to NP guys

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by sorusi
and w/o friar/minstrel you cant rvr

Hmmm so is this you saying that you need certain classes to be able to rvr effectively on alb, and that without them you're screwed? Or am I misreading it? Just curious...

 

[llixeraxu]

The fact that people even made this thread is testement to how good they are at DAoC..

Why be angry about it? There good lets congratulate achievments rather than try and knock people down.

 

[old.Xanthian]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Hmmm so is this you saying that you need certain classes to be able to rvr effectively on alb, and that without them you're screwed? Or am I misreading it? Just curious...

Hes saying Excal Albs are stupid and goto emain with whatever they can invite, rather than creating groups that are balanced with the right tools (pbt, heals, slambots, buffs, resists, unique ras)
Hibs wont rvr without Warden,Bard,Druid..
Mids wont rvr without Healer, Shammy
Albs should be the same, but no..


Anyway, its not hard to do well on US servers, they aint as good as us Europeans imo (well some of us)

 

[old.Mitsu]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Hmmm so is this you saying that you need certain classes to be able to rvr effectively on alb, and that without them you're screwed? Or am I misreading it? Just curious...

Of course you do! :wall:

 

[Repent Reloaded]

i have been reading what you guys say here about albion players and so on . i have to ask why NP guild aint in albion just hib and mid side is that cos you guys are so poor players that you need uber skills to play the game .

lmao, thats the most pathetic flame ever, stfu m8 and go home.

so ur saying they r poor players but they have uber skills ?

just stfu please be4 someone hurts u.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Xanthian
Hes saying Excal Albs are stupid and goto emain with whatever they can invite, rather than creating groups that are balanced with the right tools (pbt, heals, slambots, buffs, resists, unique ras)
Hibs wont rvr without Warden,Bard,Druid..
Mids wont rvr without Healer, Shammy
Albs should be the same, but no..


Anyway, its not hard to do well on US servers, they aint as good as us Europeans imo (well some of us)

I would say you can rvr without those mentioned classes from each realm, but you shouldnt whine about getting your ass kicked if you do it

Thats the real problem with alb/excal...they seem to think that because their pickup group without cleric and minstrel cant kill Red Guards wellbalanced group or VGN´s wellbalanced group, or any wellbalanced group, the albs are gimped.

 

[Pikabu]

Originally posted by iilimato
i have been reading what you guys say here about albion players and so on . i have to ask why NP guild aint in albion just hib and mid side is that cos you guys are so poor players that you need uber skills to play the game .

whine!

 

[agreiloth]

Originally posted by parzi
cut the freakin whine albs and go look on dartmoor alb for example...
guess who whines there ... its mids whining bout bof and sos coz they get pwned by some WELL PLAYED alb grps

What he said... stop whining about an underpowered realm... if dartmoor alb can do it so can you imo.....

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Subbiz

/who emain was often 120+ albs :\

kinda like excal then

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by sorusi
lagg...

farming imo

fyi you can actually delete the posts, but this also nerfs your number of posts!

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
all those poor excal albs gimps roll overpowered hib or mid classes on prydwen and ull get surpised by getting pwned by good alb grps(fg vs fg )

they should roll in hib, or else they can hide in the mid zerg.

as hib is severly underpopulated on prydwen i don't think they can zerg much?

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Hmmm so is this you saying that you need certain classes to be able to rvr effectively on alb, and that without them you're screwed? Or am I misreading it? Just curious...

you need certain classes i n every realms to make a good group fyi...

 

[Ensceptifica]

Originally posted by llixeraxu
The fact that people even made this thread is testement to how good they are at DAoC..

Why be angry about it? There good lets congratulate achievments rather than try and knock people down.

Agree. Some people have the strange need to feel unhappy and angry about everything, and the even stranger need to convince others that they should feel the same way.

To the poster: NP are good players. They have great teamwork. Sure they occasionally have some adds, sure sometimes they win coz you're group is gimped or resting or LD or whatever, sometimes they stick around at a mg, they use the fotm classes to their best advantage... but so does everybody else. You don't see everybody else coming out victorious half as often as they do though. You could show em a little respect for it instead of giving in to fits of jealousy. Or better yet: try to kill em ingame instead of boring them and us with whines on a forum.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by Gahldir
you need certain classes i n every realms to make a good group fyi...

Bingo! Now imagine if the classes you really need to make a balanced group are few and far between... I'd really love to have some of these people who say all albs are crap players come stand at atk one evening and see what a pain in the ass it is to get the basic minstrel, cleric, sorc and theurg in the same group. Then you might just begin to understand the problem, instead of this "all alb players are shite" attitude. And don't compare prydwen to excal - for one thing many excal players who have chars on pryd go there with their friends and make pre-set balanced groups. Then we have the old bof / sos argument. Just as hibs rightly point out that gp and baod is only up once every 30 minutes, same with bof/sos (unless you hit the jackpot and have 2 clerics in the group).

I would never deny that in theory alb has the classes to compete - the reality of actually getting the chars together with all the necessary abilities is very different. Those who don't appreciate this just show their ignorance of the excalibur server. Then again, it's easier to just repeat the playground mantra of "All albs are shite" whilst covering your eyes and ears to the reality.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by old.Mitsu
Of course you do! :wall:

Guess the irony was wasted on you.

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
blah blah blah

then dont whine that albs are gimped. whine on the other albs to roll more clerics/sorcs/theurgs/mincers whatever.

or better yet, roll one yourself

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by vintervargen
then dont whine that albs are gimped. whine on the other albs to roll more clerics/sorcs/theurgs/mincers whatever.

or better yet, roll one yourself

Muppet, read the post. I specifically don't whine that albs are gimped. In fact I state that I would never deny that in theory we have the classes to compete. I just point out the myth that getting a balanced (and therefore decent) rvr group is easy in Albion, and this is the cause of many of the problems we have. As for telling other people what class to play, sorry but I'm not one of these arrogant dicks that tells others how they should spend the game time they have paid for...

Roll one myself? You really don't want to see me trying to play a caster I have this condition that makes me want to whack healers and elves

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Bingo! Now imagine if the classes you really need to make a balanced group are few and far between... I'd really love to have some of these people who say all albs are crap players come stand at atk one evening and see what a pain in the ass it is to get the basic minstrel, cleric, sorc and theurg in the same group. Then you might just begin to understand the problem, instead of this "all alb players are shite" attitude. And don't compare prydwen to excal - for one thing many excal players who have chars on pryd go there with their friends and make pre-set balanced groups. Then we have the old bof / sos argument. Just as hibs rightly point out that gp and baod is only up once every 30 minutes, same with bof/sos (unless you hit the jackpot and have 2 clerics in the group).

I would never deny that in theory alb has the classes to compete - the reality of actually getting the chars together with all the necessary abilities is very different. Those who don't appreciate this just show their ignorance of the excalibur server. Then again, it's easier to just repeat the playground mantra of "All albs are shite" whilst covering your eyes and ears to the reality.

exacly what is the point youu are trying to make? That an albgroup that doesn't have what it needs to be a good group can't compete with the hib/mid groups that do? If so, I'll enlight you that a hib/mid group that doesn't have what is needed to be a good group can't compete with groups with a good setup from enemyrealms aswell.

Well, maybe they can outskill a badly played but wellbalanced group. But that would go for albs aswell.

And don't give me the shit that Doac doesn't have any skill. If it isn't skill that makes for example NP or DH so much better then equally looking groups, then what is it?

Oh, and why doesn't Prydwen count? Doesn't excalppl roll what is needed for guildgroups in RvR on excal? If you really realy want good RvR with 1FG, then you should go with a wellbalanced group consisting of friends/guildies so you can play rather regulary. And if you don't have the classes that is needed nothing on either pryd or excal stops you from actually roll them.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Bingo! Now imagine if the classes you really need to make a balanced group are few and far between... I'd really love to have some of these people who say all albs are crap players come stand at atk one evening and see what a pain in the ass it is to get the basic minstrel, cleric, sorc and theurg in the same group. Then you might just begin to understand the problem, instead of this "all alb players are shite" attitude. And don't compare prydwen to excal - for one thing many excal players who have chars on pryd go there with their friends and make pre-set balanced groups. Then we have the old bof / sos argument. Just as hibs rightly point out that gp and baod is only up once every 30 minutes, same with bof/sos (unless you hit the jackpot and have 2 clerics in the group).

I would never deny that in theory alb has the classes to compete - the reality of actually getting the chars together with all the necessary abilities is very different. Those who don't appreciate this just show their ignorance of the excalibur server. Then again, it's easier to just repeat the playground mantra of "All albs are shite" whilst covering your eyes and ears to the reality.

Do you think mtk is full of random shammys/healers who is looking for groups? No. You get kicked by NP, RG, or another balanced group, cause they are balanced. Why are they balanced? Cause they run as a guildgroup. I can guarantee you it aint easy to find healers and shammys for random groups in Midgard, aswell as I can understand if it is hard to find minstrels and sorcerers in Albion. But thats life for random groups.

If you take 11 average soccerplayers from anywhere, and put them up against a team with same level on the players, but that are a team, with the needed players, the structure, and all that, ofc the random team should lose. Even if they individually is just as good as the other team.

Pretty funny that alot of albs say "a balanced alb-group can compete with a balanced group from hib or mid". Isnt that balance, then wtf is?

 

[old.m0000]

Originally posted by iilimato
i have been reading what you guys say here about albion players and so on . i have to ask why NP guild aint in albion just hib and mid side is that cos you guys are so poor players that you need uber skills to play the game .

they were in alb on MLF but left shortly after finding it too difficult compared to mid/hib

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Muppet, read the post. I specifically don't whine that albs are gimped. In fact I state that I would never deny that in theory we have the classes to compete. I just point out the myth that getting a balanced (and therefore decent) rvr group is easy in Albion, and this is the cause of many of the problems we have. As for telling other people what class to play, sorry but I'm not one of these arrogant dicks that tells others how they should spend the game time they have paid for...

Roll one myself? You really don't want to see me trying to play a caster I have this condition that makes me want to whack healers and elves

well. kinda said it in my previos post but.. if your guild/whatever you play with regulary lack surtain classes then you(you yourself + friends/whatever) should roll what is needed. if you can't do this sacrifice(spelling?) then you(you yourself + friends/whatever) just gotta live with it. This thing goes for all 3 realms.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by Gahldir
well. kinda said it in my previos post but.. if your guild/whatever you play with regulary lack surtain classes then you(you yourself + friends/whatever) should roll what is needed. if you can't do this sacrifice(spelling?) then you(you yourself + friends/whatever) just gotta live with it. This thing goes for all 3 realms.

No use even trying. Balance to albs will be when any random alb-group in 50% of the encounters can beat high RR, wellbalanced mid/hib groups, that played togheter alot and have good teamplay.

Until then, albs are gimped.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by noaim
No use even trying. Balance to albs will be when any random alb-group in 50% of the encounters can beat high RR, wellbalanced mid/hib groups, that played togheter alot and have good teamplay.

Until then, albs are gimped.

sad but prolly true scenario on excal, yes

 

[Runolaz]

Re: Re: to NP guys

Originally posted by old.m0000
they were in alb on MLF but left shortly after finding it too difficult compared to mid/hib

IMHO it should be needless to say that a guild cannot play on 3 servers at the same time. I think they fell back to Excal/Pryd quz they lacked the peeps to play. I think if they all left for MLF and stayed they would be pwning just as musch as they do here on Excal.

Some of these guys RvR 24/7, always in guild grp, and the guild has 150mill+ RP. Experiance/skills/balanced grp's is what makes NP hard to take. Same goes for VNG/LA or any hardcore RvR-guild-> skilled peeps, and when a randome grp meets them they get neutralized. A simple fact and IMHO just the way it should be.

 

[sorusi]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Hmmm so is this you saying that you need certain classes to be able to rvr effectively on alb, and that without them you're screwed? Or am I misreading it? Just curious...

yes its same in the other realms, w/o certan classes your fucked against a good opponent, sure randoms go down, but thats not my, or my guildies aim

 

[Belomar]

Re: Re: Re: to NP guys

Originally posted by Runolaz
IMHO it should be needless to say that a guild cannot play on 3 servers at the same time. I think they fell back to Excal/Pryd quz they lacked the peeps to play. I think if they all left for MLF and stayed they would be pwning just as musch as they do here on Excal.

This still remains to be proven, and that is why NP's initial goal with the MLF experiment that "we'll show em Albs they are not gimped" won't fly. One might ask why they left MLF? Sure, there were enemy zergs and all that, but don't we have that on Excalibur too? No, NP's little sojourn on MLF proves nothing, but rather reinforces the fact that Albion, if not gimped, received the short end of the stick when it came to classes and abilities.

 

[vintervargen]

1) too many classes. some ppl roll classes that isnt needed in the perfect alb grp. without the perfect alb grp it is hard to beat perfect hib/mid grps.

2) 3 stealther classes (read solo classes), of which one is needed in the perfect alb grp. the fact that a mincer solo's very good gimps albs performance in rvr, as in waiting longer for a grpable mincer.

this is all that needs to be said. now stfu imho

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by vintervargen
1) too many classes. some ppl roll classes that isnt needed in the perfect alb grp. without the perfect alb grp it is hard to beat perfect hib/mid grps.

hum, this kinda goes for all 3 realms since all realms have gimpclasses who don't fit into the perfect group

 

[vintervargen]

Originally posted by Gahldir
hum, this kinda goes for all 3 realms since all realms have gimpclasses who don't fit into the perfect group

okok i admit animists are teh sook, but not many roll them so nm :>

 

[tildson]

We went Alb MLF because we all wanted to play alb! Do you honestly think we went there just to prove that we could be successful as Alb too? Do you think we play this game because of getting credits on BW? If so, then neither of us would play this game. We left Alb MLF due to their lousy prime-time hours, japanese zerg was compared to alb/exc. And also some didnt enjoy their classes, and the point of playing a game is to HAVE FUN!

Now, when will you realize that it is HIBERNIA who has the worse optimal fullgroup suited for RvR? Give us a third server on EU and NP will go Alb. Why dont you do us all a favour and read the MLF-boards dated some months ago and see what the others actually thought of us? Or better, ask them yourselves instead of making lousy and poor statements! The only problem is those who cant realize that Alb isnt that shabby they actually used to be after the smite-nerf and when Hib got ae-insta. I have played and lvld 3 lvl50's in Alb, and i doubt i did it just to be "uber" - i did it because i enjoy albion and it's realm. It has a beautiful landscape and realm-structure, its not as grey as Mid and not as simple and plain as Hib. It actually has some character compared to the other realms.

My few cents, now proceed flaming as usual. Give Cgr something to read at work instead of VN-boards