Time to put this stuff down

MKJ

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I gotta stop playing sbs in BG1 because for some reason i always go mental when i do. Happened with Honed and now i can see it occuring again. But i want to put down the stuff i have learned to help up and coming sbs. Stuff that i have never seen posted elsewhere.

How do it know stuff about sbs?

I have a level 50 full crit SB - Certifiable and a level 50 full la SB - MKJ. PKJ is a culmination of them both with something from playing a caster as well.

Lets consider an SB in BG1. We can ignore who or wot they are with regard to race etc for now. I shall put down 3 attack methods. Beginner - Advanced. Then i gonna show you PKJ's attack methods.

Beginner - someone new to the game and more or less trying out an SB. Crit of 21 for perf. We can ignore the rest of the stats for now. Decides to go 2 handed because lets face it everyone wants to kill a caster in one hit. Ok - the attack:

The Attack: creeps up and perfs with the 2 hander and then just stands there. Nice damage from first hit and could well have killed the target but now is extremely vulnerable for upto 6 secs. After the nasty delay he will garote again. Nothing else. No moving and no weapon swapping just a garote every 6 secs or so.

Advanced - someone been playing sb for quite some time and learned a few things - such as weapon swapping.

The Attack - perfs with the 2 hander and then swaps to 2 weapons to melee. 3 poisons brought into play and has the option of swapping back to the 2 hander should he or she want to. Will also be able to run through and use stick to try and confuse the enemy.

PKJ's attack now.

First of all spec - 25 stealth (should have only been 24 but made a mistake) - 25 axe, 25 poison and 8 la (higher if not made stealth mistake).

Attack - pillager with 2 weapons - lethal 25 on one - 22 str/con debuff on other. Swaps to the 2 handed njessi axe (speed of 4.3) for plunderer follow up (very high damage because you are now hitting for your full amount and no la effect - also it is a follow up to pillager and hits hard). Swapping during the combo utilizes the la haste effect so the 2 hits are extremely close together. Run through and turns using FACE and not STICK. Use stick after using face.

Using FACE and not STICK causes me to turn instantly and not swing around fairly slowly. I can infact hit the keyboard for the plunderer follow up and run through to turn using face and will hit from behind as the opponent appears in my vision again. FACE is that fast.

Should the opponent never use stick well he is now dead meat because i will more or less kill him from behind in the time he takes to swing around. After using the 2 handed follow up i have now swapped back to the 2 weapons for the pillager hit and then to swap back again to the Njessi for the plunderer. I do this all the time.

Should the opponent be experienced and is very dangerous and also uses stick then you really have a fight on your hands and it is all down to damage. But i have a few more tricks to cause my damage to excalate.

Weapon swapping and poison.

A slash inf is all about debuff and damage. He first of all takes your str away and then annihilates you with high damage. How do you fight back? Well do back to him as he has done to you but do it faster. Ok how to excalate damage:

Weapon swapping. Keep a bag of ready poison weapons. If i engage someone like Catrine - nasty slash inf - then i watch damage. Should my debuff fail then i go mental with weapon swapping. I know she uses stick so running through is not gonna be effective, though i will throw one or 2 in to confuse. Only thing now is to out damage her. How? Well for one thing i know that even if my str has dropped i am still gonna hurt badly using the Njessi so the plunderer follow up is still useable. But the 2 weapon hits are now rubbish and need boosting. Eh? Each time i use pillager i have a fresh 3.1 speed poison weapon in my main hand. I swap after every 2 handed plunderer. Pillager - swap to 2 handed plunderer - swap a fresh weapon from bag to main hand and hit with pillager and so on. I use the fresh pulse of the poison to boost the mainhand damage. Instead of hitting for 40 mainhand i am now hitting for 80 along with 15-25 offhand for a total of 100 for pillager and probably the same for plunderer. Nothing can stand up to that really. Even if she evades the poison still ticks away. Should you kill the opponent only to be attacked by another then swap to a fresh poison weapon and fight again.

Potions. These are ofcourse life savers so get used to using them. You can use them during the fight or when running away.

The above take a hell offa lot of practise but can be done. Being able to do them all at the same time gives you options. You have infact about 3-4 damage gears that you can use. Should a fight that is going well suddenly turn sour you can alter your fighting tactics to suit. This makes playing an SB a very rewarding experience. But if you are just gonna stand there infront of you opponent and think you are going to outdamage someone like Catrine then you are gonna lose all the time.

Hopefully i have given you a few tips.

PKJ
 

aika

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I'm not nasty, I'm just buffed :) thanks for mentioning me though, btw play some more on bg1, was kinda boring today :\
I'm using a slow sword as mainhand and with high qui and dex/qui buff it hits for lots and pretty fast
Also you forgot to mention resists, I saw some sb's without slash resist today, they got hit for around 140 with an anytimer, so get resists if you wanna survive!
 

MKJ

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Already mentioned about 50 combat

Already mentioned about level 50 combat m8. I sucked there for sure. Went out about 5-6x with hopeless gear on with hardly any resists and got annihilated. My sbs were not designed for level 50 combat as they need to be retrained. They are Full crit and axe and Full la and axe with hardly any poison. This was so i could just train up without poison. They were also created to see the effects of both types. For me to take them out into level 50 combat i would have to retrain them at the cost of at least 5p and to get new gear with all the resists etc. Couldn't be arsed.

Thid is where i have tried out combat moves and techniques for close to 3 years. Only recently have i created 2 level 50 sbs to analyse the damage they do. Was never really my intention to take part in level 50 combat and after going out a few times i can see why.

If you think posting this is gonna make my knowledge of Thid sbs defective or not worth knowing then you are very wrong.

Another thing i have found is that the people that find some way to belittle anyone usually have had their alt owned. Now then? Who is your alt in Thid Mudguts? Sounds and looks to me like PKJ has kicked it's head in and you are pissed off. Right eh?

PKJ
 

Lyne

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That some nice info MKJ, I play a Hib but like to dabble in other realms occasionally and it sounds like a SB may be quite enjoyable to try. I particullarly like the way that there are a lot of questable level 24 items available :)
 

MKJ

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Mudguts

Ah - Synthia.

Right youse lot. Last time we met one on one was on MB. She passed me and i attacked her. Killed her using the tactics above. She was fully buffed.

Now then the next time i met her is even more interesting.

I saw 3 luris attacking someone close to mb so i knew they would appear there at some time. I waited at ck side and yup one attacked a mid right in the middle of the bridge. I attacked the luri and the other 2 were right close by. Not sure if they were stunned or just afraid to attack. Killed the luri quickly and turned on number 2. She didn't react well to me ending up on her back and i killed her also. I stopped popped a health potion and put a fresh poison weapon in my hand and turned on Synthia who was damaged but had started to hit me - killed her. I got the death spam message for all 3 luris. Why? Cos of the stuff i did is why and no other reason. Fair enough i don't think they were all heavily buffed this time but even so my techniques all worked a treat.

PKJ
 

mudguts

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MKJ said:
Another thing i have found is that the people that find some way to belittle anyone usually have had their alt owned. Now then? Who is your alt in Thid Mudguts? Sounds and looks to me like PKJ has kicked it's head in and you are pissed off. Right eh?

dont have one atm, your funny threads were brought to my attention by irl friends who play thid and read these forums.

MKJ said:
How do it know stuff about sbs?

I have a level 50 full crit SB - Certifiable and a level 50 full la SB - MKJ. PKJ is a culmination of them both with something from playing a caster as well.

you use these level 50 sb's as credentials for your knowledge of sb's, hence my previous post.
 

Iodine

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MKJ said:
I saw 3 luris attacking someone close to mb so i knew they would appear there at some time. I waited at ck side and yup one attacked a mid right in the middle of the bridge. I attacked the luri and the other 2 were right close by. Not sure if they were stunned or just afraid to attack. Killed the luri quickly and turned on number 2. She didn't react well to me ending up on her back and i killed her also. I stopped popped a health potion and put a fresh poison weapon in my hand and turned on Synthia who was damaged but had started to hit me - killed her. I got the death spam message for all 3 luris. Why? Cos of the stuff i did is why and no other reason. Fair enough i don't think they were all heavily buffed this time but even so my techniques all worked a treat.

PKJ

I don't think you relise how much diffrence buffs make, i find that buffed stealthers can take far more damage than a non-buffed tank. Also you may think yourself handycapped at being a valkyn, but luri's and elves have it much worse, throw in the fact that at thid level NS's are at the bottom of the pack with assasins unique abilities (2-handed weps/2.5 spec points vs an insta nuke that hits for 20dmg) and seeing how you seem to be twinked to the teeth, and ither backstabed or PA'd one of them, then you would of been likely to win without those tactics.

And since all you need to beat these amazing things is /stick, i find your 'talents' to be more to do with how much money you spend on your BG toon than skill.
 

MKJ

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Missing the point

No way would i have been able to do the above without putting all the stuff i mentioned into practise and to survive. The tactics do work. Yes i am buffed - yes i have good gear on with full resists on slash/thrust and crush - but no-one can use the fact that they are not in a similar way anymore. When i played Honed i was probably one of the first buffed SBs ever to hit thid. Infact probably one of the first stealthers to be buffed in Thid period. I created Honed because of the sheer number of infs that were in the game at that time. I couldn't get my caster out of MPK more often than not because of them. Now Honed was buffed and the rest were not and he walked through 2 infs at a time regularly. That was way over a year ago. More like 2. Now nearly everyone is buffed and needs to be. You can't hang that over my head anymore because PKJ actually hunts buffed stealthers - including high poison slash infs and thrust infs - and wins.

Anyways I don't suppose PKJ will show for a while in Thid cos i find it too intense and i burn out or get too agitated playing him after a while.

Not sure why i want to boast i suppose about winning. I think that i look at the game as a full hog competition. I mean to create something such as PKJ out of a very badly handicapped choice of Alt (sb) and then to actually beat the deadly enemy - the high poison slash inf - has been my goal since i started playing an SB really. It has taken a great deal of time and effort to work it out and to put it into practise so i suppose i want people to know or wot the hell have i been doing with my time? After playing the game for close to 3 years i kill a few infs and go merrily on my way? I think that would have been bad for me. I feel better for talking about the game so that is the main thing. I think i will be able to leave the game entirely very soon whereas if i kept everything bottled up inside then i don't think i could.

I have wanted to leave this game permanently for ages but have kept coming back. Even destroying all cds and backups only to end up getting new files sent to me over the internet once more. I hope to hell the next time is final so am trying and doing the things that might help me achieve it.

Personally i like to see people posting their exploits as it shows interest. Freddysworld can become a very boring place to be honest. When Honed went mad here Barrysworld was buzzing and everyone had a great time.

PKJ
 

MKJ

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Iodet

Oh and Iodet - read the posting fully. I do not use crit attacks at all. Just axe - poison and stealth.

PKJ
 

Gaddry

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I AGREES with iodine!!!!!!!

give me a buffed/SCed character any day :p
 

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