To ppl of midguad

[Xandax]

Re: Re: Re: Re: To ppl of midguad

Originally posted by driwen
yeah thats probably true , but are buff bots now getting more and more or have they always been there? My brother lvl'ed a healer without much fuss, well the usual probs at lair. But other than that no. He dinged 50 2 months ago, i think.
I think there are buffbots out there, but not enough to create a serious problem.

The number of buffbots have definately increased a lot over the last couple of months from what I can see.

Originally posted by Archeon
here i was legging it all over with 2 dudes trying to ram a pole up my ass in obvious trouble, our tanks after their healers then theres this one little moron that decided he was going to have his own private little duel in the middle of this, actually it was kind of comical if you could picture it. I'm running arround with 2 tanks on me, the albi's cleric was running arround with 2 tanks on him trying to slam his ass, the runie was sitting there complaining about my PoI and refusing to nuke and in the middle of all this is some little gimpy warrior trying to take down a friar.

LOL
And let me guess, most of the /g communication at that time was:

HEAL
HEAL HEAL
FFS HEAL

 

[Subbiz]

grrr its midgard!

 

[old.tRoG]

I have had to solo from 37-41 because of buffbots.

Bah!

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

*Runs off to order another account*

 

[woodmansee]

Can I get a rez plz?

 

[Tasans]

Well i'll be damned but thats a thread i never thought i'd see :doh:
Sorry but i dont feel for your problem. Maybe you should try speaking to some who had to solo for the most difficult parts of leveling to see how fun is a class that isnt accepted in groups.
And before someone writes a stupid post, i had the same problems with my healing classes.

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Tasans
<snip>.
And before someone writes a stupid post

too late

So because stealthers have a hard time to get groups it is okay that another class have a hard time now also? A class that, if any, is essentiel for RvR?
Sorry - don't buy it.
So what if class Y has to solo much, what does this have to do with class X?

And btw - I think most stealthers knew that their characters weren't excatly PvE group friendly when they choosed them, and if they didn't well - start some research.

 

[Archeon]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To ppl of midguad

Originally posted by Xandax

LOL
And let me guess, most of the /g communication at that time was:

HEAL
HEAL HEAL
FFS HEAL

How did you guess?


As for the stealther thing, yeah Mythic kinda dropped the ball here. You can't deny that the game has more of an emphesis on group combat, even when your "soloing" with a buffbot your still in some form of group.

Still the main problem is that the game is out, at this stage you can't implement any truely radical changes, incidentally nerf active RA's!

 

[Olgark]

Originally posted by Xandax
too late

So because stealthers have a hard time to get groups it is okay that another class have a hard time now also? A class that, if any, is essentiel for RvR?
Sorry - don't buy it.
So what if class Y has to solo much, what does this have to do with class X?

And btw - I think most stealthers knew that their characters weren't excatly PvE group friendly when they choosed them, and if they didn't well - start some research.

aye maybe some difficulty to level a stealther, but when you hear the healer/shaman or runemaster say and I quote here from a healer in Spind " If that hunter joins our group I am leaving." unquote.
I have often heard that same line over and over again as I leveled up my hunter, and I have also heard it said about Shadowblades as I have leveled up my runemaster in groups.

And I must say that during my time as a stealther class, I have found the best people to be stealthers themselves. The people who have shunned stealthers have made us into soloist and dependant only on ourselves. And so you whine when stealthers group together in RvR and shun your groups. Maybe you should look a little closer to home before you whine about stealther groups in rvr rather than come here and post about it.

Your kind alienate a whole class due to them being stealthers, then there is no wonder that we team up and make stealthing RvR groups.

My attitude towards this post is that of a condescending nature for the sheer audacity that some one has to post it about a healer. You want me to get out the violins then start treating the stealther classes with some respect and let them into your groups.
Another quote from a healer in a RvR group I was in . " I wont heal or rez hunters as they are a waste of power."

 

[Tasans]

Originally posted by Xandax
too late

So because stealthers have a hard time to get groups it is okay that another class have a hard time now also? A class that, if any, is essentiel for RvR?
Sorry - don't buy it.
So what if class Y has to solo much, what does this have to do with class X?

And btw - I think most stealthers knew that their characters weren't excatly PvE group friendly when they choosed them, and if they didn't well - start some research.

The whole thread sounds like a whine:
Waaaaaaa i made a healer i am supposed to be in EVERY group and get ubah xp and make 50 in ubah time.
As you said people know the chars they make have weaknesses. An sb and a hunter dont get groups often, while a healer does.
When an sb and a hunter dont get group, they can still solo. Healers cant solo and depend on groups. Dont tell me every one out there made a healer because they expected they will be spammed with group invitations as soon as they log? Sometimes they wont get a group. Tough luck.

 

[Xandax]

hehehe - sure doing some nice generalization here aren't we.

Healer X said <something>, so all healers are like that.
Stealther Z said <something> so all stealthers are like that.
Sheez.

And btw -incase you can't read my sig. I've played a stealther, soloed him most of the time, has this made me bitter and recentful towards other classes - nope.

Why not break the circle and instead of gloating that other classes can't get groups because "my" class couldn't get a group - then try to work for the better of the realm.
Isn't this why we play a multiplayer game?

 

[Tasans]

Would sure be nice to say to who you are replying

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Tasans
Would sure be nice to say to who you are replying

Actually it is kinda of a general reply to several of the posts in this thread. So consider it a reply to your posts as well.

 

[Xandax]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: To ppl of midguad

Originally posted by Archeon
How did you guess?

<snip>

Well I think most people that have played a healer for any lenght of time have had thoese:

-FFS do your job and heal.
-FFS heal heal
-FFS I will leave and keep exp/RP for myself if you do play my personal healer and forget all other in group.

statements thrown at them

Funny - if I tell a tank to "hit hit hit" or a cave shammy to "DOT, FFS DOT" - they seem to take it personally?

 

[Archeon]

Tell me about it...

Archeon: Being attacked...
Tank: Heal FFS!!!
Caster: Need pom
Archeon: Take aggro then? for the last time caster, i only have poc
Tank: HEAL!!!!
Caster: Fine, but i'm not nuking without a pom
Archeon: Can't, being attacked. Caster? tank? a little help?
Tank: FUCKIN NOOB HEAL ME FFS!!!!!!!
Archeon Was Killed By A Grey Mob
Tank: WHAT! WHY THE HELL DIDN'T YOU SAY YOU WERE UNDER ATTACK!
Caster: Lost poc
Archeon: I did
Tank: FUCKIN HELL, WHATEVER!
Archeon: Can i have a res?
Caster: need poc
Tank: DICKWARD, DO I LOOK LIKE I CAN RES!
Archeon: Your buffbot?
Tank: FFS WHAT KIND OF IDIOT ARE YOU, HE'S AUG SPEC HE CAN'T RES!
Caster: PBT off till i get poc
Archeon: ...Well whatever, i'l probably have to /rel then
Tank: GOOD FUCK OFF FUCKTARD, I CAN SOLO THESE ANYWAY!!!

<5mins later>

Archeon: Thank god i left that group, crafting is so much more fun than being shouted at
Tank sends dude, my buffbot needs a res
you send Umm... good luck with that?
Tank sends come and res him you dick!
/who tank
1. Tank <Morons Anon> Bledmeer Faste
/who Archeon
1. Archeon <Healers Union> Gna Faste
2. Archeon39442 <Morons Anon> Bledmeer Faste
you send not much point really, by the time i get to bled your bot'l have auto-relled
tank sends your on my guilds KoS list
you send you have a KoS list in DAoC?
tank sends of course you dick, what serious guild doesn't
you send i see... well good luck with that
tank sends FUCKTARD!
tank sends TWAT!
tank sends N00B!!!
/ignore tank
Archeon39442 sends FUCKING TWAT!!!!!
/ignore archeon39442
Archeon: Ahhh... so peacful
Tank: Everyone, Archeon is a lamer. Don't group with him
Archeon: how did you get here?
Tank: Had to rel because of you, give me 15g to cover con loss!
Archeon: Seeing as i'm already on your KoS list i don't see why i should bother
Tank: NOOB!!!
Tank Yells ARCHEON 15 4 L4M3R, D0N'T GR0UP W1F H1M!!!
/Tank has challenged you to a duel, type /duel accept or decline
/duel decline
Tank: Fight me wuss
Archeon: Yeah right


:bore:, wha? oh anyway. Yeah, i love it everyone seems to think they know better than the healer how to do things but the second you try to point out that they should be taunting or somthing similar they try to have you kicked from the group

God, why the hell did i roll a shaman after i'd gotten my healer to 50? now i get another 50 levels of heal based abuse, oh well maybe i'l roll a critblade next then i won't be able to get into groups to hear this kind of crap

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by Archeon
<snip>
God, why the hell did i roll a shaman after i'd gotten my healer to 50? now i get another 50 levels of heal based abuse, oh well maybe i'l roll a critblade next then i won't be able to get into groups to hear this kind of crap

Acutally after playing a tank and SB to 50 and a healer to 41(atm) I will say that it is by far easiest abuse wise to be a stealther.

For as you say, we seldom get groups and thus don't have to listen to such things.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

I Didn't rlly notise a difference between my SB and healer in terms of lvling difficulty, getting groups etc.


my SM is having more trouble.. "WTF your not specced supp?!"

 

[hellraisermk2]

Originally posted by Olgark
snip

Stealthers are missing a cruicial difference between a solo healer and a solo stealther; a solo healer has trouble soloing a blue whereas a stealther can happily solo yellow cons/ higher with no problems at all.

It takes a group specced healer a long time (1-2 minutes) to down a blue con. An aug specced healer has slightly less difficulty, but it's still allot slower than any stealther has.

-------

As a side point, allot of people don't mind grouping stealthers, plus, as others have said, the pitfalls of choosing to level a stealther are clear on creation. You don't roll a stealther expecting to have lots of /sends asking you to group.

A stealther can get by without a group. Yes it's slower, bu they can get by. A healer who can't find a group is pretty much useless.

(Yes, I have a 40+ healer and a 23 SB)

 

[kxn]

*sigh* MIDGARD (Midgård) not midguad

 

[Neomancer]

If you can't find a grp, log an alt ^^

I have a 50 healer, and healers are always needed.....
Maybe the healer was soloing the wrong place or 2lame2grp

 

[MiMeN]

Originally posted by Olgark
Another quote from a healer in a RvR group I was in . " I wont heal or rez hunters as they are a waste of power."

Name him so i can ignore his ass when he is getting pasted.


MiMeN

 

[Garnet]

Originally posted by MiMeN
Name him so i can ignore his ass when he is getting pasted.


MiMeN

I Agreee. People like them should be shot.

 

[k9awya]

Originally posted by Garnet
I Agreee. People like them should be shot.

agree garnet needs to be stabbed

 

[Runolaz]

Just wanted to add my 2C here.

First I never imagined that I would see Healer's having trouble finding groups. Anyway the road to 50 is, unless your a powergamer a long road regardless of class. I used 36 days on my SB, mostly solo without buffbot, cuz I'm not the person running arround begging for grp's. Now I have a buffbott to lvl my alt's, also mainly cuz I don't like going arround begging for grp's.

After lvling my SB to 50 I have lost all pitty when it comes to people sobbing over lvling going too slow. I soloed 8 hours strait the last 2.5 bubbs or so, cuz I couldn't be arsed to w8 for grp's in lair. And to be hounest I don't buy Healer's that putt a little effort in it would have trouble finding grp's. I have Healer alt and even when I'm in FG I get msg from peeps wanting me to join them (Pac/Mend low lvl though).

When it comes to you Nattrun and your healer Unnur, you know that you left FoM even though there are TOO FEW healers in your range of lvl in FoM. Have you asked even one of them for grp's? Last nigth I went out to farm for BoI (got my 4th now) I did one msg on /gu that I could take one FoM with me for some PWL. It took 2-sec and I had lvl 34 SM inc and more ppl wanted to join, but I could only support one tagging along. Anyway my point is that I KNOW there is a lot of peeps in at least FoM arround your lvl that has problems building grp's cuz lac of healer/shamen, thus I really don't buy your whining over lac of grp's.

EDIT: I'm sure the SM IF he had the choise to make a grp arround his lvl he would rather do that than be my pullbott. Anyway we had fun he dinged well over 35 and I got a BoI

I'm sry for telling you this way Nattrun, but I felt it was needed. You know I like you as a person, but still I do think you have issues with your attitude/patience.

 

[Nattrún]

Runolaz...

First of all, I'm not 'sobbing over leveling going too slow', I'm noting that healers, in general, are having more and more trouble finding groups when exping. There is a difference.

And Unnur left FoM over a quarrel with one of its members, and struck out to make a guild of her own, hence I've felt hesitant to ask FoMers for groups in general - it would simply feel uncomfortable. And again, I've mentioned on several occasions that it's not just me having trouble finding groups, it's healers as a class.

And anyway, I've taken Nattrun out as well now, so you don't have to put up with my 'whining' anymore. This time it's final.

 

[aavarn]

Never ever thought I would see a post like this - I rarely refuse a healer a group even if I have 2 already (nice to have backup for when one logs)

I agree, buffbots are definitely having a massive detrimental impact on the game - there is no question of this. Shamans camp and destroy entire spawns (AE disease) which prevents entire groups from levelling just so their chosen Buffee can level fast. In addition, a shammy buffer/healer/rooter outside the group means the xp is divided by 1 less person - so some people are using them as alternatives to in-group healers/shammies. They are also anathema to the spirit of a game that is about meeting and playing with other people.

What I have found mostly though is that buffbots destroy XP areas rather than the grouping as such - buffbots find it much harder to get included within groups than healers in my experience. When people stop jerking themselves off over end regen and the shaman population balances, I think we will see more healers again and better demand for healers.

I recently started a Supp SM with a friend - we often struggle to get healers in groups, but need them so badly as we chew through mana. We are currently in Thidranki, but when levelling up to there we took healers 6 levels lower than us simply because there were 2/3 on /who in our wide and approximate level.


My suggestions would be these:
1) As a healer always make sure /ANON is OFF - people cant find you for groups if you aren't on /who. You will have to get used to being mr bad guy and refusing Rezz requests.
2) Target SMs and BDs - we love mana regen, stun and mezz (and being healed)
3) [High level] healers stop giving PoMs away to ANYONE if there are other healers ungrouped. Hard to tell this so just stop handing them out unless they can tell you that they can't find a healer their level to group with.
4) DO NOT GIVE GROUPS YOUR POM UNLESS THEY GROUP WITH YOU. If they want your abilities they should reward you with sharing XP - I think its time to tell people who just want you for your buffs and expect to get them for nothing in return to get knotted.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Nattrún
Runolaz...

First of all, I'm not 'sobbing over leveling going too slow', I'm noting that healers, in general, are having more and more trouble finding groups when exping. There is a difference.

Sobbing migth be the wrong word, but still you use strong language underlining your case. Having difficulties finding grp isn't a healer only issue, all classes have that challenge, and thats something even you as a healer have to deal with. I think it's a bit too easy to blame buffbotts for not getting grp's with your healer. The most significant reason for pll having a harder time finding grp's now is cuz the game has been out for over a year, and a greater part of the population are not in PvE (lvling), but rather doing other things.

Originally posted by Nattrún

And Unnur left FoM over a quarrel with one of its members, and struck out to make a guild of her own, hence I've felt hesitant to ask FoMers for groups in general - it would simply feel uncomfortable.

FYI the char in question, as fare as I can remember sold his account. Again I like you, but your stubborness is sometimes over the topp...if you know what i mean

Originally posted by Nattrún

And again, I've mentioned on several occasions that it's not just me having trouble finding groups, it's healers as a class.

It's simple...do a /who fellow or even ask me if some lvl 35-40 FoM wanna make a PvE grp. You didn't try it, or did anyone else, thus I fail to see Healers having trouble finding a grp. On any given day I don't think you would have trouble finding 1-4 FoM at your lvl wanting to grp. So at least I think you need to try that out before stating that it's so hard finding grp's for healers. Try a Rogue to lvl 50 then come back and tell me about how hard it is to find grp's

Originally posted by Nattrún

And anyway, I've taken Nattrun out as well now, so you don't have to put up with my 'whining' anymore. This time it's final.

I think it's sad that you left FoM every time you did, but anyway you know we have rules for jumping in and out. My point, and why I wrote on this thread is that IMHO Healers have nothing to complain about, at least not you, cuz you could easily have done something about it.

 

[Derianna]

Well.

Few words from me.
I was lvling my healer more than year agro from now.
And i must say "omg u are a healer, u always have group" days passed away. Why so?

1. Reason one- buff bots.
Im playing ocasionaly my alts and i can say buffbots are DESTROYING groupping. Go to spindel, go to Varulv, places which should be 20-40 lvvling grounds. You will se lots of soloers with buffbot stack on them. Most of soloers are 50s farming/pling alts.

2. Reason two- Lvl 50s in low exp areas
With their buffbots they having no respect to lowbie groups claiming places, they just running arround killing everything. When i was exping at spindel with healer there was rule to ask before u will kill mob in place someone other is exping. Not there is no rules. Low lvl CANT exp if there is no mob arround...

I remember when i had ALWAYS group as fast as i logged ingame.
I remember the time where grouping was a way of exping.
Now i see mostly PLing and buffboting- and a hudge wave of nobs who dont know how to use their skills becouse they simply didnt have to use it.........

As a healer i must say that im missing the past....... :/

Regards,
Deri

 

[Runolaz]

Derianna the difference is huge if you compare 1 year ago to now. A year ago there was way more PvE in general going on.

If it hadn't been for buffbots then I think you would have a lot less ppl making alt's. Is that good or bad, I don't know, but I think it's up to everybody to decide what they want out of the game.

Some notes:

1) Why would a guy with a buffbott camp a camping spot for grp's? Everybody I know that uses one, tend to go on remote places where they can be left alone. The main reason why you se less grp's i Varulvhamn and Spindel is cuz there is less ppl Xping in total.

2) You will find fu¤ktards all over the place, and respect for camped spots has nothing to do with buffbots.

Unless you have a comitted PBAE grp, BuffBott is the fastest way to lvl, at least to 40. Most ppl that have a BuffBott usually have a lvl 50 already too, and want to lvl the alt up fast. Can you blame them? During my BuffBott-lvling I have grped up on many occations, given away buffs, heals and rezzed.

I can agree that the sad part is all the new peeps starting to play that really doesn't get into it, cuz most ppl are 6-12 mnd's a head on them. Having a main at lvl 50, and making an alt is not the same as starting all over. Many of the ppl I played with my alts is now out of reach for me to play with, cuz alt's are only played occationatly and mains more or less all the time up to dinging 50, thus building up a freindslist on an alt is a waist, unless your gonna play that char all the time like you did with your main.

As an exampel I lvled my skald a couple a weeks ago from lvl 14-24 together with a fine chap from Heart & Soul (+ one more from FoM), but now I have stopped my Skald and we haven't played since. If you have played this game for over/close to a year, then I think that there is a limit on how many relationships you can build ingame...and to me that is mabye the most omportant part of grping.

As to healers lvl 35-42 IF you are strugling to find grp's please contact some of the guys/girls curently Xping in FoM, cuz too me it always seems that we are short on Healers for making steady grp's, but I don't wanna hear "sry, don't want a Rogue" etc...

 

[Nattrún]

Congratulations Runolaz, you just made me decide not to renew my subscription.

Feel proud.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Nattrún
Congratulations Runolaz, you just made me decide not to renew my subscription.

Feel proud.

You have been quiting / starting how many times? Not to mention deleting. As I see it you have had it going for a long time.

We have ppl that struggle to find Healers to make grp's lvl 35-43 in FoM for PvE one regulare basis...You should know that...yet you come here and moan about not finding ppl to play with your Healer.

If you want to blame me for not renewing your subs, then blame me if it makes you feel any better.