To the mid cheaters/exploiters at berkstead

[Driwen]

Originally posted by darbey
Ditto.

What on earth would he have to gain by making this up? Some people are just so blind to the truth

the screens show 3 mids being in a keep thats it. So report it to goa and let them judge them. If they used a hack to get through the door then goa will ban them, if they abused the situation the same thing will happen. I dont know what they did there except reading here that they killed a gaurd that was shooting at them. But if they didnt do anything else it isnt that wrong of them.

People who are "defending" them are just giving some counterweight to the major overreaction that people are having here. It isnt proving that they hacked and as far as I know they didnt majorly abused the situation either (probably couldnt). Now unless someone actually shows us that they truly abused the situation (killing a gaurd and waiting till mates drop the gate isnt truly abusing it) than they shouldnt get banned over this. Warning yes, suspension maybe, but ban no.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Zoldot
what does those screenies shows? they could have logged in the keep who knows? and as ormmir sad I bilieve it was the door bug.
and I would like to tell all the albs to stfu since I seen and took screeenies of many necros walking trough doors... and then albs were perfectly fine with it. and btw... albs stole mid relics also I think I can remember by usin necros that shoot trough wall? i dont give a shit if mythic were to afraid to tell it was a fuckup by them and instead told it worked as probperly..
alb abused there necros to the fullest by taking relics and stuff when they could.....

fyi, goa fucked up necro's, they also fucked up pre 1.62 zerkers and savages, now if ur gonna ban a necro for using los bug, you have to ban every current savage for using bugged quad rate and every pre 1.62 zerker and shadowblade as they used bugged LA, and the bugs with the old LA and current Savages are a damn sight more widely used than Necro's ever were. So basically ur logic is a pile of shite and you have fuck all idea what ur talking about. Have a nice day.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by driwen
the screens show 3 mids being in a keep thats it. So report it to goa and let them judge them. If they used a hack to get through the door then goa will ban them, if they abused the situation the same thing will happen. I dont know what they did there except reading here that they killed a gaurd that was shooting at them. But if they didnt do anything else it isnt that wrong of them.

People who are "defending" them are just giving some counterweight to the major overreaction that people are having here. It isnt proving that they hacked and as far as I know they didnt majorly abused the situation either (probably couldnt). Now unless someone actually shows us that they truly abused the situation (killing a gaurd and waiting till mates drop the gate isnt truly abusing it) than they shouldnt get banned over this. Warning yes, suspension maybe, but ban no.

originally posted by Old.Crazymuppet
Some additional info:

- Only 3 mids were inside, cos either the mids outside couldn't get in or WOULDN'T go in (smart).

- When i killed the Shaman (troll flammen vakten in the picture), the other 2 immediatly came inside again to search for me and to rez their fallen shaman.... yes they REZZED from the inside before 2nd door was down.

- The BD attacked me inside when i killed one of those 3 (he set his pets on me)

- They attacked keepguards and archers inside.

- They did not kill lord before 2nd door was down cos it was only 3 of em inside.

- Once the 2nd door was down, all the archers had been cleaned and there were no shadowblades there

dunno if u missed that bit

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
dunno if u missed that bit

yep I did. It isnt actual proof, but there is very little reason to assume why he would lie about it. So yep they cheated badly. And then they do deserve a ban or at the very least a suspension of several weeks.

Btw if this happens when you are alone in the keep and with just one or three of them, try to attack them from the lord room or something similar (dont know if this is possible in alb keeps, it is in mids). This will most likely force them back behind the gate where you cant hit them and were they belong.
Atleast I worked for me, when some hib somehow ended up on the wrong side of the gate. Shot him twice (being hunter helps with that) and then he decided the other side of the gate(the right side) was a better place to be.
Off course this doesnt work for every character and it shouldnt have to be done as you are supposed to be safe from melee (except from wallclimbing stealthers) inside the keep with gates closed. However when its happening to some enemies on your keep this might force them to act properly instead of ruining your gameplay.

 

[Gorrion]

i have been reading this post and i really feel bad about some of the harsh words used on several reply's and maby also the original post itself if the intend was to get those players banned.

yes it seem like the 2nd door in some way was/is bugged, but dont think the players inside knew they could actually walk through it, and prolly found it funny that they could do so. And, had the keep been defended im sure those who got throug the door would be swiftly killed by defending alb's and guards.

What makes me post this is that players want to ban other players for (in most cases) been (exploiting a bug) that they prolly did not know existed before actually is confronted with it. you know . . . those playes prolly have used alot of hours/days/weeks/ to get their chr to level 50, and you wish they get banned imidiately for a ingame bug??. i think it is so evil thinking.

If you really want to ban someone i would point my fingers at buffbot users, these are truely the once making the game unbalanced, and almost unplayeble in rvr for those who dont have buffbot. (unless ofc you want to play in those borring FOTM zerk emain group's)

To some extend the biggest unsolved bug ingame is the buffsystem!

 

[Kurik BHM]

i had a similar incident at emain amg... ppl opening the gates and going thru as usual... but i couldnt.... there was a solid door and i couldnt open it...

really weird tbh

 

[minimice]

Originally posted by belth
Well, if it's that old sync-bug, just relog. It was fixed quite long ago though.

nope its still there, i get it often in Svasund Faste...
pplz running inn and out while my door is closed

 

[ilienwyn]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
fyi, goa fucked up necro's, they also fucked up pre 1.62 zerkers and savages, now if ur gonna ban a necro for using los bug, you have to ban every current savage for using bugged quad rate and every pre 1.62 zerker and shadowblade as they used bugged LA, and the bugs with the old LA and current Savages are a damn sight more widely used than Necro's ever were. So basically ur logic is a pile of shite and you have fuck all idea what ur talking about. Have a nice day.

What the man said. Btw, changing the resists and debuff system means that debuff nukers are also cheaters?

Bah, just try to have fun imho, while you still can

 

[Kindar]

Sigh..

Ok...i saw the screenies, but hard to judge still imo. A door which i can walk you can walk through...so what? If its a bug ingame...then its not a cheat. I've seen the walkthrough for a few people on the retakings on Bledmeer a few times.

Imo this is just a +1 post. Necros had a bug, and savages had a bug...but wtf was wrong with LA? It just hitted hard...is that a bug? 0_o

Quit the freaking whining. If that moment was first time...and the bug has been seen several places and by several people...still cheat?

Whatever....all 3 realms has been accused of cheating. Now go craft or do something else instead. You wont get much out of this.

 

[old.CrazyMuppet]

Originally posted by Kindar
Sigh..

Ok...i saw the screenies, but hard to judge still imo. A door which i can walk you can walk through...so what? If its a bug ingame...then its not a cheat. I've seen the walkthrough for a few people on the retakings on Bledmeer a few times.

Exploit... also against CoC....u should read it.

And about the hard to judge part.... what do you want as evidence, a movie in technicolor?

Imo this is just a +1 post. Necros had a bug, and savages had a bug...but wtf was wrong with LA? It just hitted hard...is that a bug? 0_o

No, that was imbalance.

Quit the freaking whining. If that moment was first time...and the bug has been seen several places and by several people...still cheat?

All that gain from the bug are bugexploiting.

Whatever....all 3 realms has been accused of cheating. Now go craft or do something else instead. You wont get much out of this.

Since we have no ingame CSR's and no ingame appeal system we have to police ourselves. Your attitude isn't helping. I saw people bugexploiting, so i report it, simple. Think of me what you will, but next time people find themselves in the same situation MAYBE they wont exploit that bug. (or TS the keep thoroughly )

Other than that those players were not very smart... i killed a few of em in berk and yet they kept coming inside and rezzing their m8s.

Smart players would have known there was a infil taking some nice kodak moments and get outside the keep asap.

And yes, those exploiters hampered me in my attempts to defend the keep. I killed that Shaman and healer for a reason.

If it wasnt for the rezzer walking through the door they would have had a healer and a shaman less to take care of guard pops.

 

[phule_gubben]

LoL at those calling me names and shit. I didn't whine nor did i defend the actions taken by the mids that was on the screens. apparently it's the "old" doorbug as some are saying. According to daoc.stats.com no keep was taken at the time u can see on his screens so they couldn't have used it to their advantage or could they?

I wasn't there myself so i don't really care. I can only speak for myself and I really hate cheaters/haxxors, they fxxk up the game for all trying to play the game as it's intended.

To some of u blindbats out there. READ what people say and try understand before u lower yourself to namecalling.

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Kindar
<snip>
Ok...i saw the screenies, but hard to judge still imo. A door which i can walk you can walk through...so what? If its a bug ingame...then its not a cheat. I've seen the walkthrough for a few people on the retakings on Bledmeer a few times.
<snip>

Taken from the RoC:

Players undertake not to make use of any bugs, nor to use any undocumented functions, nor to exploit any possible design faults. Players also undertake to notify GOA personnel of the presence of any bugs, undocumented functions or design faults that they may discover as soon as possible.

This is just like people that wallbugged to get into enemies land before that was fixed (is it?).
People defended them - but there is no defence. You find yourself somewhere where you shouldn't be due to a bug - return of it and report it.
There is no way 3 people wouldn't know this was a bug.

All the people stood and hit a gate, then you can't even think that it isn't there and you can go inside. (repeatedly?)

Logical thinking is not prohibted in this game.

Ban, temporary ban, warnning or what - that is in the hands of GOA. (uhh - that didn't sound good though)

But they clearly faced a bug, but when using that bug they broke the RoC.

 

[xajorkith]

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[sundra]

muhahahhaha
how can u say they didnt know it was bugged when they run in and out while their mates still banging on the second door,they killed the archers and attacked jager defending.When the healer and shaman got killed inside by jager they came thru and rezzed them come on how much more do u need to see ffs

 

[xajorkith]

If that happened then fair enough they cheated, and I'll retract what I wrote.

> come on how much more do u need to see ffs

The screenies and logs don't show that. I can only pass my opinion (FWIW) on what evidence the Albs have presented.

 

[Gordonax]

There are two different possible scenarios:

ONE: You run at a door to start hacking on it, and to your surprise pass straight through it. A gaurd attacks you and you kill it, and run back out again, taking no more part in the action as you realise you're bugged.

TWO: You are at a door and do... something... deliberately to pop through it. You then kill a gaurd, go out, come back in again at will using the same process.

The first is a bug, but it's not bug abuse. The second is bug abuse. The first wouldnt be against the CoC, the second would.

 

[Zoldot]

abfluid or whatever!?
wtf was bugged with LA?? and savages isn't bugged!?
Necrod were. Why do you think they fixed necros in 2 weeks and it took 1 year for LA balance?
You calling me an idiot? or whoever did, I think ur the idiot here. I just stated the fact that albs abuse as much as mids. They abused to the fullest the necro bug.
But those in that screenie doesn't show NOTHING!!
They could have log in the keep.
But I bilieve they got the door bug so they didnt see any door or something.. and I bilieve 95% of you would also walk in if it wasnt any door int he keep wouldn't you?
There is no need to ban for this.. maybe a warning.
They walked in, guards atacked them ofc they killt he guards, an alb kill one of them ofc he atack the alb.. wouldn't you???
They did nothing wrong imo.It isn't there fault it wasnt any door at the keep? and they maybe didnt realise what was going on at the time. then they realised something wrong.
however screenshots dowsn't show a shit.
so they not going to be banned. or if they get then I be gladly to ban many MANY of excalibur population. everyone I see inside a keep when mid has it and it isn't a stealther I will take screenshot and ban them.

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Zoldot
abfluid or whatever!?
wtf was bugged with LA?? and savages isn't bugged!?
Necrod were. Why do you think they fixed necros in 2 weeks and it took 1 year for LA balance?
You calling me an idiot? or whoever did, I think ur the idiot here. I just stated the fact that albs abuse as much as mids. They abused to the fullest the necro bug.
But those in that screenie doesn't show NOTHING!!
They could have log in the keep.
But I bilieve they got the door bug so they didnt see any door or something.. and I bilieve 95% of you would also walk in if it wasnt any door int he keep wouldn't you?
There is no need to ban for this.. maybe a warning.
They walked in, guards atacked them ofc they killt he guards, an alb kill one of them ofc he atack the alb.. wouldn't you???
They did nothing wrong imo.It isn't there fault it wasnt any door at the keep? and they maybe didnt realise what was going on at the time. then they realised something wrong.
however screenshots dowsn't show a shit.
so they not going to be banned. or if they get then I be gladly to ban many MANY of excalibur population. everyone I see inside a keep when mid has it and it isn't a stealther I will take screenshot and ban them.

the growthrate of lext axe styles was bugged and was never meant to be as high as it was, the swing rate on savages is meant to be around 50/30/15/5 or so in single/double/tri/quad. It is not working at near this currently and players quad a lot more than they tri, mythic said this is bugged and has been fixed in 1.65, ok? good.

Also the fact still remains that those mids killed guards/archers inside the keep and also rezzed another player by coming through the door again after they had been killed inside, its bug abuse and they should at _least_ get a severe warning.

 

[Vrollo]

Originally posted by -RG-Jaond
Don't ban them

Reset there rp's to 0 and lvl to 1

roflol
I like this option for all there chars though

 

[Gordonax]

Originally posted by Zoldot
abfluid or whatever!?
wtf was bugged with LA?? and savages isn't bugged!?

Savages are NOT working as intended: the rates of quad strikes compared to triple/doubles is out of line with what the developers wanted and saw in testing. Is that a bug? Well kind of... but to be honest I think it's silly to say that savages are "exploiting" this bug.
LA on the other hand wasn't bugged and was working as intended - but obviously Mythic simply didn't test it enough.

 

[Powahhh]

Originally posted by keano2
Everyone says they'll post screenies later but they never do!
Why cant people just wait till they have screenies uploaded befour posting this shit?!

why ppl talking shits in obvious things?
maybe you were with this noob and exploiting the game to high sky?

 

[Garnet]

Originally posted by ab_fluid
fyi, goa fucked up necro's, they also fucked up pre 1.62 zerkers and savages, now if ur gonna ban a necro for using los bug, you have to ban every current savage for using bugged quad rate and every pre 1.62 zerker and shadowblade as they used bugged LA, and the bugs with the old LA and current Savages are a damn sight more widely used than Necro's ever were. So basically ur logic is a pile of shite and you have fuck all idea what ur talking about. Have a nice day.

So it was ok for lets say a necro who manages to get inside a wall and nukes you while you cant target it or kill it? Had a few screenys of necros doing that in the BG

 

[ab_fluid]

Originally posted by Garnet
So it was ok for lets say a necro who manages to get inside a wall and nukes you while you cant target it or kill it? Had a few screenys of necros doing that in the BG

ofc thats bug abuse, it was clearly stated hiding the pet inside an object where it could not be meleed was against the CoC and considered an exploit, however the los bug is a totally different issue, its like on keep defence where pets can nuke thru the walls and stuff