To: Archers

[old.Paranoid]

IMO...

The sooner you get nerfed the better!! Bring on the patch!!



Paranoid

 

[old.Flix]

Fool

why ?? do you die alot ? , i know i got you 2 times tonight

P.s you only give me 250 rp so i don't even like to kill you anymore


Flix Ranger 46

Rank 4


uke:

 

[old.Paranoid]

heh, i have 21,000 RPs at lvl 40... i dont think thats to bad...

Yes you bastard.. you killed me twice.. stop it.. or.. ill do something... ah, ill just wait till you get nerfed... argh...i hate them all... stop killing me...


But seriously you are kinda GOD LIKE in RvR... no way you can reach at archer at all, or get away... its just stupid...

Funny thing is i think you actually think you will insult me by saying im only worth 250 RPs, lol, i actually think thats quite good, i have solod oranges for less...

 

[Spamb0t]

hmm.. a minstrel saying rangers r godlike.. blah...

 

[Release]

ever heard on engage? (assuming you use shield), moment they shoot, /face - engage - run at them - watch them run like hell - they leave you alone for a while now

 

[Karam_gruul]

is it just me or do archers never travel alone lol. every time i get killed by archers there seems to be more than 2 of them.. if there was just one i'd own um engage makes u invulnerable. but dont work when u got 3 shooting u.

i mean tonight eleasias (not sure how to spell it) was there, he shoots me and misses first hit, i get shield whack on engage, he tries to shoot me a few more times i block it, then when i get near he runs and stealths lol.. then, i start getting shot by a yellow lurikeen, so i do the same thing, then eleasias shoots me, then a blue lurikeen comes out and backstabs me lol. takes 3 of ya to kill me now does it?

 

[Eleasias]

Ït was a well planned assassination of the public forum troll actually, too bad I missed the crit shot but Snow was there like (s)he was supposed to be ^^ And btw Paranoid, unstealthed rogue class is just waiting to be shot, and if you actually lost to an even con archer in melee, you either suck or he got very very lucky :/

 

[old.Cadwyr]

Scouts/Rangers aren't gonna shoot tanks unless they have backup. That would be kind of stupid. Alb scouts always have an Inflitrator/minstrel/second scout close by to help. I don't think Suka leaves ur pk without a buddy for backup. Humm 2-1 to Suka atm. But as u found out, no way can a tank take on 3 stealthers

 

[Eleasias]

Can you take on 3 armsmen? Yeah, you can hit them a few times and die... can you take on 3 casters? Same as archers but you're dead twice as fast.

 

[old.Organ-Grinder]

Originally posted by Release
ever heard on engage? (assuming you use shield), moment they shoot, /face - engage - run at them - watch them run like hell - they leave you alone for a while now

minstrals are not able to spec in sheild hence no engage . and if they do get engage i either didnt notice it or never lvl'd my mins high enuff for it .

 

[Antiarch]

Well Eleasias got me too many times NERF ELEASIAS!! the rest leave the same they didnt kill me that many times ;P

Seriously, i think a minstrel with a bit of luck may be able to escape 1 ranger if no one interferes..like /face sprint stun mezz heal song for ten sec .. speed song go away( or if u have enough life remaining U may try to melee him, but with stun and mezz gone he'll most likely go away)

I never got to kill an even con ranger with that tactics before, he usually kils me in 2-3 shots


But if i am constitution buffed, now thats a different story...aint that right Jazhara?

 

[Eleasias]

You *should* be able to kill an even con ranger if you get a jump on him, obviously the case is different if the ranger gets to use his main attack (bow for the simple minded) on you

 

[Antiarch]

Of course, if minstrel gets to jump on an even con ranger or even orange con, there shouldnt be ANY WAY that ranger could win or even get away
All i said above (in my 1sty post) was meant for 'ranger attacks first' event ;p

 

[Blue Ix]

Actually - if the ranger would resist the mez, and perhaps even the stun.. If he would get in an evade or two and stun the minstrel, then maybe, just maybe, the ranger could win. ;p~

Originally posted by Antiarch
Of course, if minstrel gets to jump on an even con ranger or even orange con, there shouldnt be ANY WAY that ranger could win or even get away
All i said above (in my 1sty post) was meant for 'ranger attacks first' event ;p

 

[old.Organ-Grinder]

imo i dont think future patches nerf snipers/minstrals because only reason why everybody is saying they been nerfed is because assasin classes get the realm ability "see hidden" its noit as if snipers hunt for assasins anyway due to the assasins stealth being better , unless im wrong non of the other classes except for assasins can get see hidden . and with all the complaints being sent in to mythic compaining it possible for a lvl 5 assasins to leech rps from high lvls so he has enuff to buy see hidden and thus enabling him to spot a lvl 50 sniper with lvl 50 stealth is silly and im sure mythic will change it so its more lvl related cos for a lvl 5 assasin to be able to spot a lvl 50 sniper from a large istance is stupid . but non of the other chars will spot u .. and i sure in later patches there will be a lot less assasins due to them being stopped from the 1 hit kills .hence a lot of foks wont bother making them .

 

[Armolas]

The only archer nerf i want to see is removal of the bugged LOS, which means they can shoot me even while I am sitting in the middle of a keep.

I can't blame them for it really, what are they going to do, un-nock the arrow as they can't see me any more? Even if they could tell with the lag that goes on. It's just annoying that they can do that, and I can't cast at people whom I can clearly see when I am attacking (fixed in the next patch I believe).

 

[old.Nol]

so 20k rp's ate lvl 30 for a bard is quite wicked then ;p

 

[old.Rahvinn]

People who say
'uhh Nerf the rangers, they are too strong!!'
They have never played a Ranger, or archer, they are quite hard to play.
At 36 most are gray - red, a fair few purps now and then and thats it. If i stand still and hit the first blue I see he'll run before hes on half and get help and next thing i know i got a minstral or scald after me, mezzed and dead.....w00t

It is hard to get a good spot to kill someone if there are others around, and then get away. If a purp heads in your dir and you want to get away at 1/3 speed while stealthed, you got no hope. You can cahnce dropping your stealth but then you gotta find a new spot to shoot from.

People who say archers are too strong are generally tanks, if i shoot a blue alb in full plate most my arrows will do very little dam and I can not always kill them if they chose to charge me.
Archers are caster killers, if i hit a red/purp caster with a crit shot they will be down between 40 - 60% easily, more if they are sitting.

Maybe tanks should be nerfed instead of supporting GAO with steroetypical remarks about snipers

 

[old.TheAussie]

Originally posted by Paranoid
IMO...

The sooner you get nerfed the better!! Bring on the patch!!



Paranoid

whine whine whine mister easy lvl'ing, powersong on afk for 2 hours, oh i lvl'd again

 

[old.Halfmad]

Originally posted by Organ-Grinder
imo i dont think future patches nerf snipers/minstrals because only reason why everybody is saying they been nerfed is because assasin classes get the realm ability "see hidden" its noit as if snipers hunt for assasins anyway due to the assasins stealth being better , unless im wrong non of the other classes except for assasins can get see hidden . and with all the complaints being sent in to mythic compaining it possible for a lvl 5 assasins to leech rps from high lvls so he has enuff to buy see hidden and thus enabling him to spot a lvl 50 sniper with lvl 50 stealth is silly and im sure mythic will change it so its more lvl related cos for a lvl 5 assasin to be able to spot a lvl 50 sniper from a large istance is stupid . but non of the other chars will spot u .. and i sure in later patches there will be a lot less assasins due to them being stopped from the 1 hit kills .hence a lot of foks wont bother making them .

1. You have to pay for the ability, it's highly unlikely that a level 5 could get the number of RPs needed.
2. A level 5 assassin would have max stealth of about 10 (even with items) and would be BLATANTLY OBVIOUS to anyone above that level.
3. One shot kills - Assassins will simply have to spec more for envenom, not a problem in hibbie since most NIGHTSHADES(clues there somewhere) have done that anyway.
4. Archers aren't meant to hunt for assassins it's the other way around, we prey on them. We protect our casters from them. That's the way it's meant to work and why see hidden is an option.

 

[Tranquil-]

In my opinion Mythic made alot of classes do what they surely wasn't doing in medevial times..

Now to the case, see hidden is an option sure, but not as a passive skill, as it is now. :sleeping:

 

[old.Halfmad]

well it's fairly simple. up until now archers have been able to do pretty much what they wanted and if they didnt think they were going to win they'd run off.

Assassins were always meant to stop them, be thier natural hunters but weren't able to because it was so hard to locate archers before they struck and by then of course it's too late.

So mythic have made it a lot easier for assassins who decide to get that skill to find archers, no more sniping mindlessly..

archers will simply have to use the terrain more and play clever. Possibly respecing when they get the choice.


I have no sympathy for them, I played one and know that they're vastly overpowered in rvr terms.

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by Halfmad
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archers will simply have to use the terrain more and play clever.

/face

 

[tilde]

Go for zero stealth and walk along with the group, u will act like a caster but still can do something in melee too

Crazy idea? heck, sounds cool anyhow

 

[Antiarch]

Yes Tilde but with rogue hit points??? And then we will have a useless spec line? How can i spec in 2 lines an be viable?

 

[tilde]

Shield, slash, bow - highlander-scout (aka battlescout )

 

[old.Paranoid]

Re: Re: To: Archers

Originally posted by TheAussie


whine whine whine mister easy lvl'ing, powersong on afk for 2 hours, oh i lvl'd again

hmmm, except also, mezz, fight, DD, manna...

i think Aussie that swithchin between a succesfull mezz, and manna song, as well as doing my DD shouts to get aggro of casters, and then my mezz fails so i have to remezz and use my insta stun to let me do that which is on a 15 second timer... its actually a lot harder then...

point... crit... release... shoot... release... shoot... rlease, equip wepons.... 1, 2, 8,4

 

[old.Odysseus]

ohno another 'lets nerf the scouts cuz theyre uber and im enviuos although i level twice as fast'.

two words:
SOD OFF!!!

My scout is retired after 1.50 - what am i gunna use my 41 base stealth for?

 

[old.LandShark]

The life of a minstrel levelling is not as easy as some of you seem to make out. Make a minstrel, get it to lvl 35+ and you just TRY going AFK playing powersong. Besides, more than one minstrel in a group = utterly utterly useless, which can hardly be said to be true for clerics, pala/armsmen, casters etc. But sure, we have it easier than scouts.
As for 'nerf archers' well soz Para but that's BS too, they deserve to be fairly godly in RvR.
I disagree with rangers having that combat-shoutable speedbuff, but other than that i am totally disgusted at what mythic do to archers over next few patches. And then of course 1.50 comes along, and minstrels turn into gimped skalds. So fuck that, eh?
Only time anything has every needed actual NERFING in an RPG was the corpse-explosion necro build in Diablo 2....

 

[old.Arnor]

Actually - if the ranger would resist the mez, and perhaps even the stun.. If he would get in an evade or two and stun the minstrel, then maybe, just maybe, the ranger could win. ;p~

Or he could be specced good in thrusting and tear the minstrel to shreds.

(I've seen screens of hunters first critshotting orange tanks, then using burst of speed to engage them, whip out their spear and own the tank )