News Tobacco displays to be banned in shops

[cHodAX]

BBC News - Tobacco displays to be banned from shops

Tobacco displays in shops will be banned in England as part of a package of measures to discourage smoking.

Instead, cigarettes and other products will have to be kept under-the-counter from 2012 for large stores and 2015 for small shops, ministers have announced.

A consultation will also be launched on whether manufacturers should be forced to put cigarettes into plain packets.

They have had this in Ireland for a while now and from what I can gather it has made zero difference towards cutting smoker numbers or stopping kids from taking up smoking. Really, I just cannot see the logic in this, it is big government running wild again. I thought Cameron was all for letting people run thier own lives?

 

[Wazzerphuk]

How do you know if a shop sells them? Is there a sign? Or are we supposed to randomly guess?

 

[cHodAX]

How do you know if a shop sells them? Is there a sign? Or are we supposed to randomly guess?

Lucky dip.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Yeah, plain packets will discourage me from smoking. Sure

About the display thing? Well. Let's see.

ANyone ever went to the store and go "Hmm, those look nice. I'll buy a pack."? Kids sure as hell can't do it, unless some moron buys underaged kids cigarettes. (Leave that to the parents smokers )

So, if it doesn't discourage anyone for smoking, as it doesn't courage so by having them on display, what will it do?

1 - It will mean the cashiers have to do extra work every time someone wants cigs. Bring on even more annyed cashiers.
B - It will mean more annoyed customers as the queues will get longer(thinking cumulative).
C...3...or...PO - Waste money and time; time from other needed legislation issues and money from the stores as they have to take down displays and build holders under the counter for, oh what, 20-25 brands of cigs?

So waste of time, money and annoys people. Two thumbs up!

Not up in air mind you.

 

[megadave]

So yeah, how do you know which product they have?

 

[Wij]

The Daily Mash - Tories to treat you like children too

 

[Moriath]

its just so they can make out they are doing something and still keep the tax revenue .. oh and it was a labour proposal thats been ratified by the coalition not just their idea

 

[DaGaffer]

How do you know if a shop sells them? Is there a sign? Or are we supposed to randomly guess?

Yep, you are literally supposed to randomly guess. And its really annoying if you smoke a less obvious brand, because you always have to ask. Its made fuck all difference in Ireland, but, to be fair, there are some big structural differences; the pub ban came in here a long time before the UK, so there was a big drop in users then, along with a bunch of eye-watering price hikes (fags are nearly 9 euro a pack here), so by the time the display ban came in you were already down to a hard core group of smokers. The other big factor is that Ireland is a massive market for smuggled fags that are usually sold at Sunday markets/Car boot sales etc. in 200/400 packs, so the retail sale of fags is probably at a stable low figure that won't change that much.

Fortunately I gave up at Christmas and I seem to have managed to stick to it this time.

 

[Punishment]

So yeah, how do you know which product they have?

You have 2-3 laminated a4 pages behind the counter you show the customer (while trying to make sure the customer behind doesnt see) My last job was supervisor in a shop with this bollox

 

[Wij]

The other big factor is that Ireland is a massive market for smuggled fags that are usually sold at Sunday markets/Car boot sales etc. in 200/400 packs, so the retail sale of fags is probably at a stable low figure that won't change that much.

Governments trying to ban or tax stuff people like out of existence always works perfectly with no unintended consequences doesn't it ?

*go back to watching Boardwalk Empire*

 

[Genedril]

Plain packs... Could get interesting:

"I'll have 20 Marlboro Red please"

"Certainly Sir" - Hands over a plain pack.

"So these are Marlboro Reds??"

"Yes Sir"

Walks outside and lights up to find themselves facing a Regal or something worse.... With all the dodgy fags out there at it's a real possibility .

​

That and the case that when I ask for Marlboro they give me lights so I ask for reds which gains me mediums and it's not until I point at the shelves and say "3rd row down 4th from the right" that I get what I want - unless I go to my local tobacconist which is the dogs.

 

[Punishment]

Plain packs... Could get interesting:

"I'll have 20 Marlboro Red please"

"Certainly Sir" - Hands over a plain pack.

"So these are Marlboro Reds??"

"Yes Sir"

Walks outside and lights up to find themselves facing a Regal or something worse.... With all the dodgy fags out there at it's a real possibility .

​

That and the case that when I ask for Marlboro they give me lights so I ask for reds which gains me mediums and it's not until I point at the shelves and say "3rd row down 4th from the right" that I get what I want - unless I go to my local tobacconist which is the dogs.

Not going ot happen as the laws you are going to have before plain packs will mean there is nothing on display and no advertising, so nothing to point to

 

[Access Denied]

Beat me to posting this, bastard

Couldn't agree more with everyone here, probably everyone in the whole country who isn't in government. Massive waste of time. It wasn't seeing the displays or the fancy packaging that made me start smoking way back when and banning them won't stop teenagers starting to smoke now. This has already been tried in Australia and it's made absolutely no difference. Complete lunacy.

 

[Punishment]

Like its absurd showing a customer whats available on your 2-3 lamenated government A4 size sheets and speaking in a low voice while trying not to let the customers behind see.

In a society where its legal for hundreads of gay people to have pride parades dressed as fairies and for anyone over 18 to go into a sexshop and proudly exclaim "I'LL HAVE THE BIG PINK DILDO WITH THE BALLS INSIDE IT PLEASE" You would think if people wanted to smoke they would just let them get on with it, when i was 15 you could smoke legally and thats only 12 years ago, i think its EU political correctness gone haywire and be damned with any national feelings on it.

 

[Will]

Political correctness, the most overused phrase ever. This has nothing to do with political correctness. It is about the autonomy of the individual versus the states desire to improve their long term health outcomes.

It also has nothing to do with the EU.

 

[Punishment]

Political correctness, the most overused phrase ever. This has nothing to do with political correctness. It is about the autonomy of the individual versus the states desire to improve their long term health outcomes.

It also has nothing to do with the EU.

The EU put pressure on the Irish government to implement it and they did same as the indoor smoking ban, we just did a Lemming slightly before you guys.

Also Political correctness has everything to do with it, we have to endure all kinds of crap in everyday life in its name and to support the liberties it bestows, but smokers now have to not only stand in the rain but also act like somsone buying porn in the back of a video store to buy some smokes.

Keep it simple, just charge smokers higher health insurance and pay for it that way and keep your nose out EU officemonkeys

 

[Will]

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, religious belief, disability, and age-related contexts...

You can call it excessive governmental interference in your personal freedoms but it isn't the same thing as political correctness. Can you tell that this is a personal bugbear?

Also, wasn't Ireland the first country in Europe to implement a smoking ban? I would have assumed there would have been little pressure from the EU towards Ireland, especially compared to countries who implemented it later.

 

[Punishment]

The 1st country to implement anything like that is always under the most pressure as it creates a precedent, and yes it effects me because i smoke and i think its both pointless and draconian, smacks of Prohibition in the 1910's in the states and that was 100 years ago.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Keep it simple, just charge smokers higher health insurance and pay for it that way and keep your nose out EU officemonkeys

Well, then we get to the whole money thing, which is a whole new bag of discussion rants

 

[Ch3tan]

The 1st country to implement anything like that is always under the most pressure as it creates a precedent, and yes it effects me because i smoke and i think its both pointless and draconian, smacks of Prohibition in the 1910's in the states and that was 100 years ago.

It's not prohibition though is it, you can still smoke. It come's down to victimise non-smokers by making them choose whether to go to bars, clubs and come out stinking or not go out; or victimise smokers by not letting them smoke indoors. It's fairly obvious that they went for the most sensible option.

 

[old.Tohtori]

It's not prohibition though is it, you can still smoke. It come's down to victimise non-smokers by making them choose whether to go to bars, clubs and come out stinking or not go out; or victimise smokers by not letting them smoke indoors. It's fairly obvious that they went for the most sensible option.

It would be, but it didn't stop there.

Someone telling me "Go smoke outside please", i'm more then happy to.

Someone telling me "And stop smoking", i'm more then happy to tell them to f*ck off

 

[Will]

ISomeone telling me "And stop smoking", i'm more then happy to tell them to f*ck off

But they haven't told you that.






Yet.

 

[georgie]

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Smokers,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Smoker.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I always thought it should go a little something like this;

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Smokers,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Smoker.

Then they came for me,
and i...

...was motherf*cking prepared motherf*ckers!

 

[sayward]

I am extremely anti smoking. I actually like coming out of a restaurant not smelling of smoke.
However I think people should be able to smoke if they want to. And it's ridiculous to hide the cigarettes just as it was ridiculous to remove the advertising from F1 cars.

 

[Vasconcelos]

I am extremely anti smoking. I actually like coming out of a restaurant not smelling of smoke.
However I think people should be able to smoke if they want to. And it's ridiculous to hide the cigarettes just as it was ridiculous to remove the advertising from F1 cars.

Sure thing, but not around me when im in a public place pretty please.

Now the controversy comes with the definition of "public places", specially when refering to places in the "shadow" zone: parks, bus stops, street benches, ...

 

[Wazzerphuk]

If I'm in public I don't want people near me at all pretty please.

Deal with it you whining girl.

 

[Mabs]

smoking: bad for you , socially unacceptable, health probs, evil and wrong, blah blah
drinking watered down poison: acceptable

when they going to shut the off-licences ?

its got precisely FUCK ALL to do with anything medical

its pandering to interest groups and opinion polls

i no longer smoke, but i think its fucking pathetic, and seriously, who goes into a shop and buys them cos they are there ? i dont know anyone who started like that, it was mostly peer pressure

 

[old.Tohtori]

But they haven't told you that.

Yet.

True, not by those words, but with banning smoking(pubs are fine), hiding cigarettes and so forth, they effectively try to tell that.

And i'm guessing the yet may be sooner then later.

 

[DaGaffer]

I was once told to stop smoking when I was stood 100s of yards from anybody up a mountain. A woman skied over to me to tell me stop. I particularly enjoyed telling her how to fuck off in great detail.