to all sb in mid take a look

[old.rauthian]

ok got the followuing up for auction here
thickpadded tempered leeather armour
chest fac 102 100%quality
legins fac 102 100% quality
helm fac 102 100% quality
leggins fac 102 100% quakity
sleaves fac 102 100% quality
all these with out bone efective fac 111
how ever it seams boots r buged as you cant creat fac 102 1005 yet thay looking at it so for now i offer fac 102 99% effective fac 108
once thay fix the bug on boots i will replace the 99 with 100%
can yu post her what you willing to pay this will remain open till friday this week at 20:00 gmt

 

[core_]

1:Question, why should any lvl 50 sb buy armor gear when they got the epic?

 

[Archeon]

cause with S/C you can customise the pieces so that you can have the buffs, re-procs, charges, resists, stat+'s that you want. meaning that even though you'l lose the look of the epic armour (a good thing in the case of our thane population and their kitchen aprons ) you'l have armour thats slightly better than epic and you use all the stats

E.g. Pacification is a worthless stat to have as resists are based on actual level, level of your target/targets and resists.

all pac lvl does it give you longer AE's, higher purity, etc and since +stats don't give you the spells of that level it is a worthless stat to have

<feels the shame when he realises his own pacification stat is 29+10/11 >

 

[-mamba-]

guess you've just had bad luck with the boots ruath it's possible, made a pair of 100% boots myself a couple of weeks ago.

oh btw, if someone's after some crafted leather/cloth i have a tailor in your service as well, all items going at cost + 30% which makes a bit over 600gold for a full set of af 102 leather for example.

if you want specific quality: fixed price 2.5x material cost for 98%, 3x material cost for 99% or either pay per retry basis, with normal luck with the quality generator the final cost will be pretty much the same.

due to the fact i'm not overloaded with orders (hehe), might also take masterpiece (100% qual) orders if someone is after them, no fixed price or guarantees though, pay ber retry basis. would think about cost of material loss + 30% per every retry, thus VERY rough estimate for cheapest parts (gloves, boots) being 600 gold, vest close to 3plat. all up to luck

PM me here or Raid / Sampo in-game if interested.

 

[old.rauthian]

96 boots created and no mp goa has stated that thay r buged pre patch created 4 but since patch not one.
also if you look on us site info you see the prices thay charging as sc is so close its 5x for 98% 19x for 99% and 15x for 100%
x=craft price so far i spent 1.5p creating the mp set and as mp sets have 6 more points in spellcrafting than a 99% set thay worth ever dam g

 

[old.rauthian]

raid going by what you just said your talking about 6p for a full 100% set that is pathetic it cost me 1.5p to craft 5 bits 100% and 92 trys for dam boots so to charg 6p is crazy who the hell got 6p for set
you said anything from 600g to 3p per item for set
thats 600 for boots
600 for gloves
800 for sleeves
900 for legs
and 1.2 for helm
and 3p for chest

totale about 7.1p who the hell got that to pay its crazy
all im charging is the 1.5 it cost to make +30% thats about say 2p about 250% less than you want to charge ppl








thats your prices

 

[-mamba-]

Ruath, you must have been really lucky with the set then. I said any masterpieces would be crafted in pay per retry basis, and the figures I used were just rough estimates.

Chance for masterpiece is 1 in 50 and that's what I used in my calculations. Very basic maths. Let's take the vest for example:

Materials alone for 1 vest: 162 gold
Sells back for approx 120 gold, loss per retry is thus 40gold. 50 tries would cost 50 x 40gold = 2 plat, and it's only the cost of 50 retries. You still must add the actual material cost 162, which leaves us with 2162 gold.

Each retry takes approx 2 minutes, 50 tries taking almost 2 hours. Granted, 800 gold for 2 hours work isnt something I would ask, but as I said it was very rough estimate calculated by the basic chance. Yeah, you can get MP at first try for 162 gold or it can take 150 tries - never know.

And the cheapest parts (boots, gloves):

Cost to make 1 is 32gold, loss per retry 7-8gold. Multiply this by 50, which leaves a bit less than 400gold. So total cost for the item being 430gold. And again, time spent would be 2 hours, and 170 gold for 2 hours spent starts to sound fair.

I don't know how you calculate it and if you are willing to spend a day crafting for free and spending your cash, up to you. I expect you to have a lot of customers if that's the case

 

[-mamba-]

Originally posted by old.rauthian
raid going by what you just said your talking about 6p for a full 100% set that is pathetic it cost me 1.5p to craft 5 bits 100% and 92 trys for dam boots so to charg 6p is crazy who the

by the way, you did 92 tries on the boots which is the cheapest part to craft (8gold loss per retry). vest costs 40gold to retry, diffrence being 32gold.. if you had the bad luck on vest instead of boots, you would have spent 92 x 32gold = 2944 gold more.

ok, not exactly correct as you prolly didnt get the vest on 1st try and thus spent maybe a couple of hundred gold on it but still... 1.5plat for a masterpiece set is VERY optimistic and i'd say against the odds.

 

[old.rauthian]

your right i got it the 7th try but even with 92 trys on boots im only 1.5p down on then 13p i started with so to say it will cost 7p for a full set is pathetic and i for one will never charg those prices and no one has that kinda gold in all took me 26 crafts to get the 5 bits of 100% costing me 1p 500 p on the boots craft.
if you want to rob your realm m8s with crazy prices go ahead but i for one crafted to help my realm m8s not rip em of with stupid prices .
as long as i get someing back for my work i dont care tats why the set is for sale at 2p thats crat and recreft price +30% for myself.
nextset i may get ;lucky and it only cost me 1p to make the ill sell it for 1.3 or if may take me 2p then i sell it for 2.6 but ill be damed if ill charge 7p for a set of armoure.
also secound set now has 4 bits at a cost of only 800g so far if ppl r daft enought to pay your prices then good luck to you but dont expect me to sell and ripe ppl off like that

 

[amphetamine]

rauthian can i order a 100% cloth af51 suit pls, i have spoke to you before about it but have been unable to contact you in game.

 

[-mamba-]

funny how almost every thread here ends up to a kind of flame thread

first, i don't have a full set which i am trying to sell for 7.1plat, the prices i mentioned were examples about what it MIGHT cost IF someone ordered them (based on the fact that masterpiece chance is 1 in 50, stated on various US boards).

if i had as good luck as you, it would cost as much to the customer also since we were both talking about 30% profit.

second, i doubt anyone can make himself rich by crafting, farming diamond seals and trinketing is so easy income atm. i'm definitely not trying to rob anyone, and if someone asks me to make something it seems to be best to point them to you since you seem to be able to craft items sooo much cheaper

so you got 5 pieces of 100% quality with just 26 tries? uh oh, all i can say is big grats. of course it's possible etc, but i'd NEVER count on such luck unless mythic changes the chance. if you do expect to constantly be able to get them so easily, well good luck .. i guess there'll be a lot of happy leather/cloth users in our realm



and yes, for anyone considering to buy crafted leather/cloth, i highly recommend contacting ruathian since i really doubt anyone else can provide them as cheap (at least i can't).

 

[old.rauthian]

yes examples of how you intend to rip of your own realm by chargin prices as you said there examples of hat you will charg 7+p for armour is you just being gready thats it plain and simple your intent on charging us prices for armour but ill tell you this you chargegood luck in selling em as long as i get my money back i dont care what i charg
and as for those maths for recrafting remeber selling back materials in all it cost me about 1.8p + or - a few hundred g

 

[-mamba-]

you think there's no competition in US ? I've been reading for example vnboards pretty regularly recently, the usual prices mentioned there (3x materials for 99%, 15x materials for 100%) actually are really close to the expected cost when calculated by the probabilities. Can be verified with very simple math There's 1 in 6 chance for every quality 94-99, and by average we can expect to get an 99% with 6 attempts. Take the helm as an example:

Materials cost 96 gold, loss per retry is 24 gold, thus 5 retries = 120 gold. Total price 120 + basic material cost 96 = 216. 30% profit added, 216 x 1.3 = 280 gold.
Material cost x 3 = 96 x 3 = 288 gold. Not that far.

Of course, if you're doing 100% sets regularly, you will get loads of 99%s on the process and thus can sell them way cheaper, which I would do as well. I just don't have the cash to pre-craft masterpiece sets and this option is out of question to me.

And none has to buy from me, it's perfectly fine, even if I was charging twice the prices I suggested I would still be getting gold way faster in DF.

Anyways, enough about this subject to me, no more stupid calculations etc - just wanted to prove some facts instead of flaming like you seem to only do. As a conclusion I just can say I can't compete with your prices without losing my own gold, and won't be selling anything to anyone without first telling them to contact you and ask for a cheaper option.

 

[AbPoon]

Well if a single weapon 100% qual can quite easy get sold for 2.5 plat then i dont see why 7 plat for a full set of amour is an unreal amount.

Also dont bother arguing with rauth he'll always be "right"

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by AbPoon
Well if a single weapon 100% qual can quite easy get sold for 2.5 plat then i dont see why 7 plat for a full set of amour is an unreal amount.

Also dont bother arguing with rauth he'll always be "right"

or atleast will argue his point untill you give up and go home

 

[horsma]

Originally posted by Archeon


or atleast will argue his point untill you give up and go home

Let little kid play. Quite funny thou, even Raid explained his prices (and i trust more him than that big mouth mofo) Rauthian still continue and cant admit his wrong.

 

[Garnet]

Personally i think anyone who gloats about their crafting on these boards are stupid and should keep it in the trading section.

 

[old.rauthian]

so let me get this right your hapy to pay upto 7 p for something that if goa is right will cost a max3.5p to craft on average who the fools then the dops who pay 7 p or the person selling same ting at a reasonable price and does not wish to rip of his realm k fine if you want to pay and are happy to pay 7p for armour sets when you can get them for about 1/3 the prince the so be it all i can say is mugs

 

[old.Cruel Heart]

www.dictionary.com

 

[oklahoma]

lol @ Ruathian

 

[old.Krusha]

/em eats an aspirin

/em point at the punctuation mark -->.

 

[old.rauthian]

well it sems ppl want to py stupid prices for armour prices i will noy charg so i have just given the mp full set leather awa to a lvl 50 sb i found in upplands hop he has fun with it when we get sc as the rest of you will end up spending stupid amouts of p for something you could have had cheap now

 

[osy]

He still types like a lvl 5 toon.

(remembers Ruathian getting flamed over it in the past)

 

[old.rauthian]

its called dyslexia but then again dont supose someone like you nos what that means.
anyway 2 full sets of fac 102 100% sold for 1.5p that is the price i have set not the poxy 7p per set that some crafter want to charg o and may i add to the crafter who tryed to get my acc baned by goe for so called bug abuse and demended that thay strip me of my crafting lvls i wounder why you did that maybe caus i want to charg a fair price for items and not your rip off prices.
today i crafted a secound 102 fac 100% leather started with 2p i got full set but for boots with 1.5p psent i also got 1full set 99 and 1 full 98% adding the prices up that comes to about 2.5p for an out lay of 1.5p not the 4-5p some say it cost

 

[-mamba-]

I wasn't going to reply to this anymore but..

i'm not selling a set for 7plat since i do not have one. guess that was made clear already though. the price was only an approximation what it COULD cost. and still, if someone gave me 7plat and told to make a masterpiece set i would refuse take the order since there would STILL be risk to lose a few platinums if i got as unlucky as i usually am.

as example, last night i spent 500 gold on af 102 leather pieces (sleeves and leggins) and came up with only 1 99% sleeves, no masterpieces nor even 99% leggings.

and if you're flaming me for reporting you about somethiing, FYI i have not reported anyone to goa for any reason, ever.

 

[oklahoma]

lol@ ruathian again

 

[Xandax]

Originally posted by -mamba-
<snip>
i'm not selling a set for 7plat since i do not have one. guess that was made clear already though. the price was only an approximation what it COULD cost. and still, if someone gave me 7plat and told to make a masterpiece set i would refuse take the order since there would STILL be risk to lose a few platinums if i got as unlucky as i usually am.
<snip>

Don't worry - think most (maybe not all, but most ) people know that if they read this thread

 

[Runolaz]

Hmm...I think it's low to "flame" Ruathian for his spelling, read it and have fun or what ever, but please keep it to yourself...you know he has dyslexia and easy to tease.

Btw, if it wasn't for our own crafter in FoM I would have bougth from Ruathian any day .

 

[noaim]

I really must say I cant understand what the flaming is about.

He (Ruathian) crafted a set of armor for an SB, and wants to sell it cheap...and for that he gets flamed.

What is the problem, really?

And what does his spelling have to do with this thread?

 

[horsma]

Originally posted by noaim
I really must say I cant understand what the flaming is about.

Read from start, Ruathian was the one who started to flame in fist place blaming Raids prices.

He (Ruathian) crafted a set of armor for an SB, and wants to sell it cheap...and for that he gets flamed.

What is the problem, really?

Well... he based his prices only for pure luck. And hes way too stupid to understand that.