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AbPoon

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Kirennia i'll tell you what good RA's us Middys have.








Once Mythic give us some.
 
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kinadold

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In zergs GP and insta ae mezz worth little.

In fg vs fg they own.

Yes albs get Bof, but hibs get 6 sec pbt on a 2 specpoints pr lv tank. I would rather face Bof than all that pbt.

Hibs :

Insta ae mezz
GP
Stun on all nukers
Easy access to 6 sec pbt
Best heavy tank class
Fastest Pbaoe
Nuking pets with snare

Albs :

QC mezz
Bof
Root on all nuker, plz remeber root is broken on damage.
No pbt, or at best 10 sec
Decent heavy tank, but with no specials
Slowest Pbaoe
Melee pets

The list goes on and on.

Everyone knows what is good in rvr, no need to discuss it further.
 
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Wuren

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Originally posted by Rhun
Group Purge does makes a significant difference and gives an unfair advantage during combat, no question. And even more so when you have 4 Druids at your disposal as Llaw Arian have.

Err? We have 5 total druids in guild, 2 active so get your facts straight.

GP is very powerful when used right, no question about that. But how often do we use it? Not very much, because:

1) How often do we get mezzed? Hardly ever since we attack 90 % of the times (and no, our bards do not use insta-mezz as first option)
2) Most of us are rr6 or higher and have self purge
3) Resists make some shitty mezzes last like 10 seconds
4) Mjollnir
 
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kinadold

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1) How often do we get mezzed? Hardly ever since we attack 90 % of the times (and no, our bards do not use insta-mezz as first option

That is totally bullshit.

The only reason u dare attack albs all the time is because u have
faster cc and gp when it goes wrong. I often seen ur guild play when im hidden, and ur nothing special. GP, insta mezz, pbt on a class who should not have 2 spec points and stun on nukers is what its about.

Most albs know how to rvr, but its damn hard to do when ur mezzed 90 % of ur rvr career. Do remeber single purge is
on a 30 min timer too.

I remeber 1 fight in odins where 4 of us killed 14 lv 50 hibs.
How we do it ? Well we had qc mezz back then, and their barde did not. It aint hard to kill 14 hibs 1 by 1 who could not move.
 
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gunner440

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Originally posted by AbPoon
Kirennia i'll tell you what good RA's us Middys have.








Once Mythic give us some.


poon u guys have

Excited Frenzy Active 30 min. 6 0 0 0 0 N/A N/A Your pet attacks at 50% faster than normal for 30 seconds.

ubah
 
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Wuren

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Point out one of our bards who use insta aoe when charging 2 fg albs camping mmg.

And no, its not the baseline 9 sec stuns that enable us to wipe alb zergs, its called pbae ;)
 
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Wuren

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Originally posted by lofff
I think curemezz and selfpurge are only hib-abbilities too :D And they are included in GP rant or some thing...

<alb tank hits mezzed hib>

<hib starts moving>

<alb tank yells FOOK OVERPAWERED GP!!2!!1">

This pretty much sums it up
 
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kinadold

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I told u before, only reason u think its balanced is because it makes u feel uber when u win.

I know how good or bad ur bards play, since i still play the game.
Im not some still noob rr8 tank who is afk until barde says, i mezzed some plz kill them.

Im noot the noob tank called Tankster who i kited to death at amg today. U know him btw ?
 
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fenikske

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http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/lastweekrank.php?PHPSESSID=c9710806ab5bf45db1352b79ac5402d2

http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/characterrank.php

enough said if you look at this, there is no way that any alb or mid can make 512k a week without being online 24 / 24 and even then .... just look at the top 10 and before you try come up with :
OW no we aren't overpowered it just your imagination ...
or
BLAME yourselves you have no tactics at all ...
or
ALBs are just plain dumb ....

Face it the game just went totally unbalanced when the RA cames out, maybe in the past alb was "better" because we simply had more players but now that the amount is more or less balanced the RAS screwed up everything....

http://www.duskwave.com/daoc/generalstats.php

as proof that we don't have more look at the last link : you see a huge difference at the RR0 what means alot of alts but no superiour amount of peeple playing albs

last fact : in one of my last fights today we died with SOS and BOF up to an hib party who also used their RA's so dont say that gp < BOF + SOS because it isn't (and no we weren't playing badly)

the fact is doh that notthing real will happen to solve it just because we mention/moan/whine about it.
 
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Wuren

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Hey im the first one to agree that albion is gimped, however the point was that you overrate GP. And yes I know Tankster since she is in my guild.
 
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kinadold

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Wuren im sure u have newer faced 3 sec pbt, since albs dont have.

Would be fun to see how many you would kill, if paladins got it
in chant line or maybe give theurs 2 spec pr lv. It is simply not fun
to shoot/hit some hib 20 times before u do damage. U might
go for wardens first, but that would leave nukers free.

With the current abilities albs cannot win fg vs fg at even terms.
Group purge is just the top of the iceberg.

Lets take another exampel, pbaoe. Its all about running close to a enemy group and nuke as fast as posibel. Then look at casting
speed of a ice specced wizzard and an enchanter. After that look
at the utilities each class get. Pretty much sums it up.

Yes albs can win in zerg vs zerg, but many albs prefer to play
in groups with their friends away from the zerg. And even
in a well composed group with well specced chars, u get
beaten. Even if u mezz hibs first, all tanks guard caster, slam .......

Fg vs fg simply is getting less and less fun for albs each day, since we lose too often.
 
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fenikske

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Originally posted by Wuren
Hey im the first one to agree that albion is gimped, however the point was that you overrate GP. And yes I know Tankster since she is in my guild.
I don't think that GP overpowers ya its the combo with insta mezz that mostly makes us ussless.
As i cleric i get rooted / mezzed / snared / (dotted) all at once (i have to remmeber to take a picture of it sometime :p ) or an anoying pet to hug my leg for then got slammed by 2 - 3 tanks or 1 of ya casterthingies :p (i would do the same if i were in your position). Just a pitty that all realms don't have more or less the same stuff, i think that it will make the game a bit more pleasant to play ..
 
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hotrat

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Lets take another exampel, pbaoe. Its all about running close to a enemy group and nuke as fast as posibel. Then look at casting
speed of a ice specced wizzard and an enchanter. After that look
at the utilities each class get. Pretty much sums it up.
Not to mention that cold damage sux, eveyone pretty much has it capped, although with SC coming most people will have all magic resists capped. Comparing chanter to a ice wizz makes you think they are overpowered, imo after the pet los fix they are not, its simply the ice wiz who is very gimped :( maybe put a 50% heat debuff in the ice line, nah that would be silly :p
 
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old.Tzeentch

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Originally posted by kinadold
Wuren im sure u have newer faced 3 sec pbt, since albs dont have.

Would be fun to see how many you would kill, if paladins got it
in chant line or maybe give theurs 2 spec pr lv. It is simply not fun
to shoot/hit some hib 20 times before u do damage. U might
go for wardens first, but that would leave nukers free.

With the current abilities albs cannot win fg vs fg at even terms.
Group purge is just the top of the iceberg.

Lets take another exampel, pbaoe. Its all about running close to a enemy group and nuke as fast as posibel. Then look at casting
speed of a ice specced wizzard and an enchanter. After that look
at the utilities each class get. Pretty much sums it up.

Yes albs can win in zerg vs zerg, but many albs prefer to play
in groups with their friends away from the zerg. And even
in a well composed group with well specced chars, u get
beaten. Even if u mezz hibs first, all tanks guard caster, slam .......

Fg vs fg simply is getting less and less fun for albs each day, since we lose too often.

heh
you should see our fights with kallistor+co..

3x pbt RMs, single target nukers, vs our single pbt, pbae nukers..

very very interesting fights..
you know what they do?

nearsight ALL casters, bards, druids
spread out, since they are single target nuker heavy, we are ae heavy
know how hard it is to stop the pbt on those guys?

in fights like those, GP doesnt matter at all.. it's all about who can hold their head together and not panic.

and yes, GP is uber :)
but to say its the only reason we win is complete and utter crap
 
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Aussie-

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let's switch accounts for 1 day
hibs choose 8 alb chars nomatter who.
give us the standard hib group max r4. :hat:
 
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missfinland

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I attempt to never use insta mez's. Just because I think they suck. Only in Emergencys.
GP - Its never up when I want it to be and hardly ever needed... Often I just purge, mez and cure my group. Simple.

I recommend you get some CC spec classes... I didnt spec my bard to do damage... I specced it to help out the realm.

And as was said here, spec your chars for groups and not solo or something and you might find your realm to be quite good. I remember some fights we had with FC in the early days that were freaking hard. They won some we won some, awesome fights. GoL .... they just sat down for us ^_^
 
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censi

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FGvFG
HIB=MID>ALB (+/- 10%)

RealmVRealm
Alb Population > Hib = Mid (+/- 10%)

Just stick to zergging.... its the cross you bear for being Mythics lovechild....
 
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hotrat

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I recommend you get some CC spec classes... I didnt spec my bard to do damage... I specced it to help out the realm.
Thats the problem for alb
Bard specced to do damage = gimped
Healer specced to do damage = gimped
Sorc specced to do damage = as good as a theurgist
Sorc specced to mezz = mostly gimped - they cant heal or play end song or give out power regen buffs, they get a pet w00t.
 
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vindicat0r

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Censi's Post
FGvFG
HIB=MID>ALB (+/- 10%)

RealmVRealm
Alb Population > Hib = Mid (+/- 10%)

Just stick to zergging.... its the cross you bear for being Mythics lovechild....


So you dont like us to zerg but you think we should stick to it anyway and alb is mythics love child !!?! . If you define that word as to mean that we have are group ablities spread out and nerfd classes then make me a bastard please. hib = Mythics dirty mistress who get all teh funneh! :D

The sad thing is hibs know ther overpowered and simply wont admit it < most > because if they did ther might be a change for balance in the realms. What is it with LA now , they leave DL each day to go xp , oh sorry I mean RvR ;) , saying they dont zerg, we all zerg yes but come on ffs, yet still can manage to muster 5 fg at 2 am or even 3 am to zerg everything in sight. I know you dont bring 5 fg from your guild but you bring 2 fg < + all these extra bards> and then the other hibs smell the rp's wreaking off you and follow. LA answer to a problem is to throw a bard at it until the problem goes away or gets mezzd :D .

As for GP its not uber but you give everybody in your group 2 purge's < depending if they have purge ofc> Thats 2 "get out of jail free cards" . There is a sterotype that all albs are dumb and just like to get farmed 1 by 1, bs. There are alot of very skilld players in alb but since we have a higher pop, mostly rr0 wow , we also have alot more n00bs/ aholes , my point is skill does not defeat these players its a combination of your ablities as a realm. No 1 RA can make 1 realm uber , thats stupid.

I guess hibs will continue farming everything in sight until ther RR10 and then decide maybe its time to even things up or start bringing ther alts in grp , they dont need 8 ppl to beat a fg alb/mid, to pl ther rp's :D
 
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<Harle>

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Originally posted by kinadold


Yes albs get Bof, but hibs get 6 sec pbt on a 2 specpoints pr lv tank. I would rather face Bof than all that pbt.


OMG! Am I the only warden who only got 1.5 specpoints per lvl ? Someone hand me that rightnow, i should have 2x spec according to kinadold, and i WANT IT NOW :D

Always fun to see people discussing who obviously have no clue at all ;)
 
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Arthwyr

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hib has gp, alb has bof.
Midgard lacks an uber group ra, give gp

Go and learn how to use your INSTA aeo stun, castable stun, INSTA aoe mezz and castable aoe mezz on your NON cloth wearing class. And then tell me what uber RA you need again.
BoF is damn useless if stand there stunned with 5 tanks beating up on a cloth guy.
 
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Novamir

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well wf and treniel = pretentious bigmouths, but then again so am i ;p

aren't we what makes the game more amusing? :kiss2:
 
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Kallio

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To be honest...

What I´ve noticed from fighting LA is this:

1)the zerg panics
2)Everyone goes for Wuren (yes this is very true)
3)People stay very close to each other
4)Bard(s) are/is left alone

Since many people here have played daoc quite a lot you can do couple plusses and guess what happens. You can´t say that LA guys don´t know how to play, they do. And it´s not only because GP ;) having a very good rvr group all the time is the key, and high RRs ofc. I remember Tankster once killing alone me, 49skald and a 42 zerker... imagine that :p

If you loose a fight in RvR maybe you should think a bit what you did wrong? that would help a bit instead of coming here to argue about it.

and yes the pbt isn´t a problem... most of time I just press F6 to break it and then slam, attack once more with 1h to remove the bt and then take 2h out. if i´m attacking a caster they very often panic a bit (I guess they looked at my face most of time :D) and start running around...

The most important points for those that don´t have time to read:

GP is good but it doesn´t make invincible.
La guys know to play but are not invincible.

Albs/Mids... Try harder! :p
 
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mele-nko

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I agree with the poster above, LA doesn't win due to grouppurge. They are a group of very good daoc players brought together and given some of the best classes / combination there are.

Imo they win due to multiple factors.

- 6 sec Bt on a chainwearer (they all spec the lines anyways so everyone has 6sec version, and they can survive a couple hits)

- Highest magic resist of the game (their +res buffs are in specc lines that ppl were speccing anyways even before all the res)

- CC and healing on different chars, although midgard has better cc without doubt, in order to get that no healer will ever be able to heal u for more then 300hps (without crits). Hib has their CC and their healing on different chars, allowing them for great cc AND uber heals (700hps a heal anyone?)

- Best tank class, hero's make sweet damage and life so insanly long. I know zerkers are great damage dealers but they just can't take as much pounding.

- Baseline stun on casters, although it's wasted on tanks in general a 9sec stun on my rm still lasts 6sec which is more then enough to kill me (pbt stops when stunned / mezzed unless u got another pbt'r)

- Atm they are the only realm with end song which is awesome and allows tanks to use thier damage potentiele to the fullests.

- And yes, Grouppurge helps, so does the bugged chanter RA :)



K what is going to happen in the near future.
- other realms will get end song allowing especially mid tanks to go rampage since mid gets probabaly the best versions of end regeneration.

- High realmranks tanks will become godlike, pure tanks will have some of their most used RA's decreased in points allowing them to have an even higher chance to crit or even more life. This will also make lower RR tanks more deadly as they will be able to get a lot of the most needed ra's sooner.

- Resists will become even higher although u won't notice much of that on the elite players, since those are the players who alrdy have the best gear. But a lot of ppl running around in gimped noob gear now will certainly increase their res dramatically with spellcrafting introduces.

- Casters are also getting a hard time due to the fact that in next patches u can no longer turn when u are mezzed or stunned, Allowing opponents to use their insanly difficult -untill now- sideopening styles. Styles who are among the most damaging in the game. And ofcourse u'll be PA bait...though there are few assasins with the guts to show themselves in the mids of a group vs group fight.

- Casters will also become even more interupted.. T_T
everyone can have charges on their gear allowing ppl to insta interupt at huge distance (just use a low lvl version to reduce the cost, a lvl 15 charge will also interupt)

Other then that i'm fine OKTHX, imo the way of the future is the way of Melee. I do not like what Mythic is doing to the game and i do hope they will see that their are some serious issues that need to be resolve (I have no idea why they don't buff alb a bit, they are a joke atm nothing more nothing less. and need some lub)


Anyways
let's see some more rampage from LA, although I hate fighting against it, it does remember me of the best days of NP ownage (53k without dying once anyone ? )^^
 
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kinadold

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Wardens was listed as 2 spec pr lv, but maybe site was wrong.
Anyway im sure ur pretty ok if compared to a earth specced
theur. Basically alb do not have fast pbt, since maybe 1 theur
on whole server who is full earth, and his a pve char made to defeat epic mobs.

End regen, again albs get the worst version.

Only 2 class'es in albion who seems up to mid/hib classes atm
and thats infils and a matter specced cabalist. Infils will get worse
and worse since their famous DF will be less important when most get purge. Cabalist seems somewhat balanced compared
to other realms ae dotters. They have different tools but seems
balanced.

Basically albs have been nerfed/underpowered each patch since 1.43 or so, and u can start to see it now.

Group purge should offcourse go to the realm without insta ae mezz, since that realm is at a disadvantage.
Bof and best access to pbt should be given to the realm with weakest melee.
Best access to magic resist should be given to the realm with weakest nukers.

To keep realms different, but still allow good fights.

Mythic dont see it that way, since albs traditionally are most.

But in HW or Odin when u do fg vs fg, its 8 vs 8. It sux pretty much to ambush someone around same rr, do everything right, and still u lose. Why so many albs make infils, becuase then u
can avoid overpowered group abilities.

Hib do think they are best, but its plain wrong.

Lets talk abit about the hib archers, since they are closest to my class.

Eleasias : Good archer who knows who to hit and when. Was good in old days and do even better with current strength of hibs.
Tdaer : Need a buffbot, nuff said.
Orizque : Before hibs got strong, he spend most of his time in emain using his speed spell. I bet he pressed that button more than his bow button. Every rp he has is leeched on insta mezzed
albs. What guild did he come from btw ?

Maybe im wrong, and hib players really are better, who knows.
 
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mastade

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End regen, again albs get the worst version.

LOL, End regen on a tank?, how the hell can that be worse than on i.e. a bard who is prime target and easily killed. Try killing the Pala with infinite end, IP, FA2, the grp insta heal RA and insane AF plus the ability to twist all the chants ^^
 
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delphae

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Originally posted by brommix
why dont the hibs who feel they are not overpowered just go and come around Copenhagen and visit me...CAUSE ILL FUCKING OVERPOWER MY FIST INTO YOUR HYPOCRITIC LYING PATHETIC TEETH..enough said. There are allways a difference between skilled players who know to use advantages that classes realms give you and those who by chance/luck get in a position where they can use their advantages and the issue around is that 1fg albs who need to kill 1fg hibs need to play better to beat them...THATS IT, now stfu before those of you thatfeel to comment on it, totally looses which respect i got left for hib players.


LOL he got owned MANY times :)
its even..sad..in a.. lame alb way..

:( its just a game.. try to go out sometimes... sniff the fresh air =P

Temperance lvl 50 druid / Ithil Galad (multicaster of group purge)
 
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kinadold

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LOL, End regen on a tank?, how the hell can that be worse than on i.e. a bard who is prime target and easily killed. Try killing the Pala with infinite end, IP, FA2, the grp insta heal RA and insane AF plus the ability to twist all the chants ^^
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U allready had it for a long time :)
 

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