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Tranquil- · Jan 14, 2003

Exactly, you still have the utility at hand. You can still interrupt. As long as you interrupt the cast you have managed to do what you intended to do with it.

This isn't about when bards can use it. That's insignificant as long as they can use it to interrupt a possible threat instantly in any ranged situation you might get into. If not only to make sure their own mez gets through and is not interrupted.

Novamir · Jan 14, 2003

i think that most armsmen spec wrong for rvr. if you compare the spec of slam/spear(or LW) heros vs. slam/pole(or 2H) arms the arms value will be wayyyy lower. i almost NEVER see arms with small shields that slam and switch to 2h.

Vasconcelos · Jan 14, 2003

Re: About LA

Originally posted by osrim
Hello all,

LA has best groups at RvR, no doubt.

Reason? Players and teamwork.

/Salute

Agreed, and they know how to take advantage of an overpowered realm, no doubt of it.

Laralyn · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Tranquil-
Seems like people actually think that Albions are generally dumber worldwide and across the servers. If so that must mean that people in Llaw Arian are generally smarter, with higher IQ, than the rest of Hibernia because they are higher RR than the average? So it's not from more time spent = more experience in RvR?

never said that..
i do however say that we DO have more experience in RVR and that is much more important then most ppl realise
just the fact that you enter the battle with a clear head and not panic has a great importance.. then ofcourse comes the part where we instantly recognise all the classes by outfit, position, etc and go for the key ones
most of alb tanks dont go for mages or if they go we are carefull to intercept (and they ussualy die).. also seen alot of alb tanks breaking mez on 2-3 tanks before they go for the elphs... nuff said

that being said do not try to twist my words any more.. wanted just to state that i will not engage in useless disputes

Flimgoblin · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Novamir
i think that most armsmen spec wrong for rvr. if you compare the spec of slam/spear(or LW) heros vs. slam/pole(or 2H) arms the arms value will be wayyyy lower. i almost NEVER see arms with small shields that slam and switch to 2h.

50 shield 50 CS 28 parry
or

50 shield 50 polearm 28 slash...

42 shield 50 polearm 39 slash 6 parry.

Less shield skill, less damage. No Moose.

Trade plate armour for evade and chain-equiv. (I can never remember if its scaled or reinforced)

Flimgoblin · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Laralyn

never said that..
i do however say that we DO have more experience in RVR and that is much more important then most ppl realise
just the fact that you enter the battle with a clear head and not panic has a great importance.. then ofcourse comes the part where we instantly recognise all the classes by outfit, position, etc and go for the key ones
most of alb tanks dont go for mages or if they go we are carefull to intercept (and they ussualy die).. also seen alot of alb tanks breaking mez on 2-3 tanks before they go for the elphs... nuff said

that being said do not try to twist my words any more.. wanted just to state that i will not engage in useless disputes

I'd agree if it's LA versus mindless zerg then the practice, skill, level heads and organisation is far more important than the group purge.

If it's LA versus FC or BF or infact any organised RvR group that knows what it's doing it'll come down to the spells/character abilities more so than the skill.

My current Opinion:
Mids get instastun.
Hibs get group purge.
Albion gets twice the numbers.

a 'fair fight' is 2fg albs versus 1fg hibs

exe · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Fingoniel
50 shield 50 CS 28 parry

Just want to say that the standart CS/LW hero template atm is 42shield/50cs(lw)/39parry/6blades(left over points).

Flimgoblin · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by exe
Just want to say that a standart CS/LW hero template atm is 42shield/50cs(lw)/39parry/6blades(left over points).

Aha thanks

No brutalize style... but you get slam + 39 points of parry and max damage.

a max-damage polearmsman can't get slam.
a slamming polearmsman gets at most 39 slash and 6 parry...

i.e. no defence whilst wielding that pole, and less damage.

lofff · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by exe
Do u think she was making rps w/o killing anyone?^^ I can confirm: she DOESNT leech And Im used to see dms by her in almost every battle.

I grouped with Laralyn before she joined LA, shes a good and fun player, always in a good mood (*cough* lately had to put filter on when she refered to her isp ;& ) She just plays too much, am sure every single rvr-active alb has seen loads of dms from her cos shes rvring 25/7 ;p

off-topic: last run yesterday i got 6 mid-dms in a fgvsfg fight ;p fear the frenzy chimpion ^^

lofff · Jan 14, 2003

Re: Re: About LA

Originally posted by Vasconcelos

Agreed, and they know how to take advantage of an overpowered realm, no doubt of it.

stfu gimp ;p

Laralyn · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Fingoniel

I'd agree if it's LA versus mindless zerg then the practice, skill, level heads and organisation is far more important than the group purge.

If it's LA versus FC or BF or infact any organised RvR group that knows what it's doing it'll come down to the spells/character abilities more so than the skill.

My current Opinion:
Mids get instastun.
Hibs get group purge.
Albion gets twice the numbers.

a 'fair fight' is 2fg albs versus 1fg hibs

this thread was started by Outlaw after a night when 2fgs LA owned 4-5fgs albs more then 3 times and a lot of mids in between alb ports..
so dunno if it was a mindless zerg or Outlaw alone outside the zerg + zerg but we were outnumbered 2-1 almost all the time

Laralyn · Jan 14, 2003

and yes my ISP sucks most of the time.. i ussualy have 2-3 secs of delay when changing weaps
has its good days too tho

lofff · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Fingoniel

50 shield 50 CS 28 parry
or

50 shield 50 polearm 28 slash...

42 shield 50 polearm 39 slash 6 parry.

Less shield skill, less damage. No Moose.

Trade plate armour for evade and chain-equiv. (I can never remember if its scaled or reinforced)

my dear friend, 42 shield 50cs 39parry is the most common spearo spec since 42--->50 shield spec gives nearly to no-thing (specially when u use ur spear 90% time)

42shield 50polearm 39weapon(i would chose trusth as an alb) should b the most common armsman template, since its the most versatile, almost every hib tank has stun (but for those bm gimps ;p) Determination doesnt affect melee stuns, making melee stuns the best ones, the dmg difference from 39 to 50 on base weapon will b barely noticeable, the evade rate from evade 1 is A FUCKING JOKE so f u are willing to exchangue 34%abs armour for our 27% (scale) i do think u are stoopid.

Finally yes u have no moose. Anyway the point was just that theres _NOT_ albs using shield ---> 2h combo (while almost every hero does) U can actually find s/s ones or pole ones, hybrids versatility must mean gimpness in alb.

Vasconcelos · Jan 14, 2003

Re: Re: Re: About LA

Originally posted by lofff

stfu gimp ;p

Shut up n go clean of fuel ur beach!!!

PD: regresas para quedarte o solo estas de paso?

lofff · Jan 14, 2003

I tho u were coming as a volunteer? ;p (too cold outthere ;&)

ps: Estoy intentando chapar los exámenes de febrero asiq me autolimito las horas de vicio ;p

Fame · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch

quote:
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Originally posted by Tranquil-
About hibs and mezzing.

Bard uses insta AE amnesia which is at 2300 range, interrupts alb casters/mez, uses castable mez, voila.

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..wrong

i know one bard who uses it =]

old.Nol · Jan 14, 2003

What amazes me is that many albs think purge 's too expensive for what it does, then complain here about mad cc. Purge is the RA that 90% of Hibernia buys as soon as they have points, and not just for CC, but for any negative effect. I seldom see any Alb's use purge and that is prolly why when they do, they get owned anyway, because one char is purging, not the entire group.

Khalen · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Novamir
i think that most armsmen spec wrong for rvr. if you compare the spec of slam/spear(or LW) heros vs. slam/pole(or 2H) arms the arms value will be wayyyy lower. i almost NEVER see arms with small shields that slam and switch to 2h.

Weird must have missed me then...

Flimgoblin · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Laralyn

this thread was started by Outlaw after a night when 2fgs LA owned 4-5fgs albs more then 3 times and a lot of mids in between alb ports..
so dunno if it was a mindless zerg or Outlaw alone outside the zerg + zerg but we were outnumbered 2-1 almost all the time

4fg of pickup albs vs 2fg of LA is not a fair fight.

4fg of pickup albs vs 2fg of pickup hibs probably is

4fg of organised albs vs 2fg of LA would be a close one

wildpt · Jan 14, 2003

What amazes me is that many albs think purge 's too expensive for what it does, then complain here about mad cc. Purge is the RA that 90% of Hibernia buys as soon as they have points, and not just for CC, but for any negative effect. I seldom see any Alb's use purge and that is prolly why when they do, they get owned anyway, because one char is purging, not the entire group.

What amazes me is ...

Albion: Lv50 - 972 Last Week Rps - 18,350,006
Hibernia: Lv50 - 693 Last Week Rps - 20,474,382

Now i Know when u said that 90% of hibernia buys purge as soon as they have points.

StormriderX · Jan 14, 2003

Less rp's when you zerg

old.Tzeentch · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Fame

i know one bard who uses it =]

i was a noob then ok

wildpt · Jan 14, 2003

hehe if we dont zerg more points we give to hibs

old.Nol · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by wildpt

What amazes me is ...

Albion: Lv50 - 972 Last Week Rps - 18,350,006
Hibernia: Lv50 - 693 Last Week Rps - 20,474,382

Now i Know when u said that 90% of hibernia buys purge as soon as they have points.

It stands to reason that Albion will make less RP's per head because there are more people to share the rp's around with. Your equation prooves that, if making RP's is so tough, then how come you have so many uber pharmers? It's 14 points, wow, even less in the next patch. I am busy saving up for my second 14 point RA.

dakeyras · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by stormriderx
Less rp's when you zerg

How come Hib have more then?

Pin · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Hibs even gloat about beating an enemy while they have so many advantages, it is like comparing the Olympics to the Paralympics....

Hey! Those dewdz got wheelzzzz!!

exe · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by dakeyras

How come Hib have more then?

Coz of LA+VGN mostly^^

wildpt · Jan 14, 2003

The most played class in albion is armsman and after 11 months we still have only 5 rr6 (1,013,000 rps), do u really think the others will buy for 1st RA purge instead of IP?would you if u were an alb tank?

Thats why next patch Purge,Determination and IP costs less cos half of albion dont have points to spent and mythic knew that.

Tranquil- · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by Laralyn

never said that..
i do however say that we DO have more experience in RVR and that is much more important then most ppl realise
just the fact that you enter the battle with a clear head and not panic has a great importance.. then ofcourse comes the part where we instantly recognise all the classes by outfit, position, etc and go for the key ones
most of alb tanks dont go for mages or if they go we are carefull to intercept (and they ussualy die).. also seen alot of alb tanks breaking mez on 2-3 tanks before they go for the elphs... nuff said

that being said do not try to twist my words any more.. wanted just to state that i will not engage in useless disputes

I know that's not what you said, and now you know it's not directed to your post, but that seems to be a pretty common thought among hibs these days, so I added it.

Though the problem isn't with high RR hib vs low RR alb, that's almost a guaranteed loss(should be). It's equal RR fights, hibs have the edge in those fights when it comes to RA's, skills and skill placement.

SOS is only an escape button. GP isn't. You can make a juicy comeback instantly.

But you are right. Useless disputes is what it is, and experience is an important factor. But to have a non-mezzable(?) GP'ed group(w/insta CC) back in your face far outweighs SOS in Group vs Group battle. Though this IS useless to say, I know.

Flimgoblin · Jan 14, 2003

Originally posted by stormriderx
Less rp's when you zerg

more actually... if we meet an even number of hibs we get ~0

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