to be able to travel across london on a bus that arrives ever 2 min (up to 12 depending on route) is a pretty good deal. Where i grew up there was 2 buses an hour going out of town

£1 is cheap as fuck. how can you moan about that?

in boro it costs £2.20 for a 3 mile journey. youl get 3 - 4 busses an hour depending where you live, and sometimes as few as one an hour. i bet a good bit of money that london is bigger than boro too. so if you can pay £1 to get across a city then count your self lucky.

havent used the bus much in ipswich. there is a free one though that goes around the town and back to the edge.

 

[nath]

dont worry, wont be using this carebear general section ever again. have fun in your cotten wool world.

Are you really so stupid as to not understand Mystic G's objection to the post he quoted? Do you really lack the mental capacity to realise that chucking out abuse in a discussion will *never* take it anywhere?

 

[Trem]

Yer ! forums are just grrrreat when everyone just agrees & pats each other on the back.

Links, quotes, a counter argument.... so sorry my post did not live up the high standards of FH General.

Very fucking sorry for giving an alternative point of view

You didn't read my post then? Did you read any posts in this thread?

I also hate the licence fee and I feel it should be a choice rather than forced, if you like the BBC then pay for it, if you don't want it then don't. Sky can do it, they control what you are allowed to watch with encryption and so could the BBC so I don't see why we should be forced to pay the fee. Yes I realise the cost of rolling out the encryption methods would be high but if the money they have received over the past 40 years was used properly then there would be billions still in the bank.

 

[Bugz]

Zedes always aggressive for no reason & seems to insult others' in discussions that were previously quite timid. Best to stick him on ignore.