To Kelmorian Bad Omen do call for ADDs with MM

[Tantalon]

Originally posted by AzuratMinimus
Well pr is very usefull most of our support was up pretty quick with it.

So is running 2 druids as you killed our bard and he was up instantly

I'm also glad there is a mid out there that admits they have a useful RA in PR as most just moan they dont have anything useful.

/salute

 

[Cami]

Ofcourse PR is usefull - but i'd love to swap it for GP/BAOD to be honest

Or BoF/SoS

 

[Tantalon]

Wow 2 mids who like PR im impressed and no you cant have GP or BAOD because we would have nothing to annoy you with

 

[Cush]

Those who think PR is crap dont know how to use it. But then again everything is relativ.

 

[Penitent]

Originally posted by Makwaerk
Well he knows what actully can kill his group .. and it is not like you are doing the groups by your self .. so perhaps it is needed

I agree actually. It is needed, and advice is always welcome and and it's great that Blej gave us a suggestion on ways we could improve. Not many people would do that. The problem is the same old story that we dont actually have enough people who RvR at the same time anyway, let alone to set up and experiment with a group like this. Also that we have become a close-knit regular group and it would be difficult to kick out a few people now just to try a different group set-up with different people.

Only option to try something like this is to keep the same people in the group and reroll some new classes and start over. Think most of us have done enough xping tho to consider making 4 new lvl 50's, kitting them out, building up the RPs again, etc.

Then again, maybe its time to face facts and realise that Blej's suggestion IS the only way to beat tough Mid groups these days, and a few weeks off RvR to make the new chars is the only way forward.

 

[Kelmorian]

Sorry about the language...but...

What the fuck has this to do with me?...

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by Penitent
I agree actually. It is needed, and advice is always welcome and and it's great that Blej gave us a suggestion on ways we could improve. Not many people would do that. The problem is the same old story that we dont actually have enough people who RvR at the same time anyway, let alone to set up and experiment with a group like this. Also that we have become a close-knit regular group and it would be difficult to kick out a few people now just to try a different group set-up with different people.

Only option to try something like this is to keep the same people in the group and reroll some new classes and start over. Think most of us have done enough xping tho to consider making 4 new lvl 50's, kitting them out, building up the RPs again, etc.

Then again, maybe its time to face facts and realise that Blej's suggestion IS the only way to beat tough Mid groups these days, and a few weeks off RvR to make the new chars is the only way forward.

Its the only way. You cant beat others who have a defined plan if you dont have one.

 

[Glyph_mid]

Cant believe BO almost lost to Severance , I need to have time to play again!

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

severance have getting better.
1 reason is higher rp latly.
2 teamwork.

But wasnt that close to lose imho at that fight i remember amg on hib side.. adn this was also after figthing like 2-3groups before
And our MA lded when severance came also

But pentient, take the time imho and just try pl those new classes to level 50 fast.. and u will get rp alot faster then u are getting it atm..

 

[tanq]

Originally posted by Glyph_mid
Cant believe BO almost lost to Severance , I need to have time to play again!

We wasn't close to beating BO last night and never claimed we was
Had a fun fight at amg hib side with BO tho.

Tuorin who started the thread are in another grp and not Severance.

Thanks for your advice Blejs

 

[Penitent]

Originally posted by Glyph_mid
Cant believe BO almost lost to Severance , I need to have time to play again!

Nah, you must be mistaken. Only time we have ever beaten BO is at hib-side amgE one night when we got a lucky mezz in as they came through the gates. Was a nice fight tho.

Other times we get duly slaughtered.

Guess we're off to xp then. See you in a few months! :wall:

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

few months? u nuts?!
claim fins spot and get a 50 on 3days or so played

 

[old.Aure]

Originally posted by Kelmorian
Sorry about the language...but...

What the fuck has this to do with me?...

CBA to research the thread but I thought it was you that had a pop at BO for not aiding you against PE and BO claimed that they only fight 1fg. Our experience (it always was in the past)shows that when you are beating BO they call for backup. 10/4 over. In itself no-one minds the attitude we always want to win as PE usually state and i'm sure BO do, but to say hey we dont ever add is not true. They almost always without exception add when they are losing, so it negates the argument of /random adds. That's the way us Hibs see it and unfortunately numerous long term Hibs have quit Rvr either because of it or it one reason why they have. Some of us however are returning to rvr.

Pipster

Don't worry too much about remaking groups. Mid groups are beatable if you can prevent adds. A really good high rr Hib melee group can beat the fotm Mid groups as we have demonstrated on occasions. The problem is it is a long fight with PR and our inferior damage output. We have better defence than mid groups and if we can stay alive beyond 1 minute we will generally win the longer fights. We just as easy can lose in 20 secs though. More often than not we do lose to fotm groups because of the savage damage output and instant interupts on our druids and also that we are not as well setout as them, ie can't get the optimum Hib dudes for the group.

The pbaoe group or "debuff" group Blejs mentions can be effective against them as they can be killed extremely fast and so long as you tie up the rezzers its fine. It can also be mutiliated far swifter than a melee or split caster/tank group if you lose the cc battle.

When the insta interupts get fixed you will see your bards surviving a little longer.

 

[Wou]

PBAE groups are very nice, we do them in fixed guildgroups.

But 2 days ago I sweared it was the last time I did a random pbae group, unless I know the chanters. How crazy it sounds, but hib has far too few chanters, and when you find chanters, I m mostly explaining to 1 or 2 how /assist works when we run to bolg. Imagen how it is to have 2 healers in the group who don't know the difference between ae mezz and stun..


So when I start a group now it is melee, like that group you meeted. At least they don't disband at first dead.

Btw Blej is right, they killed us 3 times, but only 1 time without adds.

 

[dorfs]

bad omen sucks donkey balls period

 

[Crashtje]

give it a month or two and we`ll find our feet and know what we are good at , then you`ll phear us

 

[Maleg_Grumpton]

PBAoE groups are more powerful but far less forgiving, you need some very experienced mages and a very good bard. Eclipse have some of the best mage and bard players (not to mention all the other classes ) in Hib / Pryd and I've never seen a more distructive group as their mage group. However if you play a PBAoE group and get caught with your pants down you'll get ganked quick time.

Hibs can also put together a half decent tank group, but the odds are stacked in Mids and Albs favor (Mids have superiour CC and Tanks, Alb's have better melee defenses and RA's are orientated towards melee defense). You can win, but if you're going up against the likes of PE or BO expect to lose more than you win, firstly because they are strong groups, but also because there are generally more Mids / Albs in emain and unless they totally screw up a good melee fight is generally pretty long = high chance of adds (wether desired or not).

As for groups adding, I've heard people say that the experienced RvR teams will try and avoid adding during a even fight (not to say they don't clean up after ). But I must say I've never witnessed it personally. As a Hib I get a bit frustrated with groups adding at times, but tbh Emain is mostly a 2 way fight - us Hibs are a bit of a wild card that spice things up every now and then. From a point of view of Hibs adding to fights - I hate Hibs adding when we're winning but often feel fairly relieved when we're losing - just hate that 10 minute run back to Emain

 

[faderullan]

More and more hibs are seen out. Great work. Keep this up and results will come.

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

Tuorin, why do hibbis have better defence?
Mids have in their tank group 3healers with SH
Thats 3pr, 3group insta 3single insta.
And also a shammy that dont heal that often tho.
But he do use diease = you get healed for less
If not cured ofc.

And for 1 other thing tuorin, mids are often in emain = alot easier that we do get adds, i am sure hibbis would add as much if it was same amount of hibbis as it is mids, and no we didnt call MM for help or anything, or i doubt someone did atleast. Was in that case probelly the person that died.
since u can get a pm, like playername: where?

And 1 thing more, I HAVENT SAID WE NEVER ADD.
I said we try avoid adding. But i start to think other latly.
I dont care if stuff adds on us anymore atleast. And yes sometimes its boring ppl add. But i am sure some ppl rather want ppl to help when its 1fg vs 1fg and outcome is not sure, then they want ppl to run away and not help.
Can really understand how u say hibbi melee team is better overtime.. Got no clue. You ppl run with 1bard not 2.
Poff interupt bard and u got no end. Poff shammy die.
Hi there end shout ^^

The "good" melee team from hibbi have been the one with malev in imho. But well well.

and tnx wou, cant remember we got adds 2 times tho.
But i dont remeber where third fight happend.
1fight when MM came, 1fg vs 1fg grogans-silo
and 1 more i am sure happend just not really how the fight was.

 

[old.Aure]

Originally posted by Mid_Blejsarus


Can really understand how u say hibbi melee team is better overtime.. Got no clue. You ppl run with 1bard not 2.
Poff interupt bard and u got no end. Poff shammy die.
Hi there end shout ^^

Actually we can't get bards. We cant even get a guild bard, never mind 2 from Hib. Mid groups are strong and have high damage and your support is great and they all have their roles. Plus the fact you have so much spam and interupts and stuff. Our defense comes from the fact that mainly in broken rvr ie assist train gone or broke up and healers oom or dead, then we can survive a fair time due to most being hybrid shield users etc etc plus then pbt becomes an issue. Of course our issues are endurance usage and bard interupt as you point out.

As for Wou saying we fought you 3 times, maybe I wasnt in the group then but the other guys all seem to think we fought u twice when Tant and I were grouped. Maybe the other time was when 2 guys dropped for a steather near grogans, we died in about 20 seconds rather badly. I dunno who killed us then i just recall some1 pursuing something out of rp range.

Remember your time in Hib Blejs? Remember random groups all time? When you played Incanter account. Not that much different, not many bards and those that are any good are even rarer. Some fixed group rvr groups and some mixed highish rrank guys, but NP and Eclipse aren't playing very often. So we field what we can and hopefully you will see in the future higher RR fixed Hib groups. Of course if we continue to get adds every single place we fight then I'm sure we won't keep coming, but we'll have to see about that.

Sadly we can't get great uber groups every time or indeed 90% of the time.

We aint always "good", but when we beat you I'll let you know eh, then you can explain how your superior force lost.

Here's a emoticon.

 

[Mid_Blejsarus]

think i was hibbi only 2times tho?
1 with luona when i fixed 2fg and we pretty much owned emain
and second with the luri but that was only 1-3hours
well well, make a bard tuorin then!!
be in melee group or pbaoe
but now i need sleep so :x and nn

 

[Hestetun]

Originally posted by amazingsteve
Do you tell your teacher how to teach?

maybe. but most of hibs pryd are bunch of noobs, if the caster flyes like chickens and fyi

caster grp imo . 2 druid (nurt and nat )
1 bard
2 elds
1 void
1 warden(shorter time on mezz, to many lowbies on pryd) 1 s/s hero , might go 2 tho couse savages is a pain to slam.

And fyi Tank grp of hibs are also very good vs savage grps.

 

[Shike]

give more bards... pain in the arse to find them these days

Think we now are seeing the difference in population some atm. More people playing=more bards=more good bards.

 

[Crashtje]

hest u nub fo back to hib/exc , yall know u gotta be _uber_ l337 rvr0rer to join llaw arian , VGN etc on excal, just bcos u rake in 5mil rps a week doesnt mean hib/pryd`s are noob, theres farless hibs on pryd than there is exc, u _always_ run in 1fg + more , most hib pryd grps unless fixed leave with 3 wardens 1 lvl 40bard etc and dont stand achance against blejs 2fg savages and PE`s zerg :/

[edit sp. etc, + just using BO and PE as examples :S]

 

[mavericky]

Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
hest u nub fo back to hib/exc , yall know u gotta be _uber_ l337 rvr0rer to join llaw arian , VGN etc on excal, just cos u rake in 5mil rps a week doesnt mean hib/pryd are noob, hteres farless hibs on prdy than there is exc, u _always_ run in 1fg + more , most hib pryd grps unless fixed leave with 3 wardens 1 lvl 40bard etc and dont stand achance against blejs 2fg savages abd PE`s zerg :/

I managed to read this, do i win a prize?

 

[tanq]

Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
hest u nub fo back to hib/exc , yall know u gotta be _uber_ l337 rvr0rer to join llaw arian , VGN etc on excal, just cos u rake in 5mil rps a week doesnt mean hib/pryd are noob, hteres farless hibs on prdy than there is exc, u _always_ run in 1fg + more , most hib pryd grps unless fixed leave with 3 wardens 1 lvl 40bard etc and dont stand achance against blejs 2fg savages abd PE`s zerg :/

Would be nice if hib/pry had that many wardens tbh.

And I can't really recognize what you are saying about Blejs and PE either.

Maybe it's just my grp that are lucky and most of the time run into BO and PE fg vs fg.

 

[Kelmorian]

this thing about adding in rvr is something the rvr groups have thought upp, just a new word for "we dont like zerging"...

If the rvr groups dont want adds they should go somewhere, where they dont get them. such as snowdonia..

And i didnt have a go at BO...if you think that, you managed to fail to see my point...i was talking about realm mates beeing left to die to a superior enemy.

 

[Cami]

Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
hest u nub fo back to hib/exc , yall know u gotta be _uber_ l337 rvr0rer to join llaw arian , VGN etc on excal, just cos u rake in 5mil rps a week doesnt mean hib/pryd are noob, hteres farless hibs on prdy than there is exc, u _always_ run in 1fg + more , most hib pryd grps unless fixed leave with 3 wardens 1 lvl 40bard etc and dont stand achance against blejs 2fg savages abd PE`s zerg :/

lol!

 

[Hyuga Hinata]

Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
hest u nub fo back to hib/exc , yall know u gotta be _uber_ l337 rvr0rer to join llaw arian , VGN etc on excal, just cos u rake in 5mil rps a week doesnt mean hib/pryd are noob, hteres farless hibs on prdy than there is exc, u _always_ run in 1fg + more , most hib pryd grps unless fixed leave with 3 wardens 1 lvl 40bard etc and dont stand achance against blejs 2fg savages abd PE`s zerg :/

I just felt my intell1genz3 dr0p wh1l3 r34d1ng t|-|4t.

0h d34r g0d, 1t m4d3 m3 st4rt t4lk1ng 1337.

 

[Maleg_Grumpton]

Originally posted by [PDC]Alexie
hest u nub fo back to hib/exc , yall know u gotta be _uber_ l337 rvr0rer to join llaw arian , VGN etc on excal, just cos u rake in 5mil rps a week doesnt mean hib/pryd are noob, hteres farless hibs on prdy than there is exc, u _always_ run in 1fg + more , most hib pryd grps unless fixed leave with 3 wardens 1 lvl 40bard etc and dont stand achance against blejs 2fg savages abd PE`s zerg :/

Well we all know Hib/Pryd has a bit of a population problem but seems some of our members have caught a wierd strain of computer virus. OMG somebody put him out of his misery quick, you never know it might be infections and the whole realm might be taken down with it. BTW I think it's n00b not noob you n00b (weeee flame thread).

PS you'd stand a much better chance of getting your point across if you took time to structure your replay (I know English might not be you're native language etc and my spelling sucks - but make an effort please)