Too Much Of A Soft Touch?

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SoWat

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I see where you're coming from Mr Blackshirt, but International law should come into force as far as those are concerned.

The fact that the US government is making up the rules as they go along, and denying them the protection of the Geneva convention (something the US would have demanded if any of their guys had been captured), is due purely to the influence of hawks in the US government.

If they're not POWs, then you'd think they would be criminals, except the US has deemed they are neither, neatly slipping them into a legal limbo. It sets a precedent for other countries to follow, and is nothing short than an attempt to subvert International law.
 
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*Exor*

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Who gives a fucking flying fuck what the US has done in legal terms? These people are guilty as sin, let's just sentence them to death and be done with it. Easy. Problem solved.
 
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throdgrain

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I know some people may consider me an old reactionary,but in this case I'm not so sure of the situation in Cuba.
If the USA -and Great Britain- declared war on terrorism why are the people in Cuba then not prisoners of war?If they are merely criminals then why are they not being extradited and convicted in their own countries?
And why-oh-why is it that the one U.S citizen is excluded from the treatment and sent home to face a trial in the courts?Because he is white perhaps?
Dunno, all this sticks in my throat somehow...
 
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bigbb

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I believe they can get away with not declaring them PoW's because, the war on terrorism is not a war against a country, but a wide range of organisations and individuals. Thereon, as I understand it, it's not officially 'a war'. Someone is bound to correct me on this, i'm just going from what I got the jist of on Jonathan Dimbleby debate last weekend.

On your second point, I too have no idea why a US citizen is deserving of different treatment and given a trial, which as yet the other prisoners at Camp X-Ray have been denied or 'not got round to it'. As always with the US, they seem themselves as 'the law'. Because they're the majority investors in such security/welfare/peace keeping organisations worldwide and are the dominant military power they see themselves as able to make and decision they see fit.
 
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mr.Blacky

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not pow or criminals so they are a third group. it should have been organised before but well who could have thought up 11 september (except a lot of writers) the term pow is also not old so I do not have a big prob with how these people are treated and besides that the prisons where they were taken out were a lot worse (not a good point caus who wants to just as bad as a lot of other countries)
Also i think the only reason why the (in my eyes so called) british prisoners are not treated the same way as Walker is the fact that the british government hasen't asked for extradition (as far as i know)
They can get away with not declaring pow mainly caus they were not captured by US forces but by the northern alliance, but then again no extradition hearing
 
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Stazbumpa

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The enemy within scenario if you like.
Its not nice to know that someone who has a very real desire to see you, your family and your way of life destroyed might actually be the guy you say hello to every morning on the way to work.

Good point made by throd. If the prisoners are Taleban then they are effectively government forces, rightly or wrongly, fighting under the command of the leaders, self appointed or otherwise, of Afghanistan. That makes them POW's.
The Al' Quaida blokes are not part of an army recognised by any country, so they technically are criminals (like the IRA for example).

The USA declaring them as neither is not good, and the only American in the bunch has been shipped off home, as already mentioned. The treatment of the prisoners is not a problem as far as I'm concerned but their status as to what type of prisoners they are is, and the USA cant just ignore the parts of international law that it doesn't like.
 
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Dimebag

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Who gives a fucking flying fuck what the US has done in legal terms? These people are guilty as sin, let's just sentence them to death and be done with it. Easy. Problem solved.
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Omg so true.
I dont see why anyone would think that foriengers that come to setup base in our country with the purpose of trying to blow up our allies or us should deserve any sort of rights at all?

For example, if in France they catch suspected terrorists, and say a tape of someones preachings are found at their residence, that is enough evidence to incriminate the preacher. Now this is a bit extreeme but its the proper way to do it.

That bloke currently in London is GUILTY AS SIN, and to be honest if someone gave me a knife i'd slit the fat, parasitic cunts face off without being asked to. These people are the ENEMY, they WANT to kill people just like me and you because someone has twisted their religion into making them think this way. No one should pity them, or want to support them, they could kill your relatives the next day on an aeroplane or blowup themselves in the street and take someone out you love.

How "intelligent" does one need to be to see these people should be kicked back to where they came from now? Im pretty sure if you were in their country and suspected of plotting against them in a big organised ring, they would either have you out of there pretty damn fast, or lock your ass up in a maggot infested cell and throw away the key. They wouldnt let you continue to reside in the same country, claiming benefits and preaching your twisted filth to the same people day in day out. Think about it. We are such a soft touch its just not funny. The UK bends over backwards to accomodate others, and all that happens is abuse of the system, time we stopped being taken for a ride.


Dime
 
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mr.Blacky

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last thing i saw today in the papers the prisoners (dont know a better word or categorie or care) have to be treated acording the Geneva Convention
 
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Trem

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Hmmm i used to think that poverty spawned terrorism, but when u here of, well put bluntly these 2 faced spongers, who live off this country and then decide to try and destroy the hand that feeds them it just winds me, whats the betting the suckers in goverment will welcome them back with open arms so they can stock up and try again, AAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH IT FUCKING WINDS ME UP
 
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Trem

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And correct me if im wrong, but is treason still a death sentence in this country?
 
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Dimebag

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Yes, treason and commiting arson in her majesties dockyard carries the death pental. Death by hanging. Im totally for it, but Im not totally sure that it would actually happen.

The judge firstly has to actually award the death penalty over jail.

There would be 2 problems if he did award the dp, public uproar by people like our friend up there who would say its "not fair and humane" and all that shit. And two, you would probably have a hard job finding a hangman, seeing as no one has been hanged for a number of years :) (If they let me do it i'd be more than willing though :p)

What you said about biting the hand that feeds is true though. These people must be utterly laughing that we will let them come into the country, support them, only so that they can plot to wipe us and people like us off the face of the earth. Hysterical...

Dimebag
 
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Trem

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We can both open the gallows trap door Dimebag, u put yr argument in a better way than me(cuz i is stoopid and not l33t typer)so thanks for that:clap:
 
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mr.Blacky

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what you mean with dockyard? you would have to be good with maths though caus you have to hang the right amount under the uhmmm patient otherwise you would or strangle him/her or pop his/her head off and not as you have to break her/his head also it is a messy job caus he/her looses control over the mussels and pisses the whole area
 
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Mellow-

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Innocent until proven guilty....HA! I laugh at your foolishness fool. They have been proven guilty by the fact they took up arms against their own country and/or against the western world which together is superior to these terrorists.

Let them die slowly, or napalm camp x-ray. Oh and I don't care if some of them were English, they're as guilty as the rest.
 
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old.Notorious_P

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shot the lot and have done with them, thats only what their gonna do 2 use, so shot them b4 they get the chance 2 kill us
 
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old.Notorious_P

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plus! they have killed many ppl b4, their not going 2 stop now. theirs suposadly 100 000 taliban in the UK, which is a bit scarey 2 think about, and god knows how many in the USA and the rest of the world
 
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SoWat

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theirs suposadly 100 000 taliban in the UK
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Where did you read that... the Beano book of facts?

I have to laugh at the 'let's shoot-em' brigade. They're incapable of typing a coherent sentence, let alone try and 'debate' a serious issue.
 
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Wij

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Have to agree with Sowat here. I have no symapathy for Al-Quaida cunt0rs but we don't have the death-penalty for kiddie rapists, why should we have it for terrorists. If they're found guilty then lock em up somewhere and leave em there. That'll do me. The vengeful side of me wants to see em dead but we're a civilised country ffs. Let's not go down to that level.
 
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Embattle

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TBH I reckon the death penalty would be something they would welcome since they would go up and meet their god/gods etc. Lets just keep locked up in western jails and treat them to some soap programs etc ;)
 
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suicide121

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They can meet upwith Allah, and get their rewards, being sent to hell as an ABC Afgan Bumb Cleaner
 
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SoWat

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just keep locked up in western jails and treat them to some soap programs etc
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A couple of weeks of Eastenders should do it.
 
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old.Kez

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Originally posted by Mellow
they took up arms against their own country and/or against the western world which together is superior to these terrorists.
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean to be honest. No-one has found Bin Laden to prosecute him, have they? In my books thats a superiority. Whether or not you like the man, or agree with his principles, he's quite blatantly using the U.S like a whipping boy.
 
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Dimebag

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If they're found guilty then lock em up somewhere and leave em there. That'll do me.
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ok Wij! We'll be sure to send you the bill.

Dime
 
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old.ignus

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Originally posted by Dimebag


ok Wij! We'll be sure to send you the bill.

Dime
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Good point.

How much is camp X-ray costing the American tax payer (Nothing to do with me I know but I'm sure they're pissed off) to house the people who would have butchered their family given the chance. From what I hear from more reliable sources unlike the daily mirror, they're actually being treated well.
It seems strange to me that Bush is willing to sentance men to the DP for lesser crimes than these men are acussed of. The media is making things more complicated as usual.
 
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Munkey-

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treason against our very fundamental being and core as well as our great nation that is the United Kingdom. This is treason of the highest order. Supporting a terrorist movement that causes untold devastation and death is baaad mmkay.

hang the bastards. and boy will they have a suprise when they find no god and the souls of those they killed
 
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