To all infiltrators!

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jox

Guest
How many of you are swordbased? Sst/Remi are you 2 swordbased? coz you hit me quite hard.

And if you are, how the heck can you stun me from time to time(no cd or bs involved)?

Kindest regards

Jox
 
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old.Kiarra

Guest
Yep! We are all sword based and use 2 of em :)

If we have specced 50 into thrust then we can use the Dragonfang style that is a stun when we evade. It works well :D
 
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Zill

Guest
It's the lvl 50 Thrust style Dragonfang. All they have to do is evade during combat and you're stunned for 9 seconds. I doubt there are many Infs out there that have spec'd in slash.
 
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Pin

Guest
Not many are Slash-specced.

I think you'll find that they're hitting hard because they are better buffed.
 
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katt!

Guest
and they have a spec af buff which goes above af cap :|
 
A

Aussie-

Guest
sst has MoP 5 , 50thrust , 50 DW and a lvl 50 Enh bot. :)
 
C

Cowled

Guest
Originally posted by old.Kiarra
Yep! We are all sword based and use 2 of em :)

If we have specced 50 into thrust then we can use the Dragonfang style that is a stun when we evade. It works well :D
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*cough* nerf soon enough *cough*
 
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old.Sanar

Guest
It's the 50 dw style that kinda many have thats hitting u that hard. That almost anytime style with combination of dragonfang is damn nice. Oh yeah and don't forget high MoP :cool:
 
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dexa

Guest
Cant understand why infs got 9 sec stun and ns 4 sec dono
what sb have but dont think they got any past 4 sec..
Nice that they also gave u 2.5 so its easy to specc 50 :)
 
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katt!

Guest
Originally posted by dexa
Cant understand why infs got 9 sec stun and ns 4 sec dono
what sb have but dont think they got any past 4 sec..
Nice that they also gave u 2.5 so its easy to specc 50 :)
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comeback -> frosty gaze (5sec or so).
 
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Noche

Guest
Eh... they hit damn hard coz maybe they use buff bot? :p

Doing 200-300 (SZ dmg) on me unbuffed (aka no baseline af buff) with 1 h and hit as fast as me, and when die drops 6 buffs, that´s called ubah infil :p

When a stealther hit more than 110+ on offhand several times, u really won´t think they r unbuffed.
 
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Noche

Guest
7 sec? Well that´s even with NSs stun IMO due to be second hit in a chain.

Do I need to post DF´s duration? :p
 
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Pin

Guest
Originally posted by Noche
7 sec? Well that´s even with NSs stun IMO due to be second hit in a chain.

Do I need to post DF´s duration? :p
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Sure. Dragonfang is 9 seconds.
http://www.camelotherald.com/styles/style.php?s=252

And? Been argued about many many times before. Level 50 style. Must spec to 50 in a line to get it.

Nightshades get theirs at 25 spec. Shadowblades at 39.

Can't compare a style just on the stun duration when clearly a level 50 style is supposed to be more powerful.

Also add that Frosty Gaze does higher damage than Dragonfang, and doesn't have a defensive penalty with it.

And Diamondback has a defensive bonus and has 2 styles to chain afterwards with higher damage. But sure.... just compare a level 25 and 39 styles with a level 50 style purely on the stun duration :rolleyes:
 
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old.m0000

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Originally posted by dexa
Cant understand why infs got 9 sec stun and ns 4 sec dono
what sb have but dont think they got any past 4 sec..
Nice that they also gave u 2.5 so its easy to specc 50 :)
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Kinda like i duno how every realm except alb has insta ae mez, and how hib mages have 9 sec base stun when alb and mids have root (woot). Or how hib have the best tank when they're meant to be the "magic" realm. Or how healers have insta ae mez and insta ae stun and castable ae stun (11 sec) when clerics have a single casting stun with no insta and no quickcast.

Pointless comparing classes, they're all different and <meant> to meld together in rvr to be balanced.

so ns might have a shit stun but all hibs casters have 9 sec stun when no other realms casters do.



ps: nerf overpoweredtofuck chanters and the skillless gimps who "play" them.
 
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Pin

Guest
Originally posted by old.Sanar
It's the 50 dw style that kinda many have thats hitting u that hard. That almost anytime style with combination of dragonfang is damn nice. Oh yeah and don't forget high MoP :cool:
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Actually, the damage from Dual Shadows is not very high at all - roughly the same as Dragonfang and it carries a medium defensive penalty.

Pin, specced to 44 + 14CS hits 30% harder with Hamstring, 35% harder with Leaper and 30% harder with Rib Separation than Dual Shadows when specced 50 + 12DW.


Personally, I'd much rather use a style with a defensive bonus until I evade than use a front positional with a defensive penalty.
 
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Pin

Guest
And if you're arguing that a 9 second stun shouldn't be on a style that is as easy to pull off as Dragonfang (only need to evade and not be evaded/blocked/parried/miss/bladeturned), then I'd point to others and say they were even easier....

Annihilation - 9 Second Stun, rear positional (therefore can't even be parried/blocked/evaded), and carries a Very High Bonus to hit
http://www.camelotherald.com/styles/style.php?s=137
 
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old.LandShark

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How about 'doublefrost' and 'any style you like + 50dmg instaDDs for no spec at all' vs dragonfang?
How many infs would swap LA mechanics + comeback->frosty for DW and dragonfang?
I'm betting lots :p
 
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Noche

Guest
How many infils will trade their stuff for an ubah shout and an ubah dd? :(

And ofc <cough> 2.5 spec points <cough> I used char builder, using EXACTLY SAME SPEC but me 39 pierce and infil 50 thrust and they have instead of 20 CD, 18 DW! Show me where´s the "sacrifice"! Infils got 3706 spec points and NS 3253 both w/o autotrain.

And for the god sake realm balance crap, so I play a gimped char but well my realm´s good wtf is that crap? Then nerf mids zerkers and SZs with LA, we all know that well played grp mids > hibs >>>> albs.
 
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Noche

Guest
Remember DF´s HIGH bonus to hit, LOW end usage, Medium bonus dmg and only low penalty to defense (who cares if u got that u win).
 
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skile

Guest
Originally posted by Noche
Eh... they hit damn hard coz maybe they use buff bot? :p

Doing 200-300 (SZ dmg) on me unbuffed (aka no baseline af buff) with 1 h and hit as fast as me, and when die drops 6 buffs, that´s called ubah infil :p

When a stealther hit more than 110+ on offhand several times, u really won´t think they r unbuffed.
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I'm mostly unbuffed. And hit for more than 110+. with no styles, but I just bought a jambiya so i hit v.fast but for less per hit.

Hunters are mad melee I reckon. That spear REALLY hurts.
 
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old.Krusha

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The grass is always greener on the other side of the mg ....

Any infi would trade DW/thrust for LA

and name one good thrust style besides Dragonfang?

If the CS style delivered what it was ment to do im pretty sure every infi would go that way instead ...

What if the target has purge up? (like every SB in us has bought high mop and purge for the points they got back from fa/ip) or if the DF gets evaded back? a SB can hand an equal con infi his ass in 3-4 swings (take a look on the SB posting on VNboards.. most state 3-4 swings) and with the upcoming end buff from shamans... can you spell more frostys?

I have the privilege of tried a 50SZ and a 50 infi (with DF ofc ;))

And the sb is so much more powerful ...
 
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froler-mid

Guest
Originally posted by jox
How many of you are swordbased? Sst/Remi are you 2 swordbased? coz you hit me quite hard.

And if you are, how the heck can you stun me from time to time(no cd or bs involved)?

Kindest regards

Jox
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i hit like a truck when buffed yes. :m00: :m00:

and the stun is the 'overpowered' Dragonfang stun(9s) which comes off an evade.

My playing style is much 'surrounded' by the Dragonfang style.
If i dont get that style off im screwed in most cases ^^


Remi
 
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old.Sanar

Guest
I have been playing friends 50 dw infil a lot lately and I havent found getting evade for df any hard when using dual shadows. Feels like its better to use dual shadows and wait for that evade than tranquilize+wywernfang. On top of the damage, DS doesnt take much endurance at all.

I recall reading from some VN board that someone was testing defensive penalties and found out that they only affect how much you take damage, not chance to evade, parry, block. Dunno if thats true then cause theres many posts saying the exact opposite.
 
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katt!

Guest
its been shown that defense bonus/penalty affect miss/block/parry ratio, but evade was not afaik.
 
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belth

Guest
Originally posted by kedal
its been shown that defense bonus/penalty affect miss/block/parry ratio, but evade was not afaik.
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Defensive penalty/bonus affects evade. Here's an example of me at lvl49 giving Korv some major Hamstring goodness:
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Poor SB even used IP :rolleyes:

I also had 48% evade rate at 49 against low to high yellow and low orange mobs, when doing Tranquilize/Wyvernfang. No Dodger, Aug Qui or buffs :p
 
H

Haldar

Guest
Pin and all.

just fyi

stun length on Frosty Gaze is 6 seconds, not 7. tested it some time ago.

mythic are wrong....again...

dunno about Diamondback tho.
 
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Vasconcelos

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Originally posted by froler-mid




i hit like a truck when buffed yes. :m00: :m00:

and the stun is the 'overpowered' Dragonfang stun(9s) which comes off an evade.

My playing style is much 'surrounded' by the Dragonfang style.
If i dont get that style off im screwed in most cases ^^


Remi
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Agreed, if i cannot land DF at time i use to die vs. sbs. So basically i spam High defense bonus DW style n pray for an evade.
 
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