Tonight at Amg Room (sad sad sad)

[Sabu]

Well seems that albs love to be killed by few enemies. After a battle in amg some hibs went to the room. Then Albs thoght "ummm i will hitt some hibs in room, get rps, come back and rezz the Albs on Grass".

After the typical charge of albion the wall and the grass was full of dead albs and 8 hibs inside the room were laughing.

I was dead on wall looking at our clerics smyting and walking above dead albs. Well etc...

1- We had a zerg

2- 8 hibs made that lot of albs released or waited until autorelease. End of the zerg.

3- /bow hibs

4-/cry albs

(i only saw Hatjitjai rezz and rezz, maybe anothers did it too but i didnt see)

 

[censi]

aye like i say Albion do sux....

I respect middies.... its far from uncommon for even good bard driven Hib FG's to loose to a good fg of middies..

However, its very uncommon for a fg of hibbies to loose to a fg of albs.... most albs groups are weak... of course there are exceptions to every rule (veesham used to lead some good alb groups)

we took out around 14 albs at the tower tonight with 1fg... mainly due to a stonking mezz from the bard.

 

[Zag Barr]

LOL - and that coming from the realm with the no skill involved 9 sec castable stun followed by 800+ nukes.

There is a very easy explanation for sucky alb groups: It's much harder to make a good alb group and each player needs to be more skilled to work efficiently (not saying albs are more skilled)

A good hib group needs a bard (with group purge if possible) and a few casters to be efficient. The bard AE mezzes, nukers stun single targets and fry their asses to oblivion with no chance for them to do anything. If things get messy there is still that PbAE that does up to 1100 damage every 2 sec to anyone getting too close. And if your enemies really manage to get all casters down, there is still this 3000hp moose that IP's for another 2000hp to take down what is left standing - while the rezzer runs away at speed 5.

Mids healers do have that nice AE stun which is almost as deadly, but not quite so bad and they have millions of skalds to back up healers with CC. But not talking about mids here.

So what does a good alb group need:

A sorcerer of course, but chances are he goes down to quick, so better 2 sorcerers - but having about 10 active high level sorcerers in Albion, that be a rare event.

Now even if a sorcerer gets his AE mezz in, there is no way albs have to safely break mezzes with castable 9 sec stuns. Okay, minstrels have a 6 sec stun, but in that time they can't kill anything. They would need to work together with casters - which in a messy battle is highly difficult. Shield tanks could stun with slam, but then most casters have shields and can't be slamed, not to talk about a group with a warden.

Of course their is ways to make it work, but it's extremely difficult and lots of people need to work together very well. It needs an almost perfect group, which is almost impossible to find and keep together for a period of time.

Yes, if it comes to FG fights it is Hib>Mid>Alb, but that's due to Mythic and game design - not because all Albs suck ...

 

[Juanita]

Originally posted by Zag Barr
A good hib group needs a bard (with group purge if possible)

I'd like group purge, but Bards don't have that.

 

[Subbiz]

why does everybody think that its the bards that get grp purge? that would be rather uber as its already a nice class, and group purge is.. rather uber

 

[old.Xanthian]

Druid get Group Purge.. Which gives then some use in rvr, as they sure as hell dont like to use them insta's!

 

[Aussie-]

wow, the skill you need to spam some pboa near the only entrance...

press button
press button
press button
press button

 

[Subbiz]

wow the skill you need to shoot someone

pick a target press the button

 

[old.Gobarnachta]

Originally posted by Aussie-
wow, the skill you need to spam some pboa near the only entrance...

press button
press button
press button
press button

Someone got pnwed @ amg alongside with 5 other albs ^^

-G

ps. it needed also nice timing and turning MoC on and I wasn't inside room, I came outside to take your some mezzed and some unmessed arses into oblivion with this ~1100dmg / 2sec PBaoe

 

[Aule Valar]

shock

highly unusually a single, yes single fg group of albs (mainly CoA)
managed to slay a fg of hibs outside amg, and then 2fg together as they came out the amg gate, the reason for this was bassically we had afun, who managed to mes all the hibs silly
basically, if you have a sorc victory is possible, more so against hibs who's messers can be seen and blow away as soon as they pull out their instruments. Without a sorc we don't have much cc at all, i can think of one air specced therug, and mins with single mes just can't stop em fast enough
with more aoe messers we may be able combat people effectivly when its just 1fg vs 1fg, without we won't really have a chance

 

[hotrat]

Agreed Zag

Can't agree more with zag, and when he said "and group purge" im sure he meant including a druid in the group as well as the casters , bard and m00ses.

Hib groups without bards are really easy to kill, but also extremely rare.
Albs wouldn't have the stun problem if we all made smite spec clerics instead of weak old theurgists and wizards

Even after the nerf the smite cleric still looks very good against the wizard, mostly cus of the 9 sec castable stun, insta's and chain, oh yer and the pbae mezz although that will have to be used more carefully with 5 min timer.
All a wizard really has against a smite cleric is bolts and higher dmg nukes.
Imagine if every wizard had pbae mezz, what a nightmare for opposing tanks

oh yer clerics get bunker of faith soon as well, making them almost as hard to kill as hero's

 

[old.Biffsmash]

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Zag Barr
Okay, minstrels have a 6 sec stun, but in that time they can't kill anything
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LOL

They kill me enough times in that many seconds But as I said before, I am pretty crap

 

[old.Affydaffymezu]

I was that sorcerer hehe

Purge is almost a must though and damn fast reaction needed

Affydaffymezu
Finally 50 sorcerer

P.S. Anyone know what happened to Armolas? Was browsing the forum and that reminded me i still got a mez and nuke ready fro him, havent seen him in a looong time though.

 

[Armolas]

Afun I'm waiting to see you.

I have a lot on IRL at the minute, so I am not playing quite as much as I used to be, but still on a fair bit - will probably be on more again now that it's starting to get colder outside

 

[Insurrextion]

Originally posted by old.Biffsmash
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Zag Barr
Okay, minstrels have a 6 sec stun, but in that time they can't kill anything
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LOL

They kill me enough times in that many seconds But as I said before, I am pretty crap

if u know a minstrel who can kill any equal con in 6 seconds plz ask him to msg me in game thx

 

[dazam]

Hehe the albs did somthing wrong the normal after all

Tribone :touch:

 

[old.Zoyster]

ps. it needed also nice timing and turning MoC on and I wasn't inside room, I came outside to take your some mezzed and some unmessed arses into oblivion with this ~1100dmg / 2sec PBaoe

Hehe I saw u come out, quickly used my Purge to break the mezz and ran to the end of amg and nuked u to death b4 u did too much damage

(ops this is Outlaw posting NOT Zoyster)

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by Insurrextion


if u know a minstrel who can kill any equal con in 6 seconds plz ask him to msg me in game thx

Alpha > all

 

[Feldegast]

Ehm have you albs heard of shield stun?

Thats one of the most common mezz breaking methods..

 

[hotrat]

old.Xanthian quote:
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Originally posted by Insurrextion


if u know a minstrel who can kill any equal con in 6 seconds plz ask him to msg me in game thx
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Alpha > all

Its true though, Alpha prolly could kill most yellow con's in six seconds

Also would like to repeat the point Zag made about shield stun "Shield tanks could stun with slam, but then most casters have shields and can't be slamed, not to talk about a group with a warden."

 

[Herbal Remedy]

wish mythic would take away my smite altogther and give me mid healer crowd control but oh wait that would be to uber

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Herbal Remedy
wish mythic would take away my smite altogther and give me mid healer crowd control but oh wait that would be to uber

Why didnt you roll a healer in the beginning then?

 

[old.Trapp|Uberleech]

Originally posted by hotrat
old.Xanthian quote:
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Originally posted by Insurrextion


if u know a minstrel who can kill any equal con in 6 seconds plz ask him to msg me in game thx
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"Shield tanks could stun with slam, but then most casters have shields and can't be slamed, not to talk about a group with a warden."

If that warden is mezzed (wich he is, we talking about mezzbreaking methods right?) then noone in his group got bubble, not even the casters...

 

[bf_kate]

Re: Agreed Zag

Originally posted by hotrat
oh yer clerics get bunker of faith soon as well, making them almost as hard to kill as hero's

We have BoF now. It works on us, but not the group, as it should. My problem is that I have it, it doesn't work properly, but I don't want to respec as it is supposed to be good when it finally works in the next patch.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by Insurrextion
if u know a minstrel who can kill any equal con in 6 seconds plz ask him to msg me in game thx

Hey I can if they're sat down with no BT (being a chain wearer helps too).
Realistically though I doubt Alpha can kill most classes in 6 seconds, even with buffs and stuff it's just not possible to deal that much damage as a minstrel. Best damage I could realistically make is 2 dds and 3 sword hits, that's maybe 1000 damage at best, probably a lot less.

 

[Subbiz]

Its not the first time this happened tho

http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc58111/amg_1.jpg
http://users.cybercity.dk/~ccc58111/amg_2.jpg



And clerics... BoF = NASTY NASTY NASTY!
I got my second wind.. I've tried to attack a cleric using BoF as she saw me comming for her.. I frenzied.. hacked on her for a while... second wind (100% endurance heal, instantand useable in combat), kept banging at her.. I ran out of endu and she was still at like 33% hp or so.. She did use some insta, but still =/ thats alot of damage for me, when I use up 2 endurance bars + frenzy.. :>

 

[old.Takahome]

No skill stun, sure, as no skill as minstrel´s INSTA stun and run mez. 800+ a nuke? (tip: crit exists) Beside, I´m really interested to c a caster doing 800 beside pb (cap´s 660 on the BEST DD and vs grey) Make urself a favour and up ur resistance. With 29% resist, Gobar couldn´t kill Alpha in 3 pbs once coz he did 500- each.

MoC´s only 15 secs, u can simple run from the pber, mez him (best choice) and after that stun him if he purges, if not, leave him till 15 sec passed. Mids can do that all the time, dunno why albs can´t (u r not short on mincers btw). Try different CC types, u got plenty of em.

Mids can do much better room defense, u´ll whine when they got pbaoe and their healers start to ae stun all who enters in room and follow that with pbs from SMs.

As said above, group purge´s from druids, don´t complain since albs got best RAs. Armsman´s, cleric´s, pally´s and mincer´s. Ask veeshan about tactics and stop crying coz u´ll cry much more when mids got pb and u purge their mez to get ae stunned (now that would be annoying hehe) and remember healer´s perfect recovery

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

my dds to 60/50 dmg and thrust moves 40/50

minst = uber!

:depressed:

 

[old.Takahome]

Ask Alpha how to use a buff bot then

 

[vindicat0r]

Originally posted by censi
aye like i say Albion do sux....

I respect middies.... its far from uncommon for even good bard driven Hib FG's to loose to a good fg of middies..

However, its very uncommon for a fg of hibbies to loose to a fg of albs.... most albs groups are weak... of course there are exceptions to every rule (veesham used to lead some good alb groups)

we took out around 14 albs at the tower tonight with 1fg... mainly due to a stonking mezz from the bard.

All you do is bitch about albion and you do it without thinking as well. Please think about what you say before you say it but if all you were intending to do was flame alb thats another thing, personally I usually dont bother with ppl like you, I bet you are a nightmare to play with in game, but since nobody else said it I will

As for 8 fg hibs taking are 2 fg of albs no surprise really, Albion may have a higher population than you which by pure % means we got more idiots than you, I believe are % to be higher but nevermind, but Alb will never learn or only really pain fully and slowly because the zerg is not RvR training , its practical use at that point but ahh well