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katt!
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since the servers do not send you locations of stealthed players, how the hell do you expect a plugin to let you be able to see them?
since the servers do not send you locations of stealthed players, how the hell do you expect a plugin to let you be able to see them?
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Torin
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Originally posted by old.Anarki
1)Stealthed @ mPK lotherys, Krom comes pbmezzes all around.
4) 3 minstrels stealth near amg and passing throug it stelathed, Krom comes and Pbae all around.
Do i have to make photos of him using daox or inst it obvious?
1. Anarki - its nothing strange to make PBAE on MiliGates.
Im always do AE stun on every MG im passing - am i also cheating?
2. All other info .... i have to invistigate that
very sad
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Alrindel
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No cheat program, no plug-in, no uberh4xx can make your computer display information it never receives. The radar-type HUD display cheat programs will only display stealthed enemies for assassin classes with See Hidden.
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Whandall
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How does see hidden work then?
EDIT: Grmpf Alrindel already answered a sec before i posted
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old.blaxuz
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Anarki too bad you havent seen yourself stealthed, a lvl5 non stealther can see you from about 10000miles away
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old.Sko
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Here's trick mates.
When running, in maximal zoom out pan your camera around. As soon as you get a invader lag, here you go. Face that direction and probably you will meet some enemy. Other thing i noticed when playing on 28.8 - you often get lag ghosts which will allow you to see groups of enemies well outside clipping range.
When running, in maximal zoom out pan your camera around. As soon as you get a invader lag, here you go. Face that direction and probably you will meet some enemy. Other thing i noticed when playing on 28.8 - you often get lag ghosts which will allow you to see groups of enemies well outside clipping range.
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Come 1.52 and respec most minstrels are gonna have gimped stealth, some perhaps only 1 point so they can get 50 thrust//43 inst template.
I will have 21 stealth which is enough for it to still be useful if nobody gets too close
I will have 21 stealth which is enough for it to still be useful if nobody gets too close
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old.Molotok
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Nether heard such things from Krom in Emain, even though I am his quildmate... Usually its like -= inc NW =- , and if you turn there you can see ZERG, or at least 1 fg, which is already attacking you...
About running and finding - usually people run away and hide in the same direction (other places full of aggro or quite open), so its easy to guess where can ppl go... Krom showed me some places like that, and I usually find someone hiding in there after we, say, crashed albs and AMG and they trying to escape to ATK...
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Whandall
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@Molotok: nice signature
@Anarki: Could you plz stop camping Ligen with your Minstrel friend and that Ranger(was it Aussie?) Thats really mean *sobs*
j/k
@Anarki: Could you plz stop camping Ligen with your Minstrel friend and that Ranger(was it Aussie?) Thats really mean *sobs*
j/k
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Torin
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And this is already serious ... Cougar - ScreenShot pls.
What Xana told - well, can be explained by scouting
what Anarki said - well can be explained by habbit and luck
BUT what said Cougar - this can be explained only by radar - cause 48 and 50 all r yellow and i do not belive that someone remeber all names and lvls.
Cougar - SS please, othewise ur words worth nothing
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old.anubis
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can't the explanation be that both are from the same guild? TT
like "sidit pushkin na zabore i hui drochit" (c)
been in group with krom quite a lot, been ganked many times, both from albs & hibs, zergs & small groups
he has all those -= inc DIR =- macros hotkey'd for sure, so you dont need to type that bs all over again
as for pbae, can we now accuse all the chanters and wizzys on excal for this kinda stuff?
this catch with 3 minstrels looks nice though, dont have an explanation. any other proofs?
like "sidit pushkin na zabore i hui drochit" (c)
been in group with krom quite a lot, been ganked many times, both from albs & hibs, zergs & small groups
he has all those -= inc DIR =- macros hotkey'd for sure, so you dont need to type that bs all over again
as for pbae, can we now accuse all the chanters and wizzys on excal for this kinda stuff?
this catch with 3 minstrels looks nice though, dont have an explanation. any other proofs?
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Oxota
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all Anarki`s arguments are lol - he mentioned all common camp spots for other realm stealthers. He forgot to mention 1 more - 3 birches on a small hill in halfway between MTK-MMG at road. I guess he hadn`t catch there no1 yet by PBAOE - more whyne inc
If he could see stealthed ppl with his "Radar", he would be ideal stealther-killer And our SBs would be useless.
If he could see stealthed ppl with his "Radar", he would be ideal stealther-killer
And our SBs would be useless.
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hotrat
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Can't remember the link (and im at work so can't look it up in favourites) but it is possible to target someone get their name, type it into the xml search (on another computer) and find their level and class (if they are guilded
)However if it was more than one person incoming punching all their names into a search field and typing out the results is highly unpractical
I usually use this if someone reveals me while im stealthed, just to cry when i find out its a lvl 31 shadowblade
(nerf see hidden please), or when i own a skald; to make sure he was level 50 cus i can't beleive how easy he was
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old.Bee Man
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all this "i see XXX and run bla bla bla 10 min and hide, but hi found me bla bla bla." If u smart and play Daoc much time -> Emain for u - opened book. Did u remember "Last hero" move with Arnold Shwarzneger?
He opened room's door and shoted to wardrob.
And from there falled down Ninja.
Boy asking
- how did u know that?
- dunno, they always hide here.
P.S. If SM targeted Pet on u and stiked with skald on Pet -> they can find u easy.
He opened room's door and shoted to wardrob.
And from there falled down Ninja.
Boy asking
- how did u know that?
- dunno, they always hide here.
P.S. If SM targeted Pet on u and stiked with skald on Pet -> they can find u easy.
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old.Akirai
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This was my suspicion of how worlorn knew exactly where i was all the time. He tried saying his mate shadowblade was following me and he could see his screen, but thats bullsh*t coz i had true sight active and not 1 stealth was even in visual range.
Wish people would just play fairly.
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old.Tart
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Guys this is real Odins Eye is real
I have posted on these forums with all the details for them to be deleted by, the moderators GOA will not reply to my mail. This is real.
Basically the program called Odins Eye displays a map and shows enemys on it, in the corner of your screen. I dont use this program as I dont fully understand the Linux code behind it..
All I am trying to do is out this to the General Public so that something is done about it.
If you want proof of it message me, and I will send you the links as everytime i post on these boards it gets deleted
I have posted on these forums with all the details for them to be deleted by, the moderators GOA will not reply to my mail. This is real.
Basically the program called Odins Eye displays a map and shows enemys on it, in the corner of your screen. I dont use this program as I dont fully understand the Linux code behind it..
All I am trying to do is out this to the General Public so that something is done about it.
If you want proof of it message me, and I will send you the links as everytime i post on these boards it gets deleted
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bf_kate
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You mean you don't use it because it's cheating and completely ruins the game, right?
I don't see how giving the general public a link to the cheat helps the problem.
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illu
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hmmmm I'm not sure if this helps people cheat or not, but surely we shouldn't be encouraging people either? (by posting links to it Tart?)
I'd imagine the program if it's from january (I managed to look at the link you posted) has been updated by now, but even though it is difficult to prove cheating in this game, I think you will eventually get found out and banned.
So it's up to you.
Oli - ILLU
I'd imagine the program if it's from january (I managed to look at the link you posted) has been updated by now, but even though it is difficult to prove cheating in this game, I think you will eventually get found out and banned.
So it's up to you.
Oli - ILLU
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Alrindel
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Tart, this cheat program - and many others - has existed for a year now. Mythic knows about them all, and is constantly developing tools to detect the people who use it, and delete their accounts, at a rate of several per week (and doing a much better job of it so far than Origin, Funcom or Verant ever did). What you are doing - encouraging people to use it by spamming the forums posting links to the download sites - is childish and moronic. There is no great magic programming solution that Mythic can implement to stop people from doing this: the basic mechanics behind how online games work means that it's impossible to prevent. But you're not making the situation better, you're just helping make it worse.
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old.Anarki
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I dont want to respond to all Black Company posters defending his member. I KNOW he cheats, cause i know this game like an open book (c) bee. I'm playing it for more then a year now.
As Aussie said you cant prove radar, you can feel some1 using it.
And i fealt that. Those 4 examples i made? lol i could make 100 more just to lasy to tupe 100 sentences.
One last thing. I was playing Uger once in the morning cause got bored, met Krom and Giramas and we went to gorge. Krom was leading and in 1 hour we ganked around 10 hibs in god knows what random places. I was surprised even thou it was around 10 am wiht 300 peple on server...
Dont want all techical bullsh1t, just Krom cheats PERIOD. My respect to cheaters = 0 PERIOD. Respect to guild that defending chater = 0 PERIOD
As Aussie said you cant prove radar, you can feel some1 using it.
And i fealt that. Those 4 examples i made? lol i could make 100 more just to lasy to tupe 100 sentences.
One last thing. I was playing Uger once in the morning cause got bored, met Krom and Giramas and we went to gorge. Krom was leading and in 1 hour we ganked around 10 hibs in god knows what random places. I was surprised even thou it was around 10 am wiht 300 peple on server...
Dont want all techical bullsh1t, just Krom cheats PERIOD. My respect to cheaters = 0 PERIOD. Respect to guild that defending chater = 0 PERIOD
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censi
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ah yer my mistake it trapp was playing korv... not korn. (thank god)
PS nolby dont be a twat
Of course it cant, but there are ways of fooling your client.... The most obvious way is True sight.... This plug in has probably found a way of perminently running true sight for classes that arnt even allowed to get it. But its a fact, there is a pluging that allows you to see stealthed players as if they weren't hidden, from full vision range.... believe it or not..
PS nolby dont be a twat
Of course it cant, but there are ways of fooling your client.... The most obvious way is True sight.... This plug in has probably found a way of perminently running true sight for classes that arnt even allowed to get it. But its a fact, there is a pluging that allows you to see stealthed players as if they weren't hidden, from full vision range.... believe it or not..
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Alrindel
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Explain to me please how a "plug-in" running on your local computer can trick the server into thinking your hero is a nightshade with true sight, and sending the appropriate information about stealthed enemies around your location.
Don't believe everything you read on teh interwebs.
Don't believe everything you read on teh interwebs.
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Tank Init
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are you saying a stealthed player sends no infomation to any players computer in the area?
granted you cant visibly see the player but surely the info is been sent to all players in the area (their computers), or is there a special piece of code written just for stealth classes?
just asking as i didnt write this game
granted you cant visibly see the player but surely the info is been sent to all players in the area (their computers), or is there a special piece of code written just for stealth classes?
just asking as i didnt write this game
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Alrindel
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The server only sends you information about things that could be visible to your character. If there is a stealthed character within range and the server decides you can see through his stealth, then that information is transmitted to your client (and therefore, if you are using a radar cheat, the enemy will show up on the radar). If you the server decides you cannot see through his stealth, no information about him is sent to your client, so there is nothing for any cheat program to intercept and display on the radar.
I do not believe there is any cheat program that can trick the server into thinking you have true sight when you don't. That implies quite serious penetration at the server level, and the radar hacks that currently circulate don't work that way at all. They all involve decrypting and analyzing the data stream that comes from the server in a non-invasive way - that's what makes it so hard to prove that someone is, or is not using them. Furthermore Mythic has said that they won't use aggressive measures to counter them: they could, for example, install spyware code in the DAoC client that scanned for the presence of radar cheats and reported back to Mythic if it found any. They have said that they do not morally agree with this approach, and they won't use it. Mostly to combat it they simply look at complaints about people who might be cheating, they watch the people who are repoted very closely in real time while they are playing, and they catch them red-handed running after something there is no way they should have been able to see. They have a few other tricks up their sleeves as well, but (understandably) they're pretty tight-lipped about how they catch cheaters because if they tell everybody how they are catching them, then the other cheaters will modify their behaviour accordingly.
I do not believe there is any cheat program that can trick the server into thinking you have true sight when you don't. That implies quite serious penetration at the server level, and the radar hacks that currently circulate don't work that way at all. They all involve decrypting and analyzing the data stream that comes from the server in a non-invasive way - that's what makes it so hard to prove that someone is, or is not using them. Furthermore Mythic has said that they won't use aggressive measures to counter them: they could, for example, install spyware code in the DAoC client that scanned for the presence of radar cheats and reported back to Mythic if it found any. They have said that they do not morally agree with this approach, and they won't use it. Mostly to combat it they simply look at complaints about people who might be cheating, they watch the people who are repoted very closely in real time while they are playing, and they catch them red-handed running after something there is no way they should have been able to see. They have a few other tricks up their sleeves as well, but (understandably) they're pretty tight-lipped about how they catch cheaters because if they tell everybody how they are catching them, then the other cheaters will modify their behaviour accordingly.
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old.Bee Man
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i played with Krom
i was killed with Krom
much time Hibs/Albs jumped to our head
i was killed with Krom
much time Hibs/Albs jumped to our head
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old.Anarki
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So you wanna say that Radar users cant be zerged? I was searcing web for something that can prove that this kind of program exits and found it, i wont post the link here, cause dont want to encourage people to cheat. But the program is just crazy It has a feckin faq how to install it and is updated to 1.52 euro. It really ruins the game, but people use it
It has a feckin faq how to install it and is updated to 1.52 euro. It really ruins the game, but people use it
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old.Arnor
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Ive played with Krom alot, and yes we have run into quite a few albs/hibs, but weve also been jumped as many times. And ppl tend to stick to the same routes, so its seldom very hard to guess.
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why do some people always seem to defend people who judging from a lot of the above posts DO cheat ? BAN all cheats i say!!
for the guy who said he posted on your forums that h didnt use radar , Do you really think he would tell you if he was using radar ? how do you think he would tell you if he was ? maybe summin like this .
"Hey guys im a lamer and use chats and radars to find and avoid hibs/albs in emain . it works great and im proud of being a cheat ."
to the small amount of pople who have run with him in emain and been killed by albs/mids . if he had radar i doubt he would use it everytime he went to emain . cos then it would be far to suspiscious , notice the way he doesnt post here to defend himself ? .
to many people have imo posted remarks that do prove his guilt of cheating and nobody imo gave VALID reason to prove him inocent . either way i think he does cheat and i REALLY hope Goa have him monitored and catch his cheating ass and ban him and delete his account ,
i cant say i blame his guild for trying to claim his inocence because i probably would defend a guild mate of mine and ask for proof . but above says it all for me ,
and cheating to me CANNOT be justified and defended anyway at all .
for the guy who said he posted on your forums that h didnt use radar , Do you really think he would tell you if he was using radar ? how do you think he would tell you if he was ? maybe summin like this .
"Hey guys im a lamer and use chats and radars to find and avoid hibs/albs in emain . it works great and im proud of being a cheat ."
to the small amount of pople who have run with him in emain and been killed by albs/mids . if he had radar i doubt he would use it everytime he went to emain . cos then it would be far to suspiscious , notice the way he doesnt post here to defend himself ? .
to many people have imo posted remarks that do prove his guilt of cheating and nobody imo gave VALID reason to prove him inocent . either way i think he does cheat and i REALLY hope Goa have him monitored and catch his cheating ass and ban him and delete his account ,
i cant say i blame his guild for trying to claim his inocence because i probably would defend a guild mate of mine and ask for proof . but above says it all for me ,
and cheating to me CANNOT be justified and defended anyway at all .
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I read a post that was linked from here on the ign boards a while back as to how they catch people using radar, now this is from memory cos i cant find the damn link but it basically goes like this -
Goa/mythic gets informed of possible radar use by another player
They then start investigating if they believe it to have some founding
They follow the suspected character for a while to see if they do anything suspect
If they think there may be something amiss they create an enemy (say a Luri, and spawn it in a rock/tree/underground), in a place that i CANNOT be seen but will show on radar.
If the suspect person legs it towards that spawned enemy then they are busted.
This test is repeated 6 times to be sure.
Now i might not have that 100% but it was defo a post from someone from Goa/Mythic or whoever on ign boards ages ago. might have changed since.....
Goa/mythic gets informed of possible radar use by another player
They then start investigating if they believe it to have some founding
They follow the suspected character for a while to see if they do anything suspect
If they think there may be something amiss they create an enemy (say a Luri, and spawn it in a rock/tree/underground), in a place that i CANNOT be seen but will show on radar.
If the suspect person legs it towards that spawned enemy then they are busted.
This test is repeated 6 times to be sure.
Now i might not have that 100% but it was defo a post from someone from Goa/Mythic or whoever on ign boards ages ago. might have changed since.....
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old.anubis
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2anarki
BC doesnt need your respect, i've lost all respect to you when your thane was only lvl 10 or so
i'm playing with krom and believe his word
BC doesnt need your respect, i've lost all respect to you when your thane was only lvl 10 or so
i'm playing with krom and believe his word