Tonight 9pm

[Bahumat]

Probably only UK users can watch this?

Faith School Menace? - Channel 4

Professor Richard Dawkins calls on us to reconsider the consequences of faith education, which, he believes, indoctrinates and divides children, and bamboozles parents.

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[cHodAX]

Professor Richard Dawkins, you have said enough, I won't bother watching. Man on a mission to create a secular state at any price.

 

[ford prefect]

Yeah, for an atheist he is incredibly preachy. It gets to the point where you think, "Yeah Dicky, you're probably right, now stop banging on about it!"

 

[Sparx]

Dawkins is just as bad as preachers who preach the word of God. He is an extremist

 

[old.Tohtori]

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Funny

Extremists, bane of all ways of life/religions/faiths/things.

 

[Ch3tan]

Professor Richard Dawkins, you have said enough, I won't bother watching. Man on a mission to create a secular state at any price.

Am I missing something? We already live in a secular state.

Anyway, dawkins is extreme in his views, but the Faith School craze does worry me. Children should be taught to the same standard across the board, and while I do not have an issue with religious teaching at school -despite being an athiest, I think it's a very easy way to teach morals at a young age - I do have a problem with segregation and a refusal to teach certain topics.

 

[old.Tohtori]

To be honest, schools should have a triple teaching system(i know it takes resources); basic(christian i guess?), creationism(or location dependant thing) and evolution(being the default "all else" teaching).

Let the parents(or choosy kids) choose their path.

 

[Sparx]

teaching religion is a good way to teach morals on whats right and whats wrong. I totally believe in Darwin and there is no God. But the teachings at a young age do help. Perhaps change how its taught and use more as a guide rather than a warning

 

[ford prefect]

teaching religion is a good way to teach morals on whats right and whats wrong. I totally believe in Darwin and there is no God. But the teachings at a young age do help. Perhaps change how its taught and use more as a guide rather than a warning

Actually I would disagree with that. Most religions teach intollerence.

 

[cHodAX]

Actually I would disagree with that. Most religions teach intollerence.

Mine didn't. I was raised a Roman Catholic but we had Jews/Hindus/Muslims/Protestants attending at all 3 schools I attended. They were not forced to study R.E. but were encouraged to attend so that they could learn what our relgion was about, also every pupil learned about the things that all the major religions have in common and shared heritage. We were also thought about the Crusades and the terrible acts commited in the name of Christianity, it was not glossed over to paint us in a good light and Muslims as devils.

Personally I think the schools got it pretty much spot on, religious intolerance as never an issue at my schools. Infact race rows amongst black and white Christians was far more prevelant, that was a symptom of society in the 1980's and not religion though.

 

[megadave]

Letting the parents choose is a shit idea, some parents will just brainwash their kids.

Teach the kids all of it and let them decide.

 

[Ch3tan]

Letting the parents choose is a shit idea, some parents will just brainwash their kids.

Teach the kids all of it and let them decide.

This.

But this what cho was saying in his post, the problem with the PC society and equality that we have gained during the Labour reign is that everyone thinks they deserve everything. So religious parents want one religion schools and demand they get it.

I grew up in the 80's too, and had the same school experience as cho, my primary and secondry schools were not church schools, but most of the teachers were Christian. In assembly in primary school we sung hymns, and we went to church for harvest etc. No one was forced to do anything, and no one was being converted, and there was no uproar from parents of different religions. People accepted that living in the UK meant adapting.

Like cho we also learnt about ALL religions in schools.

 

[DocWolfe]

As far as I'm concerned all churches should be burned to the ground. And Dawkins is right, these schools to indoctrinate people.

 

[Lamp]

m8 of mine has 2 lovely girls, both being educated in a strict Roman Catholic school. The kids speak beautiful English, are well mannered, have a full and balanced curriculum (ok there's a lot of praise jesus involved, but so what?), and they're very bright. Whats the problem with that?

 

[Aoami]

Mine didn't. I was raised a Roman Catholic but we had Jews/Hindus/Muslims/Protestants attending at all 3 schools I attended. They were not forced to study R.E. but were encouraged to attend so that they could learn what our relgion was about, also every pupil learned about the things that all the major religions have in common and shared heritage. We were also thought about the Crusades and the terrible acts commited in the name of Christianity, it was not glossed over to paint us in a good light and Muslims as devils.

Personally I think the schools got it pretty much spot on, religious intolerance as never an issue at my schools. Infact race rows amongst black and white Christians was far more prevelant, that was a symptom of society in the 1980's and not religion though.

Yeah i went to a CofE school in Windsor, which had as many Sikhs at it as it did christians. They were always keen to teach morals rather than any evangelical bullshit.

 

[cHodAX]

Yeah i went to a CofE school in Windsor, which had as many Sikhs at it as it did christians. They were always keen to teach morals rather than any evangelical bullshit.

Tis good to hear, morals are what matter and the rest (sermons, bible study etc) of it can be a corrupting influence if thought by the wrong person as they are always giving you thier own personal version of how they see it.

 

[cHodAX]

As far as I'm concerned all churches should be burned to the ground. And Dawkins is right, these schools to indoctrinate people.

Rubbish and I say that with love.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Letting the parents choose is a shit idea, some parents will just brainwash their kids.

Teach the kids all of it and let them decide.

Liek they don't do that from day 1 anyway?

To a certain age, parents still have some power over things.

Ofcourse in this case, i guess parents who heard a kid was learning creationism and wanted to veto it, that could be an option.

 

[Zede]

religious indoctrination breeds rebellion in alot of kids. i personally spent my sunday school swapping..it was if i remember Football 77 panini stickers. Esemblies in school 3 times a week, sermon read at each, 3 or so hymns sang, various fecking prayers. 4 Hours of RE at week, compulsary Latin :/

I reckon 93% of pupils at Catholic and CoE at least have parents telling them not to believe half the shit they are told. What did it say in the program, 7% of the pop are church goers.

 

[ford prefect]

Mine didn't. I was raised a Roman Catholic but we had Jews/Hindus/Muslims/Protestants attending at all 3 schools I attended. They were not forced to study R.E. but were encouraged to attend so that they could learn what our relgion was about, also every pupil learned about the things that all the major religions have in common and shared heritage. We were also thought about the Crusades and the terrible acts commited in the name of Christianity, it was not glossed over to paint us in a good light and Muslims as devils.

Personally I think the schools got it pretty much spot on, religious intolerance as never an issue at my schools. Infact race rows amongst black and white Christians was far more prevelant, that was a symptom of society in the 1980's and not religion though.

I was raised Catholic too. It teaches intollerence amongst other things against homosexuality, abortion and divorce. Historically the catholic church is guilty of some of the worst crimes against humanity, not to mention a convenient position of silence during the holocaust.

I am not singling out Catholocism though, most religions teach similar variations on these things.