Too many albs

[becana]

Do u think the numerical advantage for Albs on exc server is gonna ruin the game in the long run??

 

[Hit ^_^]

nope.

 

[Aule Valar]

hasn't yet, and thats after a year, i doubt it'll change now

 

[- Fedaykin -]

albs have more numbers but weaker classes so it balances out imo

 

[Fagane]

Albs got weaker classes.
Albs get most new players.

Only the cheer number of players keeps the RvR balanced. Still the way this is going is also not always fun.

Fagane

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

This is turning into another "albs are gimped to hell" thread. Dunno where you lot get this from and if its true, why the hell play in Alb in the first place?!?

 

[Fagane]

Thats easy to answer.

When you do not know a thing about DAoC you look at the next page:

www.classesofcamelot.com

And Albion got most choices to choose from (bigger chance you like one). And you recognise stuff you like (fireballs, paladins, etc).

You looks where your RL friends play.

And you start to play Albion. And the longer you play the more you notice you are underpowerd (badly) but you already invested so much time its hard to leave and start over from scratch.

You learn the game, learn more people and it even becomes more harder to leave. In the end you just hope to make the best of it.

Would you delete your level 50s and lose all you gatherd so far to try a new realm out?

Fagane

 

[Vell]

Albs are not gimped, they simply don't play the classes needed to make a group work.

If no-one in Midgard played our primary mezz class, then we would struggle too.

 

[Fagane]

The Mid primary mezz class is also primary healer if they want... And much more.

All Mid classes have the functions of atleast 2 Alb classes or are way better in it then 1 Alb class ever can be in it. The best nerf to make Mid equal to Alb would be to give Mid 2 times as manny classes and distribute all the powers again over all the classes....

Hibs got in general a better balance except they're mana chanters.

Fagane

 

[elder_theurgist]

Originally posted by Vell
Albs are not gimped, they simply don't play the classes needed to make a group work.

By this you mean: Theurg, Mincer, sorc, Cleric, Friar and Paladin right?

Cos if you played the game a long time you sould know that is the 6 classes a alb group needs!

 

[evilknight]

Originally posted by Fagane
Albs got weaker classes.
Albs get most new players.

Only the cheer number of players keeps the RvR balanced. Still the way this is going is also not always fun.

Fagane

So the reason why your realm sux in RvR is all the noobs then?
End of duscussion
And because all of the noobs die all the time they wanna nerf all classes in Midgard

And oh, I have a question to all the Hibs/Mids out there:
How often do you see 1 FG Albs(not in tehzerg) running around in emain/Odins or wathever.(Stealthgrps don't count)

 

[Ekydus]

Well... when I first started I started a Thane. A few RL friends and myself grouped with random people and made it to level 6. Then one us decided he hated Midgard, so we moved to Albion.

Our Midgard account was on Prydwen. This is because everyone who we knew played the game were on Albion/ Prydwen and we wanted to kick their ass. But we got bored and moved to Albion/Excalibur. Shame really. We made a guild called Blades of Malice on Midgard... I think if we kept it, it would have become one of the old skool decent guilds.

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by Fagane
Thats easy to answer.

When you do not know a thing about DAoC you look at the next page:

www.classesofcamelot.com

And Albion got most choices to choose from (bigger chance you like one). And you recognise stuff you like (fireballs, paladins, etc).

You looks where your RL friends play.

And you start to play Albion. And the longer you play the more you notice you are underpowerd (badly) but you already invested so much time its hard to leave and start over from scratch.

You learn the game, learn more people and it even becomes more harder to leave. In the end you just hope to make the best of it.

Would you delete your level 50s and lose all you gatherd so far to try a new realm out?

Fagane

I deleted a level 50 minstrel and necro to try out mid, decided I din't like it and came back - does this count?

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

Ppl do (like old.m0000) quite a lot, either that or we just mover server, get a second account or some trade (naughty naughty).

Albs aint that gimped at all, their classes just require that much more support and team work. Alb also has too many wanna be solo RvRers, its up to you all to get the ppl playing as a team, Mid and Hib can so why not u?

The only teams you lot seem to get these days are fg's of infils and mincers!

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by old.m0000
I deleted a level 50 minstrel and necro to try out mid, decided I din't like it and came back - does this count?

It defently counts

 

[Fagane]

I took the mid healer from up close:

Pacification
Is way better then the Mind spec line of a Sorcerer.

Mending
Is equal to the cleric Revjunation spec Line.

Enhancement
Is equal to the Frair Enhancement spec line.

So we need to compare a Healer with a cleric, frair and sorcerer:

Healer beats Sorcerer on all fronts, sorcerer got pets, but the body/matter spec lines are fairly bad, no area dammage spells, a few single target DoT and life drains, and except the pet no special abilities that other classes are not batter at. Even the strongest RvR point (Mind) is a Healer way better with its insta's (insta stun all, and single target mezz all again to keep them happy!).

Frair, bad caster except the self buffs and the group resistant buffs, 1 on 1 a frair is way better, but in groups the Healer wins again hands down.

Cleric, healing abilities are equal, smite is nerfed, and a buffbot does not need to be compared (you got shamans for that). Even worse becouse of the buffs a cleric has we lose a lot of combat abilities becouse most clerics turn out to become buffbots in the end.

So hack, 1 class of Midguard makes 3 Albion classes obsolete, and Albs need 2 players to come close to the abilities of 1 midguard class. 2 spots in a group for 1.

Fagane

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

You wanna try killing something with a non aug spec healer apart from green cons! At least all those classes you mentioned can solo!

<Solo healer> Oh look, a solo alb, ill mezz it
Healer casts insta mezz
Your mezz is resisted
Healer casts insta Stun
Your stun is resisted
Healer Casts .....oh wait hes here
Healer hits Alb for 20 dmg with his toffee hammer
Your self dmg buff hits for 40 dmg
Alb hits you for 600 dmg with his tickling stick
Alb repeats as necessary until healer dies
You have died fighting foolishly for your realm - get a group!
You loose some faith in your char, type /reroll to make a skald

 

[Aule Valar]

two resists are pretty unusual, unless your a mend healer (and why would you be soloing....)

 

[Belomar]

All you Albs whining about your own realm, stop it, it's disgusting. Our FGs can challenge any enemy FG on equal terms and have at least a 50% chance of winning. Besides, regardless what many of you seem to think, RvR is not about class, there's a great deal of skill and teamwork involved. So cut the whining already.

As for the original poster's question, get real. The population difference between Mid and Alb is not huge at all, it's just Hib that is the underdog in terms of numbers.

 

[Cala-more]

I played daoc 4 a month on mid then quit the game altogether. I then came back 2 months later an started on albion

 

[Molten Lava]

Yes

According to my statistics:

Lvl 1 - 50
Albs 97%
Mids 2%
Hibs 1%

Lvl 50
Albs 95%
Mids 3%
Hibs 2%

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by elder_theurgist
By this you mean: Theurg, Mincer, sorc, Cleric, Friar and Paladin right?

Cos if you played the game a long time you sould know that is the 6 classes a alb group needs!

And Mid needs Pac-Healer/AugMend-Healer/Skald/Shaman/Runemaster ei 5 classes that is only 1 less. What makes this setup difficult is to find 2 Healers with different spec, thus IMHO balances out 5 vs 6 for the "perfect" setup. Friar, Minc and Paladins are classes that many play. Do you need perfect setup to RvR - no.

Other than that what Belomar said

 

[Melachi-]

Originally posted by Fagane
I took the mid healer from up close:

Enhancement
Is equal to the Frair Enhancement spec line.

Fagane

Your BS'ing me right ?

Stackable AF buffs + absorb buff + dex/qui, hmmm sounds a bit nicer


Ohh and please realise, healers get 1x spec points, therefore to = a sorc, cleric and friar as you say, you would really need atleast 2 healers

But tbh i dont care, as a mid i honestly can say, alb is probably the worst off realm, but not as bad as they like to think

 

[Athis]

Originally posted by Melachi[Mid]
Your BS'ing me right ?

Stackable AF buffs + absorb buff + dex/qui, hmmm sounds a bit nicer

Would be nicer still if those buffs in turn would stack with the same non-self buffs from alb.

Absorb doesn't stack with necro absorb or bunker of faith (that's right kiddies, when that cleric hits bof go gank the short britons using sticks and wearing hooded cloaks)
AF doesn't stack with pala chant or cleric af
dex/qui doesn't stack with cleric dex/qui (and besides, having a non-raising damage stat as your only choice is teh sook, the buff is supposed to "fix" that)

 

[old.Mitsu]

Fagane do you even play the game?

 

[Hatt]

BEST WHINE IN A MONTH!!

 

[Fagane]

Originally posted by old.Mitsu
Fagane do you even play the game?

Read Athis replay on Enhancement. The Enhancement line is nice but not as good as the cleric ones. And you lose some selfbuffs for some group buffs.

And yes I play activily, prob more then you.

Apparently you do not know a thing about DAoC except what any n00b or plvld twink does. Or was this a general post to increase your post count? In that case it did work, +1post for you.

Fagane

 

[redknapp]

Faggy (hope you dont mind me calling you that..),

What is quite obvious from your post, is that you do not seem to understand a great deal about healers.

Basically they come in two flavours, Pac or Aug/Mend. This is because for some god knows what reason a Healers Pac spells are resisted or landed according to the level of the spell, rather than the spec of the caster. This means that to get a decent low resist Mez/Stun, a Healer has to spec very high in Pac.

Also, our power regen buff, Purity, is cast by the healer, but it requires Concentration points to cast, which means he is left with very little for buffing other stats. The Augmentation line for a healer does not have a great deal of candy in it, most of the good buffs being in the Shaman Aug line, but all the same they cannot cast what they do have on everyone.

This means that to replace the Cleric, Friar and Sorceror, on your terms, we require 2 Healers and a Shaman, three group members. Only our Healer has no offence, and our Shaman, unlike your Friar, does not do 500 damage with a stick. Throw in the fact that our little tag team does not have BoF either, and id say we are looking pretty even for utility here, in fact id say that Mid is down a touch.

So what exactly was the point you were trying to make again?

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by redknapp
This means that to replace the Cleric, Friar and Sorceror, on your terms, we require 2 Healers and a Shaman, three group members. Only our Healer has no offence, and our Shaman, unlike your Friar, does not do 500 damage with a stick. Throw in the fact that our little tag team does not have BoF either, and id say we are looking pretty even for utility here, in fact id say that Mid is down a touch.

So what exactly was the point you were trying to make again?

Except that the Alb group doesn't have the Haste, so we need a Theurg. Then you don't have PBT, so you need a Runi. Oh, the Alb group doesn't have damage shields, so we'd best have a Wizard aswell. Also, the Alb group doesn't have any AE stun, so we'd best take a err.... wait a sec



Anyway, jokes aside,

Originally posted by Belomar
Our FGs can challenge any enemy FG on equal terms and have at least a 50% chance of winning. Besides, regardless what many of you seem to think, RvR is not about class, there's a great deal of skill and teamwork involved. So cut the whining already.

 

[Glottis_Xanadu]

If you looked at Duskwave a while back, with the xml still working, you would find that Albion was the largest realm numberwise.
If you then looked at the number of lvl 50 players, you would see it was 35% Albion, 35% Midgard, and 30% Hibernia.
Cry more noobs.
Regards, Glottis