Tough call Plz help out.

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bloodcore

Guest
I often farm in df with my Troll warrior and a kobbie warrior buddy of mine and our dmg is about the same even tho i have far more str than him, and he seems to hit more often than i (has more agro when we are on the same mob)

With the single line respec comming up and stones dropping in TG im thinking bout respecing my Kobbie H2H Savage to full sword.
In my experience Kobbie warriors > Troll warriors so im wondering if the same thing aply with savages ???

Regards
 
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Hargh

Guest
how often u hit is dependant mainly on your weapon skill. which for sword / axe / hammer is based on str. find out his WS and Str.

edit: oh and he also might be taunting :D
 
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farathorn_nexus

Guest
Sounds a bit strange Bloodcore since my experience is that Troll warriors usually do alot more dmg than my Kobbie warrior.
 
B

bloodcore

Guest
You are not helping me here, with my question :)
 
M

Mid - Kirinia

Guest
Hmm were you buffed? Don't forget that str is capped at 300 ..

Also, does the kobbie perhaps have mastery of pain? Makes a big difference against mobs.
 
S

Solid

Guest
A Troll Anything will hit harder than a Kobold equivalent, even a H2H Troll Savage.

Troll has highest Str in the game, therefore will hit higher than any equivalent Race/Class combo.

Troll also has highest H2H weaponskill stat:

Troll (100+35)/2 = 77.5 Str/Dex based Weaponskill Stat
Kobold (50+70)/2 = 60 Str/Dex based Weaponskill Stat
 
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mavericky

Guest
I would guess the kobbie warrior may get agro sometimes as he hits more often but for less, one miss on a low quick warrior means that the kobbie takes the agro. Either that or he uses taunt to make you feel bad
 
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old.Trine Aquavit

Guest
This may be a silly question, but are you using equivalent weapons? Weapon dps, quality and condition can make a significant difference.

Also are you using the same weapon skill and/or similar styles. The style lines are not all equal in the same areas.

All else being equal...

STR will determine weaponskill and therefore damage (all else being equal) - for H2H Savages it is determined by the average of STR/QUI.

DEX will determine defense as block/parry is based on DEX. Evade is based on DEX/QUI average.

CON will determine number of HPs.

Trolls will hit hardest, but get hit more often
Kobolds will hit weakest, but get hit less often
Dwarves and Norse are somewhere in between
 
K

Krakatau

Guest
Originally posted by Solid
A Troll Anything will hit harder than a Kobold equivalent, even a H2H Troll Savage.

Troll has highest Str in the game, therefore will hit higher than any equivalent Race/Class combo.

Troll also has highest H2H weaponskill stat:

Troll (100+35)/2 = 77.5 Str/Dex based Weaponskill Stat
Kobold (50+70)/2 = 60 Str/Dex based Weaponskill Stat

This is like going back to school:p

All those numbers...
Solid, can you tell me this:
With caps being removed, what race and class (in theory ofc) can have the most points in total exceeding 300 with all possible buffs on them ?

Is the fully buffed troll warrior higher in points exceeding the number of points a high aug dwarf healer gets for instance ??
You can spend the 30 starting statpoints as you please.

Come on, do it now please :clap: :clap:
 
S

Solid

Guest
Kobold or Valkyn will probably have most stats cappping at or around the 300 Mark, cant be arsed to do the maths, do have a job to do ya know :D
 
K

Krakatau

Guest
GIVF class and starting stats..
You know you want to do it ;)

Didn't you say numbers where all you got left ??:D
And now you're telling me you also have a job ? Liar:cool:
 
L

lissandra

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Originally posted by old.Trine Aquavit
STR will determine weaponskill and therefore damage (all else being equal) - for H2H Savages it is determined by the average of STR/QUI.

Its str/dex
 
Z

zapzap

Guest
As it is now both troll and kobie warrior reach 300 in str with good buffs, so if that was the case look into weap weapstyle procs.
Zapsi
 
K

Krakatau

Guest
Aye, and healer with self buffs get quite a few points past 300 in con..but I want NUMBERS ;)

Feel free to use whatever buffs you want ...

Like is it some class that can hit 300+ stats in more than one line ?? Or do I have to fiddle with the charbuilder to check on this??

Solid, don't let this opportunity slip to show who's the King of numbers ;D
 
T

tasslehoff

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Originaly posted by Lissandra :
quote:
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Originally posted by old.Trine Aquavit
STR will determine weaponskill and therefore damage (all else being equal) - for H2H Savages it is determined by the average of STR/QUI.

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Its str/dex


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H2h is dex only i think !
 
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Wij

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Don't respec - wait until the 300-cap-limit is removed and you'll hit miles harder than the kobbeh :)
 
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frols

Guest
Agree with Wij. Next patch ill get something from having 360 str.
 
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mavericky

Guest
Originally posted by tasslehoff
H2h is dex only i think !

Nope, it is str/dex same as spear, only pure dex weapons in mid are staves and bows

edit: Passes anarky some cough syrup :D
 
D

drunkenmazter

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@ Krakatau

Taken from the catacombs savage forum
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Just to get a heads up on the various differences between the races...

Primary stat = DEX - Raises 45 points by level 50
Secondary stat = quickness - 23 points by level 50
Tertiary stat = strength - 15 points by level 50

By 50 = stat by the time you are 50 based on above
Items = +75 via spellcraft/items worn
Buff1 = Baseline buffs (+50) (there is no +50 quick)
Buff2 = Advanced buffs from aug spec'd shaman (+75)

NONE of these take into consideration the +30 you get at character
creation. So you can do something like +10/+10/+10 OR +15/+10 OR +12/+10/+6 etc
etc.

Kobold By 50 Items Buff1 Buff2
------- ----- ----- ----- -----
STR 50 65 140 190 260
CON 50 50 125 175 250
DEX 70 115 190 240 315
QUI 70 93 168 168 243

Norse
-----
STR 70 85 160 210 285
CON 70 70 145 195 270
DEX 50 95 170 220 295
QUI 50 73 148 148 223

Troll
-----
STR 100 115 190 240 315
CON 70 70 145 195 270
DEX 35 80 155 205 280
QUI 35 58 133 133 208

Valkyn
------
STR 55 70 145 195 270
CON 45 45 120 170 245
DEX 65 110 185 235 310
QUI 75 98 173 173 248

Dwarf
-----
STR 60 75 150 200 275
CON 80 80 155 205 280
DEX 50 95 170 220 295
QUI 50 73 148 148 223

Racial Resists:
---------------
Kobold 5% Crush 5% Energy
Norseman 2% Crush 3% Slash 5% Cold
Troll 3% Slash 2% Thrust 5% Matter
Valkyn 3% Slash 2% Thrust 5% Cold 5% Body
Dwarf 2% Slash 3% Thrust 5% Body

Conclusions:
-----------

Kobolds, Valkyns = dont put anything in DEX. Kobolds overshoot by 15 and
Valkyns overshoot by 10. This is assuming you have access to baseline buffs
AND the best advanced shaman buffs available.

Trolls - Dont put anything in STR. They overshoot by 15.

Norse,Dwarf - Dont put over 5 into DEX. OVer 5 will put you at over 300.

Remember you have augmented STR/CON/DEX/QUICK which give +6 for each stat.
4 realm ability points get you +12 to any of these stats. Remember there
are realm abilities that give you better evade(dodger), better
damage(master of pain), etc. etc.

Taking that into consideration:

Kobold(+10 str, +15 con)
STR 60 ---> 270 Aug 2 --> 282
CON 65 ---> 265 Aug 2 --> 277
DEX 70 ---> 315
QUI 70 ---> 243 Aug 2 --> 255
Cost:12 realm ability points

Norse(+3 str, +15 con, +7 quick)
STR 73 ---> 288 Aug 2 --> 300
CON 85 ---> 285 Aug 2 --> 297
DEX 50 ---> 295 Aug 1 --> 301
QUI 57 ---> 231 Aug 2 --> 243
Cost: 13 realm ability points

Another NORSE option(+3 str, +18 con, 1 qui)
STR 73 ---> 288 Aug2 --> 300
CON 88 ---> 288 Aug2 --> 300
DEX 50 ---> 295 Aug1 --> 301
QUI 51 ---> 225 Aug2 --> 237
Cost: 13 realm ability points

Troll(+15 quick, +10 dex)
STR 100 ---> 315 --> 315
CON 70 ---> 270 Aug 2 --> 282
DEX 45 ---> 290 Aug 2 --> 302
QUI 50 ---> 223 Aug 2 --> 233
Cost: 12 realm ability points

Valkyn (STR +10, CON+ 15)

STR 65 ---> 280 Aug2 --> 292
CON 60 ---> 260 Aug2 --> 272
DEX 65 ---> 310 --> 310
QUICK 75 ---> 248 Aug2 --> 260
Cost: 12 Realm Ability points

Dwarf (+12 str, +8 con, +8 qui)

STR 72 ---> 287 Aug2 --> 299
CON 88 ---> 288 Aug2 --> 300
DEX 50 ---> 295 Aug1 --> 301
QUI 55 ---> 231 Aug2 --> 243
Cost: 13 Realm Ability points

Another option for Dwarf (+13 str, +8 con, +6 qui)
STR 73 ---> 288 Aug2 --> 300
CON 88 ---> 288 Aug2 --> 300
DEX 50 ---> 295 Aug1 --> 301
QUI 53 ---> 229 Aug2 --> 241

Which do YOU think is best? Remember above 300 gains you nothing and 300
is the absolute MAX you can have in any stat.


After looking at the numbers, I think norse or dwarf is best. Racial
resists are similar. Norse gets crush/cold where dwarf gets thrust/body.
Which do you value more? Then you gotta consider the body structure. Dwarf =
shorter = harder to see. BUT Norse = blends in with other "normal humans".

What ya think? :p

hope I did the # crunching right!

All the numbers base off having a uber buff bot tho. That is critical!



enjoy

steel

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Only for savage tho
 
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mavericky

Guest
Originally posted by drunkenmazter
[B

Taken from the catacombs savage forum

Only for savage tho [/B]


Very nice info, but a little out of date now as the 300 cap has been removed, you now get depleteing returns over 300
 
K

Krakatau

Guest
But still , this was like what I was looking for- too lazy to put it up together in this format myself ;)

And yes, that's stats for savage, but should just do the trick anyhow :D

Thx...
Now where's my old copy of excel again:m00:
 

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