Tory being hung out to dry for a legitimate belief

[Turamber]

Why should you be able to run a business based on your bigoted views

It isn't "run ... on ... bigoted views". Roll up, roll up, get your homosexual free bed and breakfast 'ere! I can't see that being a big seller really. You are obviously a very good little boy and you always think the Government is right and laws are correct. Well done, have a sweetie.

Personally I can see a difference between a B&B run in one's own home as opposed, say, to a hotel, but you obviously can't. Perhaps you should run for parliament and enforce your one eyed opinions on others, sounds like you'd be a natural.

 

[Krazeh]

It isn't "run ... on ... bigoted views". Roll up, roll up, get your homosexual free bed and breakfast 'ere! I can't see that being a big seller really. You are obviously a very good little boy and you always think the Government is right and laws are correct. Well done, have a sweetie.

How is letting people book and stay in room unless you believe them to be homosexuals not running your business based on your bigoted views? There's plenty of things I think the government has done wrong and plenty of laws they've enacted which I think are wrong or overkill, but the ones preventing business owners from bringing their bigoted views into their dealings with the public are not one of them.

Personally I can see a difference between a B&B run in one's own home as opposed, say, to a hotel, but you obviously can't. Perhaps you should run for parliament and enforce your one eyed opinions on others, sounds like you'd be a natural.

Well in that case please explain the difference. Why should the fact that you've decided to use your home as a place of business mean that you can get away with not complying with the laws other businesses have to?

In fact do you actually have an argument that doesn't require you to make personal insults towards me? I'm quite happy to debate a reasonable argument as to why people should be allowed to use their bigoted views as a basis for their business but so far noone has actually managed to put forward a serious reasoned argument in favour of it.

 

[Turamber]

But they are -not- running a business based on "bigoted views". They don't want to go into business with people that they find undesirable. Surely people should be allowed the choice of who enters their home?

What if a person came to their home that had a hygeine problem? What about if it was somebody who was a known thief? Should they be compelled to give those people rooms, or are they allowed to turn them away? They don't profit by turning people away but they exercise their personal opinion about who they want in their home, which just happens to have a business run in it too.

There is a world of difference between a hotel and a B&B, sorry you don't get it -- but you seem to be stuck in some alternative world where having bigoted views and turning away customers makes people money. A bit odd really :S

 

[russell]

Letting gays in... thats worse than letting blacks in... and as for those single mothers...grrrr wheres my Daily Mail.

 

[yaruar]

But they are -not- running a business based on "bigoted views". They don't want to go into business with people that they find undesirable. Surely people should be allowed the choice of who enters their home?

It ceases to just be their home when they run it as a business then which is the bit you just don't seem to be able to grasp.

Should they also be allowed to disregard health and safety legislation just because it's also their home, should they be exempt from tax legislation as well.

There should always be scope in legislation to allow for people to refuse to supply a service to someone if they perform actions which in some way impact upon others or the business, such as damaging stuff, being noisy, drunk, etc but fortunately prejudice is not allowable.

We all know the church would be the first to cry like little girls about being second class citizens if anywhere barred christians from staying in a hotel/b&b.

 

[ECA]

We all know the church would be the first to cry like little girls about being second class citizens if anywhere barred christians from staying in a hotel/b&b.

If it was the catholic church... wouldn't they cry like little boys?

 

[DaGaffer]

We all know the church would be the first to cry like little girls about being second class citizens if anywhere barred christians from staying in a hotel/b&b.

Now that would be funny.

As an aside, what are the rules these days about refusing service/admission? I strikes me you're only in trouble if you actually give a reason.

(FWIW, my view is it doesn't matter if its "your home", its also a business and therefore business rules apply. If you don't like it, don't run a B&B, or, see above, just don't give a reason if that gets you off the hook).

 

[Ch3tan]

As an aside, what are the rules these days about refusing service/admission? I strikes me you're only in trouble if you actually give a reason.

Yep, you should NEVER give a reason. Only safe way to bar people from your premises / refuse then entry or service. As soon as you give a reason you open up a can of worms.

When I was at woolies we were always told hat we could refuse service or ban anyone from the premises, for any reason, but we should never ever give that reason. The security guards I worked with were all trained the same, and if we ever had police involved in an incident they always told people the same thing. It's private property, the owner or manager can refuse service, or entry for any reason without disclosing it.

 

[Tom]

Er no. He is right. A guest house or a B&B is not a hotel, it is someone's home, they have every right (or should do) to decide who stays at their home.

Bullshit. When they run a B&B, it is a business first and their home second. It's absolutely no different to turning down black people "because its my home". They can get to fuck, as can that silly MP.

 

[dub]

If you run a business you opt in to agree to business laws.

This includes sexual and racial discrimination, and anything else that goes along with it. So belief has NOTHING to do with this.

wazzerphuk speaks teh truth

 

[Wazzerphuk]

It's amazing that people don't understand that. While 'opt in' probably wasn't the best phrase to use, you agree to abide by business laws when setting up a legal business in this country.

 

[Mabs]

lol love the way people seem to think that because your BUSINESS is in the same building as your HOME they are the same thing selectively...

at least she was polite etc about it, but really, just no

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one thing i dont get, is whats the huge problem anyway? were they about to start fornicating on the sofa, or was she worried she might catch gay disease by speaking to them or something ?
or was she merely referencing a nice work of fiction to attempt to validate her 1930s mindset ? :/

 

[Turamber]

lol love the way people seem to think that because your BUSINESS is in the same building as your HOME they are the same thing selectively...

I don't think anybody was arguing that, but a business where people sleep in your home would appear a special case to me. It seems common sensical enough, which is probably why Government doesn't agree.

 

[Ch3tan]

It doesn't seem common sense though, hence the divide on this thread.

It seems stupid to me that one business does not have to follow the rules another does, which is what you are suggesting.

 

[Mabs]

I don't think anybody was arguing that, but a business where people sleep in your home would appear a special case to me. It seems common sensical enough, which is probably why Government doesn't agree.

now i dont know the legal details of it, but i bet you that they legally arent in your home, they are in the business part of the building, for insurance etc, purposes. so no its a different legal place
if you mean in general ie under the same roof, then thats your prob, you dont like gays/blacks/irish/french people, etc, dont open a BnB that is required by law to do things that you dont want